Evidence that MH17 was downed with a BUK.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

Special forces aren`t considered boots on the ground anymore.

US is also not fighting in the Ukraine and Syria.

Losses of foreign legions and NATO mercenaries in Donbass

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Yes, i've read this

it most certainly ISN'T proof of which side carried out the attack

many times today already, but since Strelkov proudly posted on his VK and twitter that they had shot down another aircraft with the warning 'do not fly in our sky', and since MH17 was hit head on, the question "who?" should not be to hard to answer.

Apologies for manner violation mods & fellow ATS'ers, I just get annoyed when people post things as fact when in fact they are not.

Reply to above, that does not constitute proof of anything.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

this is simply a scientist throwing in his opinion and it most certainly ISN'T proof of which side carried out the attack

Well here is an interesting thing about that...

MH 17 was hit around the cockpit as the plane was flying east well into separatists held territory.

So I have to ask how could Ukraine have shot it down in separatists territory without being noticed by the separatists or anyone for that matter?

So by knowing that who else could bring a plane down heading East and it be shot right behind the cockpit...Buk missiles are pretty good, they aren't magical.

So you know all of this before the official investigation has been completed? From someone with an OBJECTIVE mind, anyone could've brought that plane down, accidently or not.

And if it was a deliberate act then, and once again from someone with an OBJECTIVE mind, I fail to see exactly what Russia would have to gain from it.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

The man who took the photo said he did send the photo to SBU, and Anton Gerashchenko (not a spindoctor but the interior minister of Ukraine) posted it on facebook.
The man who took the pictures sought publicity with international investigators because nothing was done with his pictures.
So he is not a witness presented by the SBU, he is the man who took the pictures and he has handed over his camera including the memory card with the pictures on it.
The friend that is mentioned is unknown to me, this so called friend was certainly not the poster of the picture, that was Anton Gerashchenko.

This photo is most definitely not from a grad missile.
It has a much darker trail and if grad missiles are launched there would be more than one trail.

a reply to: earthling42

Have yo seen the video in the link I gave you ?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I take it is the link to vimeo? which you mean?

a reply to: earthling42

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Well that is not the alleged MH17-m1 launch, these are grad missiles that are fired from russian territory.

originally posted by: JHumm
Does that mean that if someone is killed with a 223/556 that is was done by an AR 15 with an American soldier behind the trigger?

Was the bullet fired from the building housing American soldiers? If yes then what would be your response to someone saying it was a Russian who shot them?

Same response.

a reply to: earthling42

Exactly, it was the video of the picture, one day before the 17th July uploaded.

Not BUK - M1: new video proof

originally posted by: bjarneorn


What is however relevant, is motive ... an accident, is not a crime. Whoever committed it ... and any attempt by you or any other, to create a world war, over an accident is a crime ... by you.

Actually yes, it is a crime.

The intent was to bring down an aircraft. While its entirely possible it was an accident, the fact remains it was intentionally targeted.

If a person commits a drive by shooting, and accidentally kills the wrong person, its still a crime.

I find it interesting that with the evidence coming out that it was a SAM that brought the plane down, we are seeing arguments shift to the accidental region, as if to try and downplay what occurred while trying to absolve the group who did it.

If it was pro Russian separatists it was an accident (which doesn't excuse anything) and a mighty daft one at that:


atlas.media.mit.edu...

If it was Ukrainian far right lunatics it would make sense in that little private black sun universe of theirs...

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Sorry, but this is simply rubbish.

a reply to: earthling42

Even if this is true

Whose BUK

Ukraine has BUK as well and the new government is friends with guys who love false flags.... CIA and US government

RT: Dutch dismiss reports alleging MH17 downed by BUK

The Netherlands has denied reports that the Malaysia Airlines plane was downed by a Buk missile, killing all 298 passengers and crew last July.

The Dutch Safety Board (DSB), which is investigating the cause of the crash, responded to reports released earlier by Netherlands broadcaster RTL alleging that the flight MH17 was downed by a Russian-made anti-aircraft missile system.

a reply to: yeahsurexxx

You left out the most important parts.

“The investigation into the cause of the accident is in full progress and focuses on many more sources than only the shrapnel,” the DSB stated.

"Additional investigation material is welcome, but it is imperative that it can be indisputably shown that there is a relationship between the material and the downed aircraft," the agency emphasized Thursday in a statement.

“We are not yet ready to take any conclusion,” he pointed out.

So the investigation is still going on and isn't ready to say with certainty what caused it. They never do until the final report is released so it doesn't contaminate the investigation.

a reply to: Zaphod58

The Netherlands is sending investigators, including a rep from the mishap board, back to Ukraine to the crash site. They will be doing preliminarily work for another team who will deploy in April.

a reply to: Xcathdra

And like any investigation won't say anything about the cause until after its over with.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Xcathdra

And like any investigation won't say anything about the cause until after its over with.

If a cause is 100% established and a suspect is identified we might not hear all that much about it until the legal side is dealt with. If the suspects are foreign nationals I doubt we would see arrest warrants and extradition requests being granted. That means we may never get all the details.

This could result in the same situation as the JFK assassination. Crime committed, suspect located, suspect killed, people just assume the suspect did it and that's how history is taught. People don't seem to realize the JFK assassination is a cold case file.

I think the same will occur here.

Any evidence presented implicating Russia is going to be ignored. Any evidence implicating the rebels is going to be ignored.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Exactly. They're not going to bias either the crash investigators or any criminal case if one is brought. So of course they're going to deny anything until they're ready.