Judge bans a man from smoking in HIS OWN HOME!!

a reply to: thesaneone

In the right hands they're perfectly safe. In the story you posted above, the man was using a "Mechanical Mod" which is highly unrecommended unless you REALLY know what you're doing, and an Aspire Atlantis tank, which is a sub ohm tank that draws a LOT on the battery unless you're using the right ones.

What happened here is that this guy was using the WRONG kind of battery in the WRONG device. I have an atlantis tank myself and know full well that it's sub-ohm and to take precautions when deciding on what kind of battery to use. Again, this never would have happened in the hands of an experienced vape user. Such as myself. So while I have no danger of blowing my kissing lips off, I also have no danger of the myriad of health problems that come from traditional cigarettes.

I consider it a win-win.

I have a friend who lives in a duplex. The tenant on the other side of the duplex is training for olympic chain smoking. Thanks to the construction of the place, with no fire wall and connections between the HVAC system on both sides, his house smells like he is right there chain smoking with her. It really is terrible. It permeates all of his clothing and fabrics, and it utterly destroys his undisturbed enjoyment of the property.

If for instance this home owner is in a similar arrangement, the issue is as much about the rights of the neighbors to not have their property unjustly disturbed (and in a way they may not be able to escape).

If it is such a structural arrangement, then I would submit that the original article may be quite sensationalist, and aimed at evoking outrage at what may be a reasonable concern. $500,000 is not a sane monetary value regardless though, and I think it is more a matter of having the folks kindly smoke outside if the situation is as I am supposing it may be.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Anyafaj

In that case, all the sister has to do is bring it up to code. Legally, that is the extent of her obligation. If the neighbors still don't like it, there's really nothing legally they can do (other than move), if it really is up to code.

Quite honestly, that's very true. If I were the sister, I would bring it up to code, MY way, and if they don't like it, they can take a flying leap. But that's just me.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: Anyafaj

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: kaylaluv

Does vaping count? I mean, I was pretty heavy smoker for much of late teens and into my 20s. Switched to vaping about 5 years ago.

Vaping and using e-cigs are supposed to be safer, but some communities are actually trying to make them illegal. Want to guess why? They're cheaper than regular cigarettes, therefore YOU save money, the city loses out on money. They don't like that. They want you to spend, spend, spend! So, they want you to buy regular cigarettes. With higher taxes of course, that the cities get to enjoy!


Quitting time

Or maybe it's because of the dangers of some e-cigarettes.
losangeles.cbslocal.com...

I'll take my chances with a real smoke besides nothing satisfies the addiction like the real thing.

I've never been stupid enough to try and smoke IN BED, so I've never had that problem. I mean heck, cell phones are supposed to explode too, but you don't see me putting them under my pillow at night either. Let's face it, if something has a slight off chance of possibly, maybe, could be exploding, how about not putting it anywhere near flammable items. I mean, the same could be said for a, oh I don't know, a flaming cigarette. You know, you're smoking the real thing, getting tired, it falls out of your hand, into your bed, and BOOM, Farrah Fawcett is back with the Burning Bed! Everything is a caution nowadays! Let's be honest with each other here! They don't put warnings about hair dryers and water just because they look pretty.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun


Or maybe it's because of the dangers of some e-cigarettes.
losangeles.cbslocal.com...

I'll take my chances with a real smoke besides nothing satisfies the addiction like the real thing.

Or maybe some idiots shouldn't be fiddling with their e-cigs and overcharging them.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Kind of hard to kiss the boys if your lips are blown off from those e-cigs.

Not telling anyone what to do just posting on how they can be dangerous.

Are you a tobacco exec not making as much money anymore and are looking to get your big bucks back? What do you care what people smoke, IF at all?

a reply to: Anyafaj

I remember reading about an overcharged e-cig failing on someone at a vapor competition (Yes, those are a thing.) Although, instead of exploding outwards and injuring the user and those around him, the bottom of the battery failed and the whole thing punched a hole in the roof of the vape shop.

Didn't hurt his hand at all because he already protecting his hand with a leather glove and a dish towel, (Because he said it was getting hot. Gee, maybe not use it if you need freakin' GLOVES to handle it because it's hot?) and nobody else was harmed. Just a big boom, hole in the ceiling. Needless to say, he lost that competition.

originally posted by: joeraynor
I have a friend who lives in a duplex. The tenant on the other side of the duplex is training for olympic chain smoking. Thanks to the construction of the place, with no fire wall and connections between the HVAC system on both sides, his house smells like he is right there chain smoking with her. It really is terrible. It permeates all of his clothing and fabrics, and it utterly destroys his undisturbed enjoyment of the property.

If for instance this home owner is in a similar arrangement, the issue is as much about the rights of the neighbors to not have their property unjustly disturbed (and in a way they may not be able to escape).

If it is such a structural arrangement, then I would submit that the original article may be quite sensationalist, and aimed at evoking outrage at what may be a reasonable concern. $500,000 is not a sane monetary value regardless though, and I think it is more a matter of having the folks kindly smoke outside if the situation is as I am supposing it may be.

In this situation, it seems it's more a shared chimney, or something or other, and the chimney has holes that is not up to code, causing his smoke to go into their house, somehow. I wish to hell, some news article would get off it's tail and just draw one dang diagram! LOL The family with children offered to get said chimney up to code, but the smoker's sister who owns the house said no because she fears the family would have a say in HOW the chimney is done and if it's not done to the family's liking, then sister would have to redo it, and yadda, yadda. So said negotiations broke down, family had enough, sued the BROTHER who lives IN the home, judge ordered temporary injunction to stop smoking "for now", but the family is ALSO suing for $500,000!! So we'll see where THAT ends up.

a reply to: Anyafaj



I'm not judging anyone so take a deep breath, I just put up an article that shows that it's not as safe as everyone claims and besides that it has only been studied for a few years so we really don't know if there are any long term affects from vaping.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: Anyafaj

I remember reading about an overcharged e-cig failing on someone at a vapor competition (Yes, those are a thing.) Although, instead of exploding outwards and injuring the user and those around him, the bottom of the battery failed and the whole thing punched a hole in the roof of the vape shop.

Didn't hurt his hand at all because he already protecting his hand with a leather glove and a dish towel, (Because he said it was getting hot. Gee, maybe not use it if you need freakin' GLOVES to handle it because it's hot?) and nobody else was harmed. Just a big boom, hole in the ceiling. Needless to say, he lost that competition.

LOL What a dumb@$$! LOL Got to love the idiots trying to win the Darwin Awards. LOL Now and then if I'm on my cellphone too long, I can feel it getting hot, I'm not an idiot and put it on my pillow and talk longer though. I get off my phone, let it cool down, then charge it. NEVER, EVER, EVER, put it on my bed! All this talk of phones catching on fire on the beds, or exploding on the beds, all I think is you morons! I just need to see 2-3 news reports of it and I know DO NOT PUT PHONE ON BED. DUH! LOL

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Anyafaj



I'm not judging anyone so take a deep breath, I just put up an article that shows that it's not as safe as everyone claims and besides that it has only been studied for a few years so we really don't know if there are any long term affects from vaping.

I'm not mad. I'm just curious. It just seemed as if you were jumping on people, so I was curious as to the why. And you are correct, we don't know the long term. I can tell you, e-cigarettes helped me to quit regular cigarettes. I used to smoke a half a pack a day. I haven't had ANY cigarettes since December. Period. Not even an E-cig. I still keep the e-cig in my purse though for emergencies if I have a panic attack in my car while driving.

a reply to: thesaneone

You know those fog machines they use at concerts?

It's the exact same chemical and process. The long term effects would be known by now if fog machines were harmful in any way. The only difference between a fog machine and an e-cig is the addition of nicotine and flavoring. I agree with you to an extent, e-cigs may, MAY have some small underlying danger or harmful side-effect. But the Chinese have been using e-cigs for a good decade now, and technically e-cigs have been around since the late 60's.

Any long-term effect will become apparent in the very near future. I don't expect there to be any, but I will personally apologize to you if it comes out that there is.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: thesaneone

You know those fog machines they use at concerts?

It's the exact same chemical and process. The long term effects would be known by now if fog machines were harmful in any way. The only difference between a fog machine and an e-cig is the addition of nicotine and flavoring. I agree with you to an extent, e-cigs may, MAY have some small underlying danger or harmful side-effect. But the Chinese have been using e-cigs for a good decade now, and technically e-cigs have been around since the late 60's.

Any long-term effect will become apparent in the very near future. I don't expect there to be any, but I will personally apologize to you if it comes out that there is.

Seriously? I had no idea they've been out that long! WOW!

originally posted by: dawnstar
or if you had a workshop in that basement and liked making things out of wood the smell of sawdust, paints, glue and what have you would be just a dangerous probably more so

to be consistent the judge would have to order you to stop your hobby and well possible money maker!

If paint fumes were seeping into an adjoining row house because there were structural problems an owner refused to fix and a judge intervened we would not be having this conversation. No one would side with the person allowing toxic fumes to permeate a neighbor's house.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: dawnstar
or if you had a workshop in that basement and liked making things out of wood the smell of sawdust, paints, glue and what have you would be just a dangerous probably more so

to be consistent the judge would have to order you to stop your hobby and well possible money maker!

If paint fumes were seeping into an adjoining row house because there were structural problems an owner refused to fix and a judge intervened we would not be having this conversation. No one would side with the person allowing toxic fumes to permeate a neighbor's house.

Got any other unrealistic noxious gases that are NOT happening at the moment but you'd like to call out to try and make the situation seem worse than it is? Any Nitrous you want to put in your car?

a reply to: Anyafaj

Did you see that it was a response to some one using that train of thought?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Anyafaj

Did you see that it was a response to some one using that train of thought?

Sremmos, Yes, that was MY response. Let's be honest here. It's not as if the man painted his whole house, tented it up, boarded all his windows, made sure ALL the, fumes were sure to go to the next door neighbors house. C'mon, give me a break here. Massive difference between paint fumes, and cigarettes, yes, cigarettes have toxins. We get it! But it is NOT the same as PAINTING your house! One cigarette, is no where NEAR going to equate. You're talking to a fellow smoker who quit. We don't have to keep beating the dead horse. After awhile, it gets old seeing it over and over again and again, but you're right. I should apologize.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: dawnstar
or if you had a workshop in that basement and liked making things out of wood the smell of sawdust, paints, glue and what have you would be just a dangerous probably more so

to be consistent the judge would have to order you to stop your hobby and well possible money maker!

If paint fumes were seeping into an adjoining row house because there were structural problems an owner refused to fix and a judge intervened we would not be having this conversation. No one would side with the person allowing toxic fumes to permeate a neighbor's house.

I should apologize to you. I haven't had any sleep in 2 days so I'm a little off today and not my usual cheerful self. I shouldn't have lashed. I'm sorry. I was a little harsh. Please forgive me.

a reply to: Anyafaj

Meh a toxin is a toxin but I will agree that is not what is happening right now.

We are talking smoke not paint fumes.
We are also not just taking one cigarette either, as a former smoker, how often was it you only had one?

originally posted by: Anyafaj

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: dawnstar
or if you had a workshop in that basement and liked making things out of wood the smell of sawdust, paints, glue and what have you would be just a dangerous probably more so

to be consistent the judge would have to order you to stop your hobby and well possible money maker!

If paint fumes were seeping into an adjoining row house because there were structural problems an owner refused to fix and a judge intervened we would not be having this conversation. No one would side with the person allowing toxic fumes to permeate a neighbor's house.

I should apologize to you. I haven't had any sleep in 2 days so I'm a little off today and not my usual cheerful self. I shouldn't have lashed. I'm sorry. I was a little harsh. Please forgive me.

Thanks for the apology. I appreciate it. No blood, no foul!