Breaking: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

Interesting video half way down the link on the locking of the cabin doors .

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originally posted by: Variable
a reply to: neoholographic

Why did the Pilot leave the cockpit and when he returned he couldn't open the cockpit door and he tried to smash it in. Why was it locked?

Well because it wasn't an accident. When you make a door no one can break into to protect from terrorists this type of thing can happen. Every action has unintended consequences. Now we know the people were aware of what was going on for several minutes. This makes the whole thing much worse imho. Captain goes to take a leak or whatever and the co pilot puts it in a shallow dive so he won't notice. Locks the door. That is some cold blooded # my friend. Absolutely frightening.


V

stop making stupid assumptions from almost no info

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

There's the emergency entry procedure. They could still break the door down. It's reinforced, not unbreakable. If nothing else some planes have a fire ax on board to break through the cabin walls in the event of being trapped.

Ok. Let's see if I have this right.

After 9/11 the point was to make it really really hard to get into the cockpit. So they are reinforced, not unbreakable(isn't that nice) AND there is a convenient fire ax located on the plane to chop it down?

Maybe there's something I'm not getting there.

I can see rules coming in that states all Pilots and Co-Pilots must go to the loo in pairs from now on, Like wimminz at the Disco. Either that or Pilot seats will be fitted with Potty's.

a reply to: hutch622

that was probally one of the few usefull replies to this thread - and it raises several obvious questions :

1 - given that the sound of the captain knocking could be herad on the CVR was :

a - intephone call incoming

b - cockpit access buzzer // overide alarm

audible - if not - why not ???

a further question unrelated to the above reply :

the aircraft was tracked on radar - descending from 38000 feet to 6800 - what about airtrafic control ? - did they never contact the plane as it deviated from flight plan ????????????

lastly - is the airbuss cockpit door a pressure bulkhead ?????????????????????????? i was under the impression that they were not - but several " experts " are discussing depresurisation of the cockpit - WTF ?

originally posted by: neoholographic
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Why did the Pilot leave the cockpit and when he returned he couldn't open the cockpit door and he tried to smash it in. Why was it locked?

Maybe it can be a simple explanation like the other Pilot had a heart attack, but why would the door be locked so the other Pilot couldn't get back in?

well~~~~~ after the 911 operation, at least the American airlines required that some flight crew member replace a Pilot that has left the cockpit for whatever reason... it is undetermined if the Airbus crew followed that procedure/protocol


since the authorities are refusing to reveal the names of the pilots...possibly to avoid terrorism speculations... we (or my CT mind at least) automatically does a mental review about the continued Muslim Pilot-as-Martyr program which started prior to the execution of the 911 operation in the USA...
911 would not have been feasible if not for the energetic insistence of a group of 12 Muslim pilot trainees who formed the original core 'cell' of volunteers willing to crash passenger jets into Western targets~~
Atta or KSM were late comer promoters who had connections to make the 'core cell martyrs' dream a reality thru OBL's organization

my CT mind tell me that there are pilot trained - Muslim martyrs still out there in secret cells...
won't it be eye-opening if the pilot that stayed in the cockpit was named something like Abdul... and the voices on the 2nd damaged black-box (with the missing memory card) was a prayer or chant of the 99 Names of Allah

if I am way-off-base on this... I will consider counseling


related story: www.breitbart.com...




just noted the post by this member who also noted that a cockpit replacement person is needed on all American airliners when one of the crew leaves the cockpit...
star 4 you
originally posted by: Bigburgh

a reply to: Zaphod58

A question Zaph, or any other aircraft engineer. ( I am not ). Could an electrical fire/major malfunction render the fly by wire control AND the door locks of an Airbus inoperable together leaving the pilot in control fighting a dead stick,and other pilot unable to get in regardless of pin code ?

a reply to: neoholographic

Terrorist? No. There are many suicidal people in the aviation industry just like any other industry. You can bet to find some sort of a suicide note from the captain soon.

originally posted by: St Udio

originally posted by: neoholographic
PARIS
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Why did the Pilot leave the cockpit and when he returned he couldn't open the cockpit door and he tried to smash it in. Why was it locked?

Maybe it can be a simple explanation like the other Pilot had a heart attack, but why would the door be locked so the other Pilot couldn't get back in?

 

well~~~~~ after the 911 operation, at least the American airlines required that some flight crew member replace a Pilot that has left the cockpit for whatever reason... it is undetermined if the Airbus crew followed that procedure/protocol


since the authorities are refusing to reveal the names of the pilots...possibly to avoid terrorism speculations... we (or my CT mind at least) automatically does a mental review about the continued Muslim Pilot-as-Martyr program which started prior to the execution of the 911 operation in the USA...
911 would not have been feasible if not for the energetic insistence of a group of 12 Muslim pilot trainees who formed the original core 'cell' of volunteers willing to crash passenger jets into Western targets~~
Atta or KSM were late comer promoters who had connections to make the 'core cell martyrs' dream a reality thru OBL's organization

my CT mind tell me that there are pilot trained - Muslim martyrs still out there in secret cells...
won't it be eye-opening if the pilot that stayed in the cockpit was named something like Abdul... and the voices on the 2nd damaged black-box (with the missing memory card) was a prayer or chant of the 99 Names of Allah

if I am way-off-base on this... I will consider counseling


related story: www.breitbart.com...

Concur! This is starting to look like an islamic nut job! Note Spain is close to Tunisia!

a reply to: nelloh62

as the CVR was operational - it SHOULD have recoreded any alarm [ fire // elelrial faiure // hydarlic pressure loss etc - i believe that each uses a different tone - so that even if only CVR is availiable - the alarm noises could help tell what systems failed ]

also - how do you account for the silence of the co-pilot

a reply to: St Udio

Wait, so a name is somehow supposed to determine if someone is a terrorist?

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: shaneslaughta

Since 9/11 its been standard to lock cockpits doors. Something must have happened to the copilot after the one went to the pisser. Heart attack, stroke, suicide...who knows.

That's exactly what I was thinking. If they can't hear an exchange of voices between both pilots, maybe the co-pilot did succumb to a heart attack or stroke. If it was a suicide, I would think the descent would have probably been more rapid.

Don't planes have autopilot?
Not sure how soon they are engaged, but it would seem probable that given the altitude, autopilot should have been engaged.
The question might be, why would autopilot get disengaged...
It's hard to gather that if there were any problems, that the pilot would leave the cockpit.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: nelloh62

as the CVR was operational - it SHOULD have recoreded any alarm [ fire // elelrial faiure // hydarlic pressure loss etc - i believe that each uses a different tone - so that even if only CVR is availiable - the alarm noises could help tell what systems failed ]

also - how do you account for the silence of the co-pilot

That was the question I was asking. If total/immediate electrical failure, including instruments and warning alarms, flight controls and comms etc, would it also be impossible to gain access ?
I have no idea as to silence of pilot , maybe he/she was already incapacitated. Its just a question/theory, as I am unsure of suicide yet, but I dont discount it

a reply to: Boeing777


if presented with the names Marcy and Abdul...
which name might you associate with Comedy
which name would you associate with Arabian Peninsula ideology

a reply to: ignorant_ape

CVR can be reset from the overhead panel.

I want to rule out an attack as well.
It is reported, that the Co-Pilot had enough experience (some hundred hours of flight) to fly the A320 without problems. If he had stayed on course, there would be juicier targets for a planecrash than a mountain in the alpes in southern france. Cities like Cologne, Duisburg, Essen and of course Düsseldorf are well in range of mere minutes when on course to Düsseldorf Airport and there wouldn't be any reaction time if he wanted to use the airplane as a weapon. I think he would have flown over or near other major cities in the area like Munich as well.

I think this is a tragic accident with some bad coincidences, taking 150 lives :/

First thoughts of mine when I read about this crash was 'Terrorism' because there's been a lot of talk from 'Terrorist' groups about 'acts of terror' within 'Germany' and 'France'. When the Pilot went to the toilet, maybe that was when it as taken over and flown into the Mountains by someone outside banging on the door pretending to be the pilot!!

Or

The Pilot was a suicidal maniac/Terrorist!

Here’s another possible scenario:

The copilot was madly in love with the flight-attendant who accompanied him in the cockpit (no pun intended) while the main pilot went to the bathroom. The flight-attendant then offers the copilot the following ultimate challenge: “Put the plane in landing procedure, and if you can make me climax before we hit the ground, I’ll be yours forever. You’ve got 8 minutes!”

Sorry, couldn’t help it. No disrespect intended.



soulwaxer

a reply to: Boeing777

I would not fly on a plane captained by a Mohammad.

Sorry.

originally posted by: shaneslaughta
Since 9/11 its been standard to lock cockpits doors. Something must have happened to the copilot after the one went to the pisser. Heart attack, stroke, suicide...who knows.

Maybe the investigation will turn up some evidence.

Its a bit too much of a coincidence for some attack to the pilot happening at that precise moment don't ya think?