Breaking: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

Because this is a conspiracy site and all...

What IF....they did follow protocol and the pilot swapped out with a steward.
What IF the steward or the co pilot incapacitated the other and just let the flight take its course.
Its possible that the course was changed during the action.
I think it would be easier to infiltrate the stewards vs the pilots imho.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

The question is WHY was there no verbal response whatsoever to the pilot trying to get in to the cockpit recorded?
No "Allahu Akbar"...No " Sorry Hans, I can't let you in". No "Goodbye Cruel World"...

I feel it should be a requirement from now on that the cockpit contain a video camera and record everything that happens. The video can be stored on the black box along with the audio recordings. It would certainly help solve a case like this and also encourage pilots to follow proper protocol if they know their employers can watch what they're doing.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

The question is WHY was there no verbal response whatsoever to the pilot trying to get in to the cockpit recorded?
No "Allahu Akbar"...No " Sorry Hans, I can't let you in". No "Goodbye Cruel World"...

There could be and this is why they're not killing the story and they may go on lock down mode.

a reply to: Nicodeme

I think we need some sort of a better CVR and FDR to be fitted to all airliners. Something that feeds the data back live to the ground rather than being carried on the plane, or even as well as the ones already fitted.

originally posted by: Nicodeme
I feel it should be a requirement from now on that the cockpit contain a video camera and record everything that happens. The video can be stored on the black box along with the audio recordings. It would certainly help solve a case like this and also encourage pilots to follow proper protocol if they know their employers can watch what they're doing.

Best idea I heard yet. Wonder if some do? One thing to hear what's going on. Another to see and hear. Paints a whole new picture!

a reply to: biggilo

I agree. If they can have in-flight wifi, I'm sure they can have some sort of ability to send the signal to the ground at all times.

originally posted by: biggilo
a reply to: Nicodeme

I think we need some sort of a better CVR and FDR to be fitted to all airliners. Something that feeds the data back live to the ground rather than being carried on the plane, or even as well as the ones already fitted.

Another good idea.. it would also create jobs. Live monitoring agent.

Not that ATC isn't live monitoring. We could use folks to ensure retrieving cockpit data. So ATC can direct the traffic.

Another long-shot scenario:
Pilot kills co-pilot...leaves cockpit...announces to passengers that the plane will crash into a mountain...passengers overcome pilot...try to break into cockpit.

Ok.So the pilot in the cockpit suddenly became incompacitated during the few minuits the other pilot was out of the cockpit?And a sudden catastrophic decent?
Too coincedental for me.

a reply to: TDawg61

If the autopilot wasn't engaged and the aircraft wasn't trimmed, which with them just having finished a climb, it probably wasn't yet, then it's going to go in the direction it's trimmed.

Suspicious:

At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other so-called black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact.

www.nytimes.com...

ATS Advice:
SELL Airbus;BUY Boeing!

I read that the descent was consistent with the normal rate of descent for approaching an airport, 3000-4000ft per minute, is this accurate?

This video is kind of disturbing.



What it shows is the door locking procedure for these planes. It looks just like what they showed on ESPN.

So, even if the Pilot locked the door and was knocked out, the other Pilot could have still opened the door with a code. About 4 minutes in, they talk about the procedure to use in case the Pilots are incapacitated.

There's a code to get into the cockpit.

It seems, the only way to lock the door is manually and the Pilot inside wouldn't let him back in and that's why he tried smashing the door in.

a reply to: neoholographic

And if the pilot hadn't practiced opening the door that way, like other procedures, it wouldn't have been second nature for him to do it.

a reply to: Zaphod58

We'll have to see, because the one Pilot they talked about they said was a Captain with like 6,000 miles of flying experience on these planes. If he was the one locked out, he would figure out rather quickly that the other Pilot was blocking him from entering the cockpit.

Also, these guys are well trained and I doubt a Pilot would panic so much that he would forget a code to get into the cockpit.

a reply to: TheGreazel

I sincerely hope any pilot who flies the planes that I board know even the slightest descent and reacts urgently should the situation so warrant.

originally posted by: neoholographic
This video is kind of disturbing.

What it shows is the door locking procedure for these planes. It looks just like what they showed on ESPN.

So, even if the Pilot locked the door and was knocked out, the other Pilot could have still opened the door with a code. About 4 minutes in, they talk about the procedure to use in case the Pilots are incapacitated.

There's a code to get into the cockpit.

It seems, the only way to lock the door is manually and the Pilot inside wouldn't let him back in and that's why he tried smashing the door in.

So the code wasn't used...but the recorder heard banging on the door.
This gives more credibility to this scenario:

Pilot kills co-pilot...leaves cockpit...announces to passengers that the plane will crash into a mountain...passengers overcome pilot...try to break into cockpit.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Incredible. Were they locked out the entire flight?

Also, how do they know it was the other Pilot banging on the door?

He must have tried to get in with his code or he said something and maybe was talking to the other Pilot.