Guy explains US-Russia-Ukraine issue with a single image, cool

originally posted by: DJW001
And the FSB would never pose as journalists. Not using critical thinking again, tsk tsk.a reply to: sosobad

Lol you saying these were fsb agents. Wow just wow. Not using logical thought again tsk tsk lol Is Forbes fsb too? Lmao

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: PrettyPlease1

Lol I always get a chuckle when the US accuses another country of being aggressive. Your list is only the tip of the iceberg. The only time the U.S. went five years without war (1935-40) was during the isolationist period of the Great Depression. Never gone a full decade without being involved in a war. Been at war 222 years out of it's 239 years existence or 93% of their time.

en.m.wikipedia.org...
www.washingtonsblog.com...

A perpetual state of war since it's founding. Calls everyone else aggressive. Lol

With this data its a nice opportunity to ask the question...

With the US government.... By The People, For The People and so on....

Who want these wars... the people... I do not think so. Then who the f*^# is starting these wars and sending complete generations into misery? Misery for someone elses profit...

No, you know perfectly well I am not saying that. As unusual you are deliberately twisting things. I am saying that, for all they knew, the Crimeans thought they were being questioned by FSB agents posing as westerners.reply to: sosobad

a reply to: DJW001

You know this how? You much contact with people from Crimea?

You forgot to list Hawaii - 1893

originally posted by: PrettyPlease1
Yeah US is a really good guy along with their little sidekick NATO

List of countries US warred in for nice and peachy reasons only

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: DJW001

You know this how? You much contact with people from Crimea?

Clearly, you must live in Crimea that you are so certain as to how Crimeans really feel.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: DJW001

You know this how? You much contact with people from Crimea?

Clearly, you must live in Crimea that you are so certain as to how Crimeans really feel.

Just going by the article you are the one stating they are saying this under distress, how did you get this information?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: sosobad

We are a war like nation… we like war.

You got to love, George Carlin

Rebel 5

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: DJW001

You know this how? You much contact with people from Crimea?

Clearly, you must live in Crimea that you are so certain as to how Crimeans really feel.

Just going by the article you are the one stating they are saying this under distress, how did you get this information?

Once again, you seem to assume that the presence of troops in the streets is not duress.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: DJW001

You know this how? You much contact with people from Crimea?

Clearly, you must live in Crimea that you are so certain as to how Crimeans really feel.

Just going by the article you are the one stating they are saying this under distress, how did you get this information?

Once again, you seem to assume that the presence of troops in the streets is not duress.

Hold on you said it was on the phone now the presence of troops on the streets. Show proof of the people under distress by Russian troops please.

a reply to: PrettyPlease1
Do you need crayons?

a reply to: sosobad

This article cited in both these links is by Russia’s Kommersant Newspaper. The article in question was published on feb 19th.

by journalist Ilya Barabanov that gives details of the involvement of Russian regular troops in fighting on the side of the militants in eastern Ukraine

www.unian.info...
www.ibtimes.com...

Here is ONE article written by a Russian newspaper. There are others that quote rebel leaders directly as they speak about Russian citizens in their ranks. These "Russian citizens" arent bakers I assume. They are soldiers either active or otherwise who are fighting Ukrainian forces in their own country.

Here is the original article these two links reference.

www.kommersant.ru...

here is another with several photos of specific individuals who have been identified as Russian armed forces all over the country. While you may say that MSM is not a valid source...ok, how about when they quote putin directly about Russian troops in Crimea?

President Vladimir Putin said during a four-hour televised question and answer session on Russian TV on Thursday that the allegations of Russian involvement in Ukraine were “all nonsense.” Adding, “there are no Russian units, special services or instructors in the east of Ukraine.” But the international community is skeptical of Russia’s denials. Putin finally admitted just last week that Russian troops were involved in Crimea – after months of denials. “Of course, Russian servicemen did back the Crimean self-defense forces,” said Putin.

www.nbcnews.com...

EDIT TO ADD:
As far as polls....the Gallop poll is questionable....and they do in fact have a history of mudding the facts if the reward is appealing enough.

Alleged violations of the False Claims Act and the Procurement Integrity Act
In July 2013, the United States Department of Justice announced that Gallup had agreed to pay $10.5 million to settle allegations that it violated the False Claims Act and the Procurement Integrity Act for conduct involving several of its federal government contracts and subcontracts. The settlement resolved allegations in a complaint filed by the United States in November 2012.

The complaint alleged that Gallup knowingly overstated its true estimated labor hours in proposals to the U.S. Mint and State Department for contracts and task orders that were to be awarded without competition. Because of Gallup’s conduct, the complaint alleged, the two federal agencies awarded Gallup contracts and task orders at falsely inflated prices.

The settlement also resolved allegations that Gallup engaged in improper employment negotiations with a then Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) official, Timothy Cannon, in order to obtain a FEMA subcontract at an inflated price and additional FEMA funding after the subcontract had been awarded. The allegations against Gallup were originally brought in a lawsuit filed under the whistleblower provisions of the False Claims Act by Michael Lindley, Gallup’s former Director of Client Services. As a result of the settlement with Gallup, Lindley will receive $1,929,363 as his share of the government’s recovery.

wiki

There is this break down that I feel is not biased, but rather is just honest about Crimerans about their "want of Russianness".

www.washingtonpost.com...

What most people dont understand is that Crimea is like Texas in that they are first and foremost Crimeans over Ukrainians.

Its not that support is FOR Russia, but rather that they dont identify with Ukraine like other parts of the country. That doesnt mean that they want to be Russian. They are culturally Russian, favoring Russian as a regional language, customs ecetera...that doesnt mean they want to join the Russian federation. Thats like saying that if California wants to join Mexico it should....Just because many people speak spanish and share cultural practices with Mexico.

Or if the Basque in France wanted to break away and join the Basque in Spain under the spanish government. Would you support France losing the south of its country because a group that lives there speaks the same language as another across the border?

The similarities in my last example to this situation are telling. Basques arent Spanish, or French...Yet if one group in those countries tried to join the other by seceding and joining the other country there would be hell to pay and no amount of propaganda by France or Spain would hide the fact that they just took part of their neighbors land....especially if they sent in troops to help out the want to be separatists.

The time of the cold, cumbersome bear is at an end. The US military has been using up billions and billions of dollars year after year developing weaponry that civilians wouldn't believe. M.A.D.? I seriously doubt that. If I were Putin, I'd be concerned that for some strange reason, when the sirens go off, none of my nuke launch buttons work. For that matter, nothing electrical works.

a reply to: tadaman

March 6, 2014 That is the date of you article,

March 20 2015

In February 2015, a poll by German polling firm GfK revealed that attitudes have not changed. When asked “Do you endorse Russia’s annexation of Crimea?”, a total of 82% of the respondents answered “yes, definitely,” and another 11% answered “yes, for the most part.” Only 2% said they didn’t know, and another 2% said no. Three percent did not specify their position

Not a gallup poll it is a separate study done by German polling firm Gfk. Published in Forbes also. For people so worried about Crimea you all seem to want to disregard what the Crimeans actually want. I never asked was there troops there I asked for proof that these people made their statements under distress from Russian soldiers, any evidence of that?

From the Forbes article(highlighted because someone is sure to call it Russian propaganda)

Despite huge efforts on the part of Kiev, Brussels, Washington and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the bulk of humanity living on the Black Sea peninsula believe the referendum to secede from Ukraine was legit. At some point, the West will have to recognize Crimea’s right to self rule. Unless we are all to believe that the locals polled by Gallup and GfK were done so with FSB bogey men standing by with guns in their hands.

www.forbes.com...

PS The washingtonpost on anything to do with Russia is not a reliable source. Biased to the hilt

ETA I'm off to bed, I will leave you all to finding ways that Crimea is doing this against their will while ignoring their actual wishes.

a reply to: sosobad

I dont disregard what crimeans actually want. What they want is more independance. They want to rule themselves since they think of themselves as something other than Ukranian...or Russian.

If you had bothered to ask me....I support their independence if they want it....from both Russia AND the Ukraine.

I am 1000% for regional independance all over the world. I hate central governments and support people trying to make it on their own based off real things like cultural identity and historical commonalities.

Russia is being dishonest. If they cared about what Crimea wanted, they would have freed them AND LEFT. That is what they want. To be free of far off capitals controlling a unique people such as themselves.

They dont want to be Russian. They are just nervous under Ukrainian rule since their culture was going to be stomped out in their eyes to make them more like other Ukrainians.

Most of these polls ask if they like being free of Ukraine, which they do. These same polls also ask if they consider Russia their homeland and they dont...according to these polls.

So you decide.

Also dont imply why I care if you are here for the same reasons. Why do you care? Me too.

how people buy these lies so easily just because it's america being blamed is sad and shows that when the time comes for a real war with russia that many of our allies will abandon us and many americans will betray our country to russia without hesitation.

like all of u I want to know the truth

this is no media
this is a message from hundreds and thousands of people from eastern Ukraine but I might be wrong about all of it

no extremism of people who are pushing their agendas

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I listen to anyone who has an opinion after watching the videos
so far to me there is no wrong or right and so wrong and right

I thought u guys said the same things but went on about it different way
I attached for both of u and all for u two videos
I dearly apreciate any input u guys have

originally posted by: MimiSia
a reply to: dollukka

no please it is no ones fault
especially not the fault of u and me and the other guy here
please can we stop this bullshait
I love Obama I love Putin end of story
I hate terrorists can we agree on that?

You love Obama? *Double facepalm*

Blaming Game is on again, Fuming Rage against each other. Showing what they had done, are doing or will do. lol.