Netanyahu: If I'm elected, there will be no Palestinian state

a reply to: wantsome

and anyone who automatically invokes zion and jews into the conversation in the same manner the Nazis did there is a problem.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The attitude of some Arab countries towards the Palestinian was unfair. If you consider that, because they are sharing the same faith, they should be partners/allies.

Moderate Jews and Arabs generally agree that the division of the former Arab empires (Persian & Ottomans) at the end of the 19th century - in favor of colonialist interstest from France and Britain - is an important source of instability in the region.
Should the Arab world have remained united, the creation of modern Israel would have been impossible.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: wantsome

and anyone who automatically invokes zion and jews into the conversation in the same manner the Nazis did there is a problem.

Just because the winner writes the history books doesn't make them 100% correct. I don't agree with what the Nazi's did but I've come to the conclusion that Jews aren't as innocent as they like portray themselves to be.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

They were nomadic because the land there was not able to be worked until modern times and modern tech. Also who is to say that if you are nomadic if you find a place to settle down you cant stop being a nomad? The Palis that claim relation to philistines and others in the area are not related by gentic testing. they just claim it to be so ir respective of the facts.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

They were nomadic because the land there was not able to be worked until modern times and modern tech. Also who is to say that if you are nomadic if you find a place to settle down you cant stop being a nomad? The Palis that claim relation to philistines and others in the area are not related by gentic testing. they just claim it to be so ir respective of the facts.

Many of the Palestinians are Jews. Much ,more Jews genetically speaking to the original Jews 2,000 years ago than the recent immigrants to Israel for Africa and Europe.

Russians and Ethiopians are not as Jewish as the locals in Jerusalem, it's so obvious. Those Palestinians are the Jews, they were just ethnically steam cleaned into Muslims by Saladin and his lot.

If you want real Jews go into Jerusalem and talk to the Arabs, they will tell you (some of them) their family was Jewish times back.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Of course you are ignoring right there the outrageous violations of International Law: The Geneva conventions (forbids the acquisition of territory by war) between several other violations (as human rights), not to mention several other violations of United Nations Security Council Resolutions, since 1948, and last but not least, every War crimes from the last decades and all the Genocidal actions.

a reply to: Elementalist

I wish the CIA would fund Palestine and equip them with weaponry, trucks and media tactics. Then it would.be a fair fight!

Would be better still if the CIA funded peace instead of war..

purp..

a reply to: voyger2

Israel was established by the united Nations.
Arab countries were the ones who attacked Israel.
Israel returned captured territory in exchange for recognition and peace agreements - Egypt accepted, Jordan accepted, Syria refused.
Jordan relinquished its claim on the West bank with the caveat it be used for a Palestinian state.
Egypt also has a blockade on Gaza's borders yet I don't see you guys bitching about that.

If you go down the road of war crimes then you better be prepared to list arabs on that list as well.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Xcathdra

I second this idea. Round em all up, and while we're at it can we include so called leaders worldwide?

Now we're talking!!! Destroy all governments worldwide, hang the leaders, lock up their minions who helped and evict anyone who made money or a living of all their BS. Leave nothing but the citizens. Then you have a chance at peace. I'm in...anyone else?

originally posted by: Elementalist
I wish the CIA would fund Palestine and equip them with weaponry, trucks and media tactics.

Then it would.be a fair fight!

So many cowards as nation leaders and even the terrorist monkeys in the ME. Always need an advantage to take out the weakest link.

Pretty pathetic indeed

No the CIA only funds "freedom fighters" and civil wars if said fighters are undermining our enemies. If they are undermining or fighting back against allies, then they are "terrorists." Lol.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Iscool

originally posted by: Echo007
The US will still go along with whatever Israel wants to do. They will continue to ignore expansion of settlements until no land left for a Palestinian state.

The Palestinians were offered property twice the size that they have in Egypt...They rejected the offer...They don't want land...They want to kill all the Jews...

Why didn't the Zionist take it? The Palestinians who have been there for generations have a better claim to the land than a bunch of people crying this land belong to us thousands of years ago and to top it off they aren't even descended from those people.

Sorry but there were jews there as long as them so they both have a claim on that land too. And technically it was known as"the area of palestine" and never officially a country.

The first generation of modern palis were not even natives there but refugees remember? Arafatt and PLO leadership have said that. I even linked it to ATS a few times. now the CURRENT OFFSPRING ARE NATIVE THOUGH. So that allows for a new solution if the PLO and Hamas and israels would stop being jerks to each other.

Modern israelis and modern Palis want to stop this crap.

Those arguments fail though, because they can be applied equally well to most Jews who returned after WWII. The Palestinians have a much more recent and continuos claim to Palestine and Israel.

There is even a ton of genetic and anthropological evidence from studies that many of the Palestinians may in fact BE descended in part from the Hebrews, and simply converted to Islam, excepting a few Christians and Jews left over.

In that case, they have a much much stronger claim than any returning Jew.

Having said that, I don't think that Jews should not be able to be there either.

Netanyahu is another one i would like to kick directly in the balls... twice
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: voyger2

Israel was established by the united Nations.
Arab countries were the ones who attacked Israel.
Israel returned captured territory in exchange for recognition and peace agreements - Egypt accepted, Jordan accepted, Syria refused.
Jordan relinquished its claim on the West bank with the caveat it be used for a Palestinian state.
Egypt also has a blockade on Gaza's borders yet I don't see you guys bitching about that.

If you go down the road of war crimes then you better be prepared to list arabs on that list as well.

Please, for honesty sake, before I even start to refute your claims or chain of thought, be kind, and present evidence to support all of your claims over there. thank you.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

They were nomadic because the land there was not able to be worked until modern times and modern tech. Also who is to say that if you are nomadic if you find a place to settle down you cant stop being a nomad? The Palis that claim relation to philistines and others in the area are not related by gentic testing. they just claim it to be so ir respective of the facts.

Many of the Palestinians are Jews. Much ,more Jews genetically speaking to the original Jews 2,000 years ago than the recent immigrants to Israel for Africa and Europe.

Russians and Ethiopians are not as Jewish as the locals in Jerusalem, it's so obvious. Those Palestinians are the Jews, they were just ethnically steam cleaned into Muslims by Saladin and his lot.

If you want real Jews go into Jerusalem and talk to the Arabs, they will tell you (some of them) their family was Jewish times back.

Lets investigate that remark.They are palestinians right? If you go by they lived there IN THE AREA of palestine originally you are correct since the romans called ALL OF THEM Palestinian as punishment.

MODERN palis ARE NOT RELATED THOUGH. is what i am saying. THOSE were the ones DNA tested.

Still their was no formal country of palestine. "the area of palestine" is not a country.

a reply to: amazing

Well, sure, that makes sense. Israel becomes a nation, so these other arab countries tell their folks to move into the area in and around Israel. While they're at it, start a family. That way their children can lay claim to this territory as their "home." All that crap in the Bible about a promised land is just make believe.

This is a conspiracy site, right?

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
a reply to: amazing

Well, sure, that makes sense. Israel becomes a nation, so these other arab countries tell their folks to move into the area in and around Israel. While they're at it, start a family. That way their children can lay claim to this territory as their "home." All that crap in the Bible about a promised land is just make believe.

This is a conspiracy site, right?

Well the KGB told arafatt and the PLO how to do it by having kids there to claim native staus. My just like in CRIMEA and its native population of ethnic russians. Seeing a pattern here

originally posted by: Jobeycool
If Netanyahu loses let Israel and the world leaders learn the hard way.Jews will get mass murdered by radical muslims when a Palestine State is formed and goes to war with Israel.Then Israel will wipe out Palestine, Hamas and Hezbollah once and for all.Like people cannot get it through their heads that radical islam will not change and will do all they can to destroy Israel.

You cannot tell hardheads or make them learn anything about radical muslims for nothing.Just let them learn the hard way.Iran will have a nuke and then all hell will break out with middle east nuclear arms race.How many times we warn of WW3 or Battle of Armageddon goes straight through their ears and out the other.They just do not understand.

Your argument fails because it puts no responsibility on Israel and the international community for pushing Palestinians off of their land and basically putting them into an open-air prison.

People do have the right to fight back you know.....

But sure, just chop all of the anger up to "radical Islam."

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

They were nomadic because the land there was not able to be worked until modern times and modern tech. Also who is to say that if you are nomadic if you find a place to settle down you cant stop being a nomad? The Palis that claim relation to philistines and others in the area are not related by gentic testing. they just claim it to be so ir respective of the facts.

Many of the Palestinians are Jews. Much ,more Jews genetically speaking to the original Jews 2,000 years ago than the recent immigrants to Israel for Africa and Europe.

Russians and Ethiopians are not as Jewish as the locals in Jerusalem, it's so obvious. Those Palestinians are the Jews, they were just ethnically steam cleaned into Muslims by Saladin and his lot.

If you want real Jews go into Jerusalem and talk to the Arabs, they will tell you (some of them) their family was Jewish times back.

Lets investigate that remark.They are palestinians right? If you go by they lived there IN THE AREA of palestine originally you are correct since the romans called ALL OF THEM Palestinian as punishment.

MODERN palis ARE NOT RELATED THOUGH. is what i am saying. THOSE were the ones DNA tested.

Still their was no formal country of palestine. "the area of palestine" is not a country.

That argument fails time and time again. Many anthropologists and geneticists completely disagree that modern Palestinians do not share real heritage with the ancient people of Canaan.

Furthermore, your argument about "formal country" simply doesn't answer any real question. There wasn't a real country called "Israel" either for almost 2000 years. And many of the Jews migrated very recently from Europe and other places. So they have no better claim.

There wasn't Israel before this past century, and most Jews did not live there. So...

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
a reply to: amazing

Well, sure, that makes sense. Israel becomes a nation, so these other arab countries tell their folks to move into the area in and around Israel. While they're at it, start a family. That way their children can lay claim to this territory as their "home." All that crap in the Bible about a promised land is just make believe.

This is a conspiracy site, right?

Well we know the bible isn't true and we know that most of the Palestinian people living there were born there. They just kind of got a raw deal when they were born. Not their fault. So what would reasonable people do?