San Francisco Catholic church installs watering system to drench homeless people as they sleep

originally posted by: guitarplayer

originally posted by: angeldoll
Heartbreaking, really. Simply heartbreaking. Others should go take them fresh dry towels, and hot coffee.

I so hate to hear of this blatant cruelty and disregard for our mostly mentally ill and VETERANS.

Why should others do as you said. Why don't you do as suggested? Why don't all the progressives in LA LA land open their homes to these folks and stop making it someone else problem? You bring them hot coffee and dry towels and stop putting it off on someone else.

Hello Sugarlips!

I'm sure nobody who knows you would expect you to do anything about it. . I get the 'all my towels and coffee are belong to me' vibe right off your post!

If I weren't 2,000 miles away I have no doubt I would do that, among other things! And cheer up! I'm sure all I want from you, is not a damned thing!

; )

a reply to: olaru12

Doesn't Cali have a water issue, as in they don't have much? If so, why would anyone think this is a good idea? And too boot, this is a Catholic Church installing these systems? Holy sh*@, the irony! Jesus would be so proud.... Maybe instead of spending money on lavish churches and pedos they could help the poor?

How about we find a way to cure homelessness instead of shooting them with water?

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it appears the parable of the Good Samaritan does not exist within the bible of this San Francisco's Catholic Church.
Perhaps, its going to branch out into capitalism by selling umbrellas to the homeless who huddle under its water spouts?

My half-sister is catholic and although a lovely person she seems to skim over any criticism or wrong doing by the Catholic church and still perches happily on one the pews there every Sunday - most strange.

The ironic part is truly that it is San Francisco, named after St. Francis, who's entire life's work surrounded assisting the poor and sick. And Pope Francis as well. I wonder if he will respond to this if he gets wind of it.

a reply to: Swills

How about we find a way to cure homelessness instead of shooting them with water?

It is better then bullets, so I guess there is that.

You have no idea of my personal charity, yet you rail against me for suggesting that people should in the spirit of charity help theses folks. Why must it be left to government or the church when Christ said that if you have not done it to the least of these you have not done it unto me. So get off your high horse and do something!

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: guitarplayer

originally posted by: angeldoll
Heartbreaking, really. Simply heartbreaking. Others should go take them fresh dry towels, and hot coffee.

I so hate to hear of this blatant cruelty and disregard for our mostly mentally ill and VETERANS.

Why should others do as you said. Why don't you do as suggested? Why don't all the progressives in LA LA land open their homes to these folks and stop making it someone else problem? You bring them hot coffee and dry towels and stop putting it off on someone else.

Hello Sugarlips!

I'm sure nobody who knows you would expect you to do anything about it. . I get the 'all my towels and coffee are belong to me' vibe right off your post!

If I weren't 2,000 miles away I have no doubt I would do that, among other things! And cheer up! I'm sure all I want from you, is not a damned thing!

; )

Y'know, it kind of says a lot that this thread spiraled into Republicans ranting about the welfare state and liberal California - isn't that kind of proving the mentality of the right wing in the USA and how this story came into being?

The responses of the Conservatives in this thread is a perfect example of their belief that everything comes down to the "righteous" and the "worthless".

This thread should be about the poor being abused by a cult which claims to exist to give "moral guidance" and for "charity", when clearly it is anything but. Instead, those of a similar mind (come on, we KNOW this "church" is run by Conservatives, even if it is in a liberal state) would rather completely ignore the plight of the victims in this, and instead use it as yet another opportunity to rant.

I don't think any more proof of their mentality is needed, heartless swine every one of them.

And Lo, Jesus said unto his disciples...

This sermon has been recited verily...


So that you may douse the vagabonds in Aqua if they so desecrate the Holy Sanctuary...


And may they never darken our doorstep again, for it is written they shall be soaked for such a transgression.

Well, the homeless are certainly going to have the last laugh when California runs out of water next year then.

The cathedral is private property. This is what they are doing to it:

There are syringes, cigarette butts, soggy clothing and cardboard. ... “We refer them, mostly to Catholic Charities, for example for housing,” Lyford said. “To Saint Anthony’s soup kitchen for food, if they want food on that day. Saint Vincent de Paul if they need clothes.” But he says they keep coming back, and most seem to have serious substance abuse issues.

If drug abusers kept trespassing on my property, leaving trash and used needles all over the place, and ignored my attempts to get them help, yeah, I'd turn the hose on them, too.

Scratch that, I'd set up a camera, get them all on video, and call the police every time one trespassed, littered, or violated a drug law. Enough complaints and they'd find new housing in the local jail.

a reply to: FurvusRexCaeli

And you are not a church that preaches love and acceptance, you must see the difference.

They preach taking the poor and weak in, not running them away.

a reply to: FurvusRexCaeli

Do you not understand that Churches being considered private property of anyone other than God is somewhat stupid, not to mention counter to what real Christianity ought to stand for? The laws of man in this regard are not relevant. Only the difference between compassion and contempt is relevant here.

a reply to: olaru12

I'm assuming the SF Archdiocese is exempt from being penalized for wasteful use of water. San Francisco is still in California, right?

I'm at a total loss on this one.

I'm Catholic, and back in the 1990's I was homeless in San Francisco myself. Got to know a lot of the folks in transition back then. Most were together enough to camp out in the parks, or obtain residential shelter for the evening but even then there were issues that involved general safety regardless of which avenue one went with...even shelters had issues.

These folks leaving cardboard and needles are most definitely in dire straits, but I also know that folks battling severe drug addiction and alcoholism on the streets are some of the hardest to get through to when it comes to conventional services human beings can provide.

Until Christ himself returns to heal the sick and infirm from such worldly demons such as addictions, there is only so much a Church comprised of mere human beings can do. That being said, I think it's a travesty they are spraying these poor folks down, but conversely, I also see how having an alcove smell intensely of urine and possible contaminated needles lying around can be just as detrimental.

I earnestly wish I had a solution to this issue....instead of just laying blame on other people.

originally posted by: lovebeck
a reply to: olaru12

So, I'm assuming the SF Archdiocese is exempt from wasting water? San Francisco is still in California, right?

If it's true what they're saying: "There are syringes, cigarette butts, soggy clothing and cardboard. ..." I certainly hope they're not hosing it down the gutters drains, and ultimately, into the ocean!

Wow but San Fran is a homeless haven. If I were homeless I would prob also go there. For whatever reason, homeless people seem to feel safer next to a church. Maybe cops feel more guilty dragging off a homeless person from a church.

a reply to: olaru12
Disgusting ...
Just another reason to avoid Religion and Believe in ourselves for once..

a reply to: DjembeJedi

What I find most disturbing is the lack of compassion from those that claim to follow Christ.

Perhaps it's the "holier than thou" syndrome that views the poor, sick and infirm as somehow inferior and deserving of their plight.....

On a lighter note: at least the poor/unfortunate chap(s) got a free wash, courtesy the alleged California drought.

If others got a better way in dealing with trespassers, I'd like to know as humanely as possible.