I am Christian. If your world view is more rational than mine please come show me.

a reply to: nonspecific

The question was simply if God is perfect in all his attributes how many evil actions can he allow to go without judgment?

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

The christian god is a rehashing of pagan gods! who are extra terrestrial!

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

yeah Masons are WEAK...

tell him to follow me and I'll turn him into a god!


I take the first insult, that is all.

a reply to: metalholic

Care to give any evidence for that? While i think their is good evidence for ET I probably interpret what ET are much differently than you. I think ET, if they are real, are what the Bible calls nephilim. I believe it is one of the possible Great deception scenarios.(Maybe not the most likely but possible) That satan will masquerade as an enlightened ET come to help mankind in a moment of turmoil. He will claim that he or his race created humans and have much knowledge into the inner workings of the world, and eventually claim to be God. Again not the most likely scenario but possible. And of course everything I am saying is mere speculation on the future but thought you might find it interesting.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

No you did not.

You have not given a simple answer.
Why does GOD not just forgive SATAN?

Why would you put your trust in a "god" that tells you in one verse to "pretty much not kill others" but 2 verses later he tells you to go out and kill anyone that is a "dreamer of dreams" and is the main annihilator of massive amounts of deaths ?

I am not bashing you..I am only curious...
There are alot of others on the site that have been through your trials my friend............I noticed that everytime I asked the universe "WHY"...it would lead me through a series of unbelievable circumstances that would eventually give me an answer...Lots of times I did not like what I was told...Hope you are up for that!!!..Kinda like a woman telling you that you are not her type....lol

I hope you find yours...

ISO

a reply to: isofakingwetoddid

No you did not. You have not given a simple answer. Why does GOD not just forgive SATAN?

Friend the answer to the question answers your question. If your not willing to put any thought in then why shoudl I? I am trying to get you to really think about my side of things. When you answer the question you will see that it explains why God cannot just forgive Satan.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: nonspecific

The question was simply if God is perfect in all his attributes how many evil actions can he allow to go without judgment?

I simply cannot answer that question.

You are asking me to answer a question that requires me to assume that the biblical god exists and to base my answer on the same premise. It would be wrong of me to answer that as I do not have the faith that is required to do so.

Could you re phrase the question in such a way I could answer it please.

I would not expect you to do any different.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Also, the mural you posted has Roman goddesses flanking Washington and even the "e pluribus unum" is Latin, the official language of Rome. You seem to have bolstered his claim if anything.

that is a Greek Goddess... I will let you figure it out, but pay attention to her hat.

Greek first gets run through Latin then into English.

Also the origins of these sayings are Greek origin, as is the fasces.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

additionally...

there is not one single Roman lawmakers face on the facade of the Supreme Court Building...

I find that odd... a bunch of Jewish and Greek lawmakers. (including yes... Moses)

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CRAP! Augustus is on there... I was wrong.

The South Wall Frieze includes figures of lawgivers from the ancient world and includes Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, and Augustus.

The North Wall Frieze shows lawgivers from the Middle Ages on and includes representations of Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemagne, John of England, Louis IX of France, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon. The Moses frieze depicts him holding the Ten Commandments, although only commandments six through ten, usually considered the more secular commands, are visible.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

WHAT??????

That is the most "circular thought" I have ever come across...

Just answer the question...

How come this GOD (not yours) doesn't just forgive his ARCH enemy and be done with it and we all live in a perfect world?

Here is another one for you...Go through your bible and just ask yourself who was there and who saw it and who really wrote it down...

That answered alot for me..

And NO.."The answer to my question answers my question" sounds like some of my friends on crack.....Cmon....

ISO

a reply to: nonspecific

I simply cannot answer that question. You are asking me to answer a question that requires me to assume that the biblical god exists and to base my answer on the same premise. It would be wrong of me to answer that as I do not have the faith that is required to do so.

The question is not about the biblical God. Lets pose it as a philosophical dilemma:

if God(a creator of the universe) exist, then he is the essence of Good(perfect in all attributes related to Good). If God(the creator of the universe) is the essence of Good, then God is perfectly Just.

So the question then, How many evil actions can God allow to go unjudged is simply about the nature of the moral God I rationalized with the moral argument earlier. This definitely needs to be answered before we can determine whether God is just in the OT. Again remember the order in which I came to my conclusion and it will help us stay on some what common ground. You are wanting to jump straight into the Bible. All I have done is given you a reason to believe in a creator God who is the essence of good. I myself even admitted that it would only bring you to the concept of a God not my God. I get that you are trying to understand how I could possibly think the OT God is moral. That will come, or maybe we will disagree. Either of which is fine with me.

a reply to: isofakingwetoddid

Thats not ciricular at all. I told you the answer to my question is the answer to your question. I won't answer it for you, because the answer is very very simple. I am assuming you know what the answer is and don't want to admit it.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: nonspecific

I simply cannot answer that question. You are asking me to answer a question that requires me to assume that the biblical god exists and to base my answer on the same premise. It would be wrong of me to answer that as I do not have the faith that is required to do so.

The question is not about the biblical God. Lets pose it as a philosophical dilemma:

if God(a creator of the universe) exist, then he is the essence of Good(perfect in all attributes related to Good). If God(the creator of the universe) is the essence of Good, then God is perfectly Just.

So the question then, How many evil actions can God allow to go unjudged is simply about the nature of the moral God I rationalized with the moral argument earlier. This definitely needs to be answered before we can determine whether God is just in the OT. Again remember the order in which I came to my conclusion and it will help us stay on some what common ground. You are wanting to jump straight into the Bible. All I have done is given you a reason to believe in a creator God who is the essence of good. I myself even admitted that it would only bring you to the concept of a God not my God. I get that you are trying to understand how I could possibly think the OT God is moral. That will come, or maybe we will disagree. Either of which is fine with me.

I will try to answer within your terms but please remember they are your terms not mine. This means I have to assume that a creator god is also perfectly just.

And here i my problem, I am not trying to be annoying, or to argue or derail you.

I just can't do it,

If god is so great in any form. If he created everything and is all seeing. Then why would he care on such a tiny level. why would he need my love or adoration? Why would he need me to do all these things.

I wrote a lot more but kept on deleting it.

Sorry I cannot answer your question but I just cant and I feel good about it that not bad.

I hope you understand.

a reply to: AinElohim

Romans derived their pantheon directly from the Greek one, their pantheon is pretty much identical to that of the Greeks. Name any Greek god or goddess and it will have a Roman equivalent. The Romans added a few of their own gods to the mix but they have an equivalent to every Greek god.

There is a carving of Muhammad in the Supreme Court, by your logic our law is based on Islamic law as well.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: AinElohim
Name any Greek god or goddess and it will have a Roman equivalent

No... name any Roman God it's likely to have a Greek origin or equivelent.

There is a carving of Muhammad in the Supreme Court, by your logic our law is based on Islamic law as well.

No... God is in the Building, those up there with muhammad are who he controls. That's why CAIR wants it off so bad.


Rev 19:12
His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.

a reply to: AinElohim

So now your own logic fails you? Just because George Washington is painted on a mural with Moses doesn't mean our law is based on Christian/Judaic law. Why is it okay to make the argument for Moses and not Muhammad?

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

My worldview simply changes when there is more accurate information available.


IMO a worldview that remains stagnant which doesn't change when new and better information becomes available is doomed to become irrelevant.

But............You still didn't answer the question...

Forget your thought of who I might be.

Just answer the question.

Why would this loving, all forgiving, just God in all his knowledge, just forgive this thing he created (SATAN) and be done with it and just move on to making newer and better worlds/earths/etc.....

Just answer the question with an answer.....Please don't do the circular thought thing with me.....Thanks

ISO

a reply to: nonspecific

I will try to answer within your terms but please remember they are your terms not mine. This means I have to assume that a creator god is also perfectly just.

If their is a moral code in reality then the creator God must be the essence of Good. Do you disagree with the premise that Perfect Justice is Good?

If god is so great in any form. If he created everything and is all seeing. Then why would he care on such a tiny level. why would he need my love or adoration? Why would he need me to do all these things.

My response will not be so detached and logical on this one.

God doesn't need you to do anything. The parents of a child simply love their kids and want to know them. God loves you and wants to know you. Its good for a child to have a loving relationship with their parents. The feelings of a parent toward a child are often used as typification's for the relationship of God to man. A loving parent wouldn't force their child to come home to them. God will not force you home. If you want to remain separate from him he will allow it. Hell is called a place of torment because it is a place entirely absent of the presence of God. If God is the essence of Good, then Hell has no Good. The reason the question is so hard for you to answer friend is the same reason most people turn from the truth. The answer to my question shows that if God is real and the essence of Good any evil no matter how small should be judged by the God.

Now the next question I would ask you is one i struggled with for a while and you can decline to answer this one as well, but "If God is the essence of Good, then he must also be Perfectly merciful."

Now to a much more complex dilemma:

If God is perfectly Just, then he must Judge all evil. If God is perfectly merciful, the he must show compassion to all that deserve judgement.

An interesting dilemma. It puts God in a pickle. How is God to act without impending on one of his perfect attributes. Though I have no scripture to go to for this. I believe this is exactly why Satan deceived us in the first place. Satan bet that God couldn't reconcile with rebellious creature without impending upon these attributes. I believe Satan did this in attempt to prove that God was not perfect. For if he is not perfect he is not God.

If you were God how would you answer the dilemma?

a reply to: Grimpachi

I would agree. I don't think my world view is stagnant as Scientific advancements always seem to give me a much better understanding of God and my world view than I previously had. However if it were to unequivocally disprove my world view I would have to change it.