Black Budget Programs Proven by Snowden

Is that were they made them uh TR-3Bs? huh?

I too am starting to think this whole Snowden thing is just another faucet for the industrial military complex. Think about it, rather than wait for the inevitable whistle blower to come out on their own, fabricate one yourself so you have full control over what gets disclosed and what doesn't. That's how they operate.

Release the truth in such infinitesimal amounts over a long period of time, everyone accepts it as the norm. Just like your rights. Slowly and systematically take them away over time, people forget they even had them to begin with.

Time and ignorance. Man's greatest enemy.

a reply to: indiancasinomafiadidit

ummmm....ok.

Welcome to ATS!

Interesting take on it all...

Try using paragraphs and full sentences. Clear thoughts.

It's just easier for all to read that way.

Why Interpol? Why specifically that agency to oversee a sovereign nations federal police and intelligence? And why would any of those even begin to work for any of those parties involved?

I know I throw this word out there a lot on this forum, and for good reason I feel.

I know and recognize that people have speculated for YEARS about what kind of observation/intelligence gathering capabilities the US has/uses on their own citizens. I can remember when I was younger and being amazed, and also thinking that certainly it couldn't be true, that the Government could listen to/record your phone call if a few keywords were said.

Unless you are a government employee for one of the major intelligence networks in the United States, or their IT guy with unlimited access (like snowden, who DID have privac to almost EVERY SINGLE SERVER) .. I will no longer speculate and flat-out state that you did not have ANY clue as the to magnitude OR depth of the programs they were actively employing against you.

NObody could have predicted all the ways they can keep track of you, even being able to watch you if the circumstance permits. I don't want to come off as sounding like a Snowden supporter and keep a neutral bias here, but I would like to tell EVERYONE who has an interest in these matters to watch Citizenfour. Won the Oscar for best docu, and it literally has the carmeras right there with Snowden as the story is breaking and he is giving out details of the programs they use. Even going as far as to say that anybody on a computer working in the places he did could view a live feed from one of MANY drones hovering all over the world. Didn't know the operation details behind the image, but could just watch/spy anytime they wanted, anywhere they wanted. That's just your average desk-jockey in one of these programs.

Anyway, back to the point. I had never really looked at drone usage as a "global assassination program", even knowing they were armed with missiles. As a typical American response, I guess I just sort of thought "well, good. we can kill those terrorists better now!".

Then I remembered reading that law that allowed them to use those drones to kill US citizens..on our OWN soil to boot. The distance wasn't so great between here and there to me anymore. That's exactly what it is. It may have initially been a surveillance machine, but it's way more than that now. In the minds of the people they are using these against frequently, it has to be PRETTY damn terrifying. Take into consideration that there are also usually civilian casualties with their deployment. As a child, growing up with no stake in the conflicts, knowing that an American flying machine with bombs/missiles could come flying overhead and kill you without you EVER knowing would be very traumatizing. They are part of exactly what he said they are, a global assassination program, and regardless of your view on the ethics, you can't deny that. That's what they are, and that's what they are used for.

It's not so much picking a side about Snowden himself, it's about seeing things how they ARE. The facts he has released, while some may not be as damning as others, exposed the public to exactly what was going on in the dark corners of the government. I think he SHOULD be welcomed home as a hero, and he is right. This country is no longer "governed by the people" as it was supposed to be. It's now more like the "Ruling" and the "Ruled" and I hate it. I'm seriously considering becoming an expat and I've ALWAYS loved my country and been patriotic. He said from the beginning he didn't want to become the focus of this and take the picture OFF of the Government and what they had done/are doing. That's why he revealed himself before there was much headway into the investigation, to get it out of the way and give the government and the MSM less fluff to cloud the picture and distract the public.

Believe him or not, he showed us the truth and let us know just how bad the global monitoring/flying death machine program had become. These things are fact, and regardless of the messenger, the message remains the same.

The Manhatten project was a black program. So they exist no doubt about it. The only reason that project got revealed to public is because the deployed the weapon for use and its hard to hide a mile high mushroom cloud.

There is a picture of a mushroom cloud on mars circulating atm. I think that is a black op program in action of a nuclear test performed on another world. The technology exists to take play loads to Mars. So all that is required is a funded project to take a nuclear weapon to Mars and land it and detonate which is completely within realm of feasibility, and nature of a black program as the public would never support such a test.

a reply to: Bedlam

That was worth the investment of time to read. However, isn't that pedophilic, or necrophilic, or some sort of ick?

aHEMagain

And to think 30 billion dollars ends world hunger.
They could take the change and throw a 22 billion dollar
week long worldwide party to celebrate a real accomplishment.
One measly year of diverting OUR funds could help create a stability
this world has not yet seen.

Nah... let's blow **** up..

theyouthinformer.com...

originally posted by: aHEMagain
a reply to: Bedlam

That was worth the investment of time to read. However, isn't that pedophilic, or necrophilic, or some sort of ick?

aHEMagain

It's the only snip joke I knew off the bat.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
And to think 30 billion dollars ends world hunger...

...for at least 9 months. Then it's back to world hunger, with even more mouths.

Snowden is a fake created and sponsored by the good old CIA. Isn't it obvious? He was put there to purposely mislead conspiracies. He releases a little bit of truth and then a whole bunch of lies, thus making you think the lies are truth. It's obvious when you look into the guy he's a made up character. He's a highschool dropout that spent 5 months in the US Army Reserves. Then he goes and gets these badass jobs that require clearances and experience? Somethings not adding up here. Being a "computer wizard" doesn't get you jobs. Having certifications and a college degree does. I don't buy any bs from him.

originally posted by: lobograndemalo
It's obvious when you look into the guy he's a made up character. He's a highschool dropout that spent 5 months in the US Army Reserves. Then he goes and gets these badass jobs that require clearances and experience? Somethings not adding up here. Being a "computer wizard" doesn't get you jobs. Having certifications and a college degree does.

You know, you'd think that was true, wouldn't you? However...one of the most ultra Masters of the Universe I know of dropped out of a communications degree. He had a high school education and part of a communications degree, most certainly wasn't a drug virgin and has more clearance than John the Baptist. He walks on water, farts fireballs and generals throw themselves at his feet. I think compartmentalization lists come with his name preprinted on there just under "POTUS".

HE got there by writing an unsolicited paper for a military publication, after reading through one of his buddy's AvLeak piles. And it went "community viral", despite the author being a dope smoking hippie with no college degree. And the rest, as Paul Harvey would say, is history.

So, yeah, it can happen. Of course, it helps a lot that the guy is a savant of the Big Picture.

The black project budget is part of the annual budget. It's been public knowledge for a while. Do you really think so-many dollars for research and development of a secret aircraft should be spelled out in detail for hostile powers to learn about? Of course I'd like to know what they're working on, and how much is being spent on what. Not gonna find out until it gets openly deployed, like the stealth fighter was. I saw one up close when it went public. Soldiers with M-16s were guarding it. The TR3-B is only flown at night over NATO or U.S. airspace.
a reply to: lucifuge

originally posted by: Ensinger23
Believe him or not, he showed us the truth and let us know just how bad the global monitoring/flying death machine program had become. These things are fact, and regardless of the messenger, the message remains the same.

No, he showed us just how GOOD the global monitoring/flying death machine program has become. There are thousands and thousands of people who want me dead, and I'm happy to kill them first.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: lucifuge

There's a classified budget that can be looked up that tells you every year how much money goes into black projects. He didn't prove anything that hasn't been known for decades.

Just look back in history and you'll see it. They didn't suddenly build 60 F-117s and have them operational using public funds. They used classified program money.

Clearly the scariest ones are not openly funded but funded by the selling of drugs, weapons and probably women, boys and girls. Not on the books.

Funny how a man who helps to expose shady deals and government conspiracies himself becomes a conspiracy.