Here We Go Again! Body cam footage Dallas PD shoot mentally ill man

if only everyone was as critical of corrupt administrations as they are your run of the mill LE officer on patrol trying to respond to emergency calls. its even more funny when the DOJ goes in to sort things out. Fast and Furious anyone? how about immigration LOL.

a reply to: agenda51

Police are supposedly highly trained so they don't have to think too much when these situations arise. Muscle-memory and self-defence instincts should be kicking in so that such encounters are second nature, and you are operating with ice cold professionalism. Cops who instantly reach for their gun even when it isn't needed are as much use as a brain surgeon who gets squeamish at the sight of blood. If you aren't up to scratch, quit the job and give someone more qualified your important duties.

a reply to: HighFive

and RSMo 43.505 says otherwise. This is the requirement for the State of Missouri. All other states have similar laws concerning their reporting systems.

43.505. 1. The department of public safety is hereby designated as the central repository for the collection, maintenance, analysis and reporting of crime incident activity generated by law enforcement agencies in this state. The department shall develop and operate a uniform crime reporting system that is compatible with the national uniform crime reporting system operated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

2. The department of public safety shall:

(1) Develop, operate and maintain an information system for the collection, storage, maintenance, analysis and retrieval of crime incident and arrest reports from Missouri law enforcement agencies;

(2) Compile the statistical data and forward such data as required to the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the appropriate Department of Justice agency in accordance with the standards and procedures of the national system;

(3) Provide the forms, formats, procedures, standards and related training or training assistance to all law enforcement agencies in the state as necessary for such agencies to report incident and arrest activity for timely inclusion into the statewide system;

(4) Annually publish a report on the nature and extent of crime and submit such report to the governor and the general assembly. Such report and other statistical reports shall be made available to state and local law enforcement agencies and the general public through an electronic or manual medium;

(5) Maintain the privacy and security of information in accordance with applicable state and federal laws, regulations and orders; and

(6) Establish such rules and regulations as are necessary for implementing the provisions of this section. Any rule or portion of a rule, as that term is defined in section 536.010, that is created under the authority delegated in this section shall become effective only if it complies with and is subject to all of the provisions of chapter 536 and, if applicable, section 536.028. This section and chapter 536 are nonseverable and if any of the powers vested with the general assembly pursuant to chapter 536 to review, to delay the effective date or to disapprove and annul a rule are subsequently held unconstitutional, then the grant of rulemaking authority and any rule proposed or adopted after August 28, 2000, shall be invalid and void.

3. Every law enforcement agency in the state shall:

(1) Submit crime incident reports to the department of public safety on forms or in the format prescribed by the department; and

(2) Submit any other crime incident information which may be required by the department of public safety.

4. Any law enforcement agency that violates this section may be ineligible to receive state or federal funds which would otherwise be paid to such agency for law enforcement, safety or criminal justice purposes.

a reply to: agenda51

The police are at the coal face of public interactions between civilian and authority. You should expect the most criricism.

originally posted by: IvanAstikov
a reply to: agenda51

The police are at the coal face of public interactions between civilian and authority. You should expect the most criticism.

Criticism is fine when the person criticizing knows what they are talking about. If they don't and try to criticize is just comes across as nonsensical bitching that serves no purpose.

You quoted a newly written statue in one state, Missouri, from August 28 2014.
Hopefully more states use these high profile killings to become more transparent like Missouri,
But as the Wall Street Journal shows not all states have laws like that.

And you avoided my questions

Why did 4 people die by officer in Germany and the UK combined last year compared to over 1000 in the US?
Better trained? People act differently in London or Berlin?

As an officer, have you received any training in de-escalating situations or dealing with the mentally ill?
You seem to be very educated on when you can use deadly force

originally posted by: IvanAstikov
a reply to: agenda51

Police are supposedly highly trained so they don't have to think too much when these situations arise. Muscle-memory and self-defence instincts should be kicking in so that such encounters are second nature, and you are operating with ice cold professionalism. Cops who instantly reach for their gun even when it isn't needed are as much use as a brain surgeon who gets squeamish at the sight of blood. If you aren't up to scratch, quit the job and give someone more qualified your important duties.

yeah. those brain surgeons are in some pretty stressful situations when the brain gets up and charges with a scalpel in hand LOL.

Maybe you should not compare controlled environments to that of anything can happen.

Police train all the time. the training these officers worked. how you think they were supposed to talk him down when he charged from a few feet away is beyond me. they would not have even had time to get one word out.

keep it up though. Your cracking me up.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Club doormen know more about close combat without reliance on guns than your typical plod does. Are you going to take advice from people like that??

a reply to: agenda51

Getting in a boxing ring is a highly stressful situation for somebody who has never been punched in the face. Not so much for a person who has experienced full contact sparring.

It amazes me how many people on here feel the police should be punching bags for the public.

They did not sign on to 'accept' the first blow.

A screw driver IS a DEADLY weapon.
If you go at cops with any weapon you deserve to die. PERIOD

If you feel the cops in Germany and the UK are sooo much better then bring a few on them over here and let them face some of those 'self entitled' inner city thugs. Watch how fast they go for their guns after a few encounters.

originally posted by: IvanAstikov
a reply to: agenda51

Getting in a boxing ring is a highly stressful situation for somebody who has never been punched in the face. Not so much for a person who has experienced full contact sparring.

again your comparing a controlled environment in sports to that of a domestic disturbance call.

funny stuff.

originally posted by: samkent
It amazes me how many people on here feel the police should be punching bags for the public.

They did not sign on to 'accept' the first blow.

A screw driver IS a DEADLY weapon.
If you go at cops with any weapon you deserve to die. PERIOD

If you feel the cops in Germany and the UK are sooo much better then bring a few on them over here and let them face some of those 'self entitled' inner city thugs. Watch how fast they go for their guns after a few encounters.

its a result of entitlement attitude and a lack of personal responsibility for ones own actions. in other words people just need to grow up, learn some manners, and don't lash out at people over stupid crap. its mainly small segments of certain demographics that do this. last time a LE officer approached me I just talked to him. I didnt get tazed, beaten, or shot.

a reply to: agenda51

I thought it was part of a cop's job to create a controlled environment, not turn a location into the gunfight at the OK Corral?

originally posted by: IvanAstikov
a reply to: agenda51

I thought it was part of a cop's job to create a controlled environment, not turn a location into the gunfight at the OK Corral?

sometimes you have do deal with an immediate threat to get the environment under control. Sometimes that requires the use of deadly force.

if you insist on trolling and I am going to ignore you. maybe you should research the OK corral a little more.

a reply to: agenda51

Don't go getting all semantic on me. The OK Corral is a generally recognised incident of lawmen and criminals having a frenzied shoot out.

a reply to: IvanAstikov

I get it...you just hate LE no matter what. I dont and they get my respect. they are the line of defense between people like yourself and I.

a reply to: agenda51
If I hated cops, I wouldn't be sat here griping about them.

a reply to: IvanAstikov

Are you seriously using that as an argument basis???

You do understand that the whole hollywood driven idea of the Wild West is just that? Hollywood.

Shoot-outs didn't happen nearly as often as hollywood depicts this. But....you would know this, if you lived here.

Some of the posts in this thread make me sick, but we're all entitled to our opinions.

Some of you seem to think the police are above reproach and are justified in everything they do. We see the same kind of slavish devotion and unmitigated admiration of the police as we do the military. What kind of society is it where the police can routinely kill people in very questionable circumstances and not even be investigated, let alone punished, for their actions?

We see a lot of these type of stories on ATS and from reading them I really have to wonder about the state of training for police forces in the United States. Are police officers completely incapable of assessing what is the best to do in a situation? Time and time again we some them just blow someone away when it really isn't necessary. There are simple self-defense techniques used to disarm people. I would have thought that the police of all people would have some training in such things.

"It is a complex problem, officers are trained in a completely different manner to take control, be assertive, and use the power of your voice to control a circumstance," Henley said. "That's their default position. But when you are talking to a person who has a mental illness, you got to go the other way."

I mean that right there is ridiculous. You can't have one size fits all for dealing with a situation. So it's basically being an aggressive bully and then if that doesn't work just shoot them?

The fact is they chose to kill a man when it wasn't necessary. If there was one policeman you might at a push be able to argue that he had to shoot, but it's still questionable in my opinion. However there were two of them and there were mitigating circumstances in the fact that this man was mentally ill and they were obviously aware of this.

I mean using these parameters, if people working in the mental health sector went around carrying guns and resorted to deadly force every time there was a volatile situation then there would be a lot of dead bodies.

a reply to: Kram09

I don't think the patients at mental health facilities are allowed to have sharp objects or screwdrivers.... I guess we all just found out why...