Petition seeking treason charges for Iran letter hits 100,000 signatures

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well you don't really come across as a moderate. Just saying. Maybe a Libertarian waste deep in liberal water? Maybe I am a libertarian waste deep in conservative water or something.

I'm not going to sit here and list my political beliefs and ideals to appease some random woman on the internet who refuses to believe my words, especially since it is off topic. My political beliefs aren't on trial here. If you are really curious about them then PM me.

a reply to: BlueMule


He is one of the top, like top 3 debaters I spar with in here.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well you don't really come across as a moderate. Just saying. Maybe a Libertarian waste deep in liberal water? Maybe I am a libertarian waste deep in conservative water or something.

I'm not going to sit here and list my political beliefs and ideals to appease some random woman on the internet who refuses to believe my words, especially since it is off topic. My political beliefs aren't on trial here. If you are really curious about them then PM me.

See you got to love this guy! If its a firefight you want he/she? will always give you one. Have a good day dude.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The White House ripped Senate Republicans for their attempt to undermine negotiations with Iran, and stopped just short of accusing the 47 Republicans who signed a letter to Iranian government of treason. Press Secretary Josh Earnest was asked about the Senate Republican letter to Iran where they promised to undermine any agreement that President Obama makes on their nuclear program....

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest accused Senate Republicans of trying to undermine President Obama, “I think the other thing that is notable here is that when you have a letter that is signed by forty-seven senators of the same party being sent to a leader of a foreign country, it raises some legitimate questions about the intent of the letter…It’s surprising to me there are some Republican senators who are seeking to establish a backchannel with hardliners in Iran to undermine an agreement with Iran and the international community.”

www.politicususa.com...

a reply to: StoutBroux

Sooo... Obama and co make a statement "just short of calling it treason" and in response a citizen makes a petition to that effect. So now explain to me how Obama got the 200,000 people to sign the petition.

So does that mean we can blame Boehner for all the petitions asking for Obama's impeachment?

a reply to: Krazysh0t


Obama should know better than to imply it was treason. He shouldn't say things like hes going to do something anyway beside of congress or the constitution or fall back on default executive orders.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatfish
It's almost like treason on a global scale.

Please point out what is treasonous

I already have and it's becoming ever more apparent that attempting to explain it to you again is a futile effort.

You're only going to hear what you want to hear and I doubt I have anything available in that category.

I just really doubt that anything you have said here amounts to treason. You're just of the opinion that what has been done is treasonous. So really, no explanation is needed from you. Your hate has been prevalent throughout this site for those that think other than you.

I want to see you actually provide proof that this is treasonous, because if it really is, then damn near every Democrat will go down the drain as well.

If that's the case, Good riddance I say!

originally posted by: TDawgRex

I want to see you actually provide proof that this is treasonous, because if it really is, then damn near every Democrat will go down the drain as well.

If that's the case, Good riddance I say!

Perfect time to drain the swamp, and the emperor actually has no clothes.

Let's get rid of them all and put in new guidelines for campaign funding, term limits, and removing all forms of lobbyists.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Obama should know better than to imply it was treason. He shouldn't say things like hes going to do something anyway beside of congress or the constitution or fall back on default executive orders.

Like I said, both parties do the same crap. Obama is just taking a cue from the Republican play book that he is intimately familiar with since the Republicans have been running the same damn play his entire Presidency. I'm not here to justify it or defend him. I'm just calling it how I see it.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

If they attempt under the Logan Act, they will fail.

This is childish banter. The Dems cannot claim victory on this ridiculous accusation any more than the Republicans could. They need to ALL put on their big kids undies and act like adults. Both parties are in the wrong and have been wronged. Get the hell over it and do your jobs!

237,000

I see the reason for this petitions rapid growth this as two fold reaction to the situation, the first has been beat to death is party politics.



The second is a little more dangerous when you think about it...


...recently the public has had a very low opinion of our congress critters.



Edit:

I think lobbyist, politicians and sedition charges needs to be looked into,


hang them all. lol's

originally posted by: wantsome
Inviting a foreign leader to give a speech to undercut foreign policy of executive branch of our government is by definition treason.

No, it isn't.

Edit for second line. What you described is completely legal and allowed. There is nothing that says congress has to follow the presidents wishes. All we've seen in the past few weeks from the Republicans is the removal of a tradition that the US speaks with one foreign policy voice. Putting out multiple contradictory messages isn't a good thing, but at the same time it isn't illegal and it's most certainly not treason which has a specific definition.

a reply to: Logarock
The issue on Iran, is not just between the USA and Iran, but with 5 different countries all involved. Here are the parties involved:

Iran, United States of America, China, France, Germany, Russia, and the United Kingdom. All but Germany and Iran sit on the UN Security council. So this is not just the USA going at it alone, but all of the delegates with all of those other countries. So the USA hammers out a deal with Iran, but it will require all of the other states: China, France, Germany, Russia, and the United Kingdom, to sign off on the deal. And then it has to go to the UN Security council to agree to it.

The Republicans can sit there and moan and groan about this upcoming talks, but the reality is that if this is done before Obama leaves office, the next President would be hard press to undo it, and if he did, would have to show justification on such, or would many advocate the loss of many more allies out there that the USA has. The reality is that the USA is not considered very highly in any ones eyes any more, and many of those traditional allies of the USA are slowly putting more distance between the USA and their countries. We do not need to further lose any more allies or cause any more strife. And if a peace deal can be reached and bring say Iran to be able to one day have diplomatic relations with the USA and the rest of the world, it would be a very good thing and go a long way to actually having peace in different parts of the world.

Whether we like it or not, Iran is a major player in the area and region, from Afganistan to Syria. Time we stopped listening to the drums of war and started to ring out the bells of peace.

How is it a violation of the Logan Act?

The Logan Act is to prevent anyone other than the Government from Negotiating with foreign governments in an official manner, or interfering in negotiations.

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects

I know it may seem like they interfered in negotiations but they didn't. They only informed Iran that any deal had to pass Congress, or it would be meaningless. The Administration Negotiates, then Congress approves/disapproves. So they are therefore by default, part of the complete process. If they are part of the process, they can write letters. Just because Obama knows that the treaty would not pass, and doesn't like it, doesn't give him the right to tell Iran that it would be.

Now, Pay close attention to that second part there. It's VERY important, and very vague on purpose. Most sites I've only seen them posting the first part.

If you want to STILL think this is Treason, then using that second part of the Act, Congress, (yes mostly Republicans, but elected officials none the less) felt wronged by both OUR Government and Iran's Government, and they wrote a letter simply telling them that the negotiations with the Administration were not going to be approved by Congress. So, the redress they sought in their perceived injury was to inform Iran that the deal as it stood was without merit, and if the Administration was presenting it as if it were, they were misrepresenting.

So, call it Treason all you want. Sign whatever petition you want, it changes nothing. These are not mere "citizens" these were Elected Officials of the United States Government, who are part of the process of approving Treaties. Speaking FOR the people that voted for them. Simply because you don't like it is irrelevant.

Probably started by the White House. Where is the one for Obama and his actions against America?

a reply to: daveinats

What actions are those?

Who knows maybe Obama will do something since he's on his way out, if he does he might just save his legacy in the presidency. Those 47 should be immediately 'fired' forever. As a matter of fact, I'd be happy with the whole lot of them fired.

They do not represent any American citizens I know, they are all just lining their own pockets, passing laws and regulations to benefit themselves and their shell companies/buddies companies. Democrat, Republican doesn't matter they are in it for themselves.

The hubris is disgusting. Any politician that puts any other country before it's American citizens should be thrown in jail for treason. There shouldn't be 1 American citizen starving, especially children while they go and give TRILLIONS to other countries, with OUR taxes. It's just evil.

If 'they' won't say or do anything about it, we should ask Sheriff Arpaio to pick some of his best guys, along with any other citizens that feel up to it, march over to Washington and make citizen's (or whatever term you want to use) arrests on them! Now THAT would show the world, and more importantly our children and other politicians, that the good ole' American's are still alive and kickin'.

And no more God-damned wars. If a politician votes for war, they, their kids,& grandkids have to be sent to the front lines. That should be put in the constitution!

247,256

originally posted by: daveinats
Probably started by the White House. Where is the one for Obama and his actions against America?

Go ahead and start one, dude. I double dog dare you.

Excuse Number 1: #47Traitors In Retreat - Now Say They Were Just Joking - GOP Senators Denounce Each Other

Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle.

Excuse Number 2: McCain's breathtaking defense of signing the Iran letter: "I sign lots of letters"

Oy!

Excuse Number 3: Republicans Blame Obama For Tom Cotton Letter

But those who support the letter -- even some who didn't add their names -- deflected the blame. If it weren't for Obama's failure to consult lawmakers about the negotiations, or his threatened veto of a proposed bill to give Congress the final vote on a nuclear agreement, senators wouldn't have had to speak out in the first place, they argued.

Pa-the-tic.

Excuse Number 4: Iran letter blowback startles GOP John McCain: “It was kind of a very rapid process. Everybody was looking forward to getting out of town because of the snowstorm.”

Blame the snow.

Here's the blowback they wished for...

Khamenei slams Republican letter on Iran, hits at U.S. 'backstabbing'

Mehr quoted Khamenei as saying: "Of course I am worried, because the other side is known for opacity, deceit and backstabbing."

"Every time we reach a stage where the end of the negotiations is in sight, the tone of the other side, specifically the Americans, becomes harsher, coarser and tougher. This is the nature of their tricks and deceptions."

The negotiations, which resume in Lausanne, Switzerland, next week, are at a critical juncture as the sides try to meet an end of March target for an interim deal, with a final deal in June.

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originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Obama should know better than to imply it was treason. He shouldn't say things like hes going to do something anyway beside of congress or the constitution or fall back on default executive orders.

It was treasonous, Obama should have come out before the letter was sent and informed them they would be charged to the fullest extent of the law.


This is literally the first time I have I've seen politicians do something like this.

They start one constantly (petitions to idk deport Obama), it's just always for a made up reason, never a real one. How millions of people fall for such obvious propaganda is beyond me.



The conservative media complex knows they are talking to morons so there is no need to come up with good lies. At least the dems know they have to be smart about there lies because there base checks.

All fox has to do is pretend "the MSM (aka all non american conservative sites) won't tell you this". Even tho all sites use the same stories. If the idiots ever changed the channel they would see that.

Or they point at one example of obvious criminal fraud by a welfare queen and pretend everyone on welfare is just like her.


Or they pretend that this one thing that taxes pay for should be stopped because "I shouldn't have to pay for that!" While ignoring the thousand black bag operations and such they are paying for too.


I'm not a fan of the dems but Jesus how do you fall for such unintelligent propaganda I will never know.