Breaking: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Don't know how I posted my own post in there

a reply to: neoholographic

There are a few facts that must be dealt with here, right? Is the following correct:

The door must be purposely locked from the inside. Otherwise, a pilot from the outside can get in by knowing the code.

The plane was off autopilot.

The windscreen was not broken. The voice recorder did not show a virtual windstorm in the cockpit. In fact, it was calm enough in the cockpit for investigators to hear the (at first) soft knocking from the pilot outside the door.

If this was a medical incident, why was the other pilot locked out of the cockpit and plane off autopilot? How could all three things be a coincidence?

It seems like every plane crash now is some kind of X-Files mystery. Planes have become so complex, and so many people are "armchair experts" that the speculation is endless. Oh well, here's what I'm thinking...

I don't think the crew member would have banged on the door unless he tried his code and it didn't work. The LED would be "red" indicating that the other person inside the cockpit had moved the switch to the "lock" position. It was probably at that point that the captain began beating on the door.

I think we can rule out incapacitation, because the captain should have been able to open the door with a code.

a reply to: MRuss

And.. A change of altitude needs to be requested, which I guess, did not happen either. All these things do hang up many theories.

a reply to: charlyv

Why? There's certainly no rule book out there every terrorist has to adhere to.

Although, yeah, it just sort of glided into the mountain. It's not the usual, that's for sure. Lacked the drama we're used to seeing.

a reply to: MRuss

It's not confirmed it was off autopilot. But the autopilot disconnect is a simple button on the controller. Click it and the autopilot is off. On older controllers it was pretty easy to hit.

a reply to: MRuss

Any factors. The pilot could of had a blood clot. Causing an instant stroke or MI.
Not going with suicide yet as I mentioned on page 5. Still possible.
But for a steady 8 minute decent.... I say no.

Even Charlyv said it.... if it were suicide. Point the nose down and throttle up faster.

a reply to: MRuss

No there's not a rule book, but every other suicide was a straight in dive so they couldn't be stopped.

a reply to: MRuss

Would a terrorist risk 8 minutes of a glide slope like that? That would at least leave 8 minutes for battering the cockpit door.

Just wanted to drop by and add high altitude bird strike, leading to injury or oxygen depletion, in case there wasn't enough other possibilities to guess about.

Nvm mruss already mentioned the quiet cockpit noise and audible quiet knock on recorder.

originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: MRuss

Would a terrorist risk 8 minutes of a glide slope like that? That would at least leave 8 minutes for battering the cockpit door.

What difference would it make? The door was reinforced, if it's locked, it stays locked as per airline safety guidelines

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I agree with you 100-percent.

I usually watch CNN to monitor the disinfo. They were at it big time tonight.

I wonder why the delay in releasing the pilots names? I think that's an interesting angle here. Does anyone speak German? The pilots must be out by now somewhere. In these days of social media, someone has uttered the pilot's names---whether on FB or whatever. Neighbors, friends, kid's friends...someone has uttered these names. They can't hide it forever.

Why the delay? It's going on two days.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

And a long slow descent gives them time to bypass the lock. If they manage to open the door they stop the descent.

a reply to: MRuss

They've also only released a few names of passengers too.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I don't know. It would seem to me that if you lock a pilot out of the cockpit, you're pretty sure he isn't going to get in. If anyone knows how tight the doors are, it's a pilot.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Don't have an answer really for that, but it seems that a terrorist would end it as soon as they got control.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

And a long slow descent gives them time to bypass the lock. If they manage to open the door they stop the descent.

So what methods of bypass are there?

a reply to: Zaphod58

Well, I saw a website that released a lot of names---although I wasn't counting.

I understand the next of kin thing, but it's only two pilots. If they were US pilots, we'd know their names, I would think. It would be too hard to keep it quiet. All it takes is one neighbor to say, "Yeah, Jack didn't come home yesterday," or a friend of one of their kids to put on FB, "praying for so and so's Dad."

Too hard to to keep quiet.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

There's the emergency entry procedure. They could still break the door down. It's reinforced, not unbreakable. If nothing else some planes have a fire ax on board to break through the cabin walls in the event of being trapped.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MRuss

They've also only released a few names of passengers too.

Here's one at least..

www.wpxi.com...