Black Budget Programs Proven by Snowden

Snowden’s done it again. Just when you thought he’d run out of secret documents detailing sordid government affairs, he releases yet another throve of shocking classified information. This time, the government has been proven to be funding Black Budget programs, according to a Washington Post report. The document in question can be found here: www.scribd.com...

This might come as no surprise to most historians (and probably most people in general thanks to Snowden) for the government has a long history of funding secretive organisations. The NSA, for one, was completely shrouded from the public eye for the first 8 years of its inception. The National Reconnaissance Office was kept secret for 30 years.

These secret programs are known as “Special Access Programs”,(SAP) or “Deep Black Programs” , with a senate report deeming them “so sensitive that they are exempt from standard reporting requirements to the Congress.”

The leaked documents seem to indicate that 52.6 billion dollars was the amount budgeted for SAPs. However Paul Hellyer , who is the former Canadian Minister of National Defence, seems to think that the budget should have been in the trillions rather than mere billions:



It is ironic that the U.S. would begin a devastating war, allegedly in search of weapons of mass destruction when the most worrisome developments in this field are occurring in your own backyard. It is ironic that the U.S. should be fighting monstrously expensive wars allegedly to bring democracy to those countries, when it itself can no longer claim to be called a democracy when trillions, and I mean thousands of billions of dollars have been spent on projects which both congress and the commander in chief know nothing about.



Congress inquiries have revealed that trillions of dollars are unaccounted for in the Federal Reserve System. Donald Rumsfeld was quoted as saying:

The financial systems of the department of defence are so snarled up that we can’t account for some $2.6 trillion in transactions that exist, if that’s believable

According to aviation Journalist Bill Sweetman (Sweetman, 2000), approximately 150 unaccounted SAPs exist, unknown to even the highest government and even military officials. These programs are apparently headed by private military industrial complex companies such as Boeing and Lockheed Martin.



Dwight Eissenhower, former 5-star general and former President of the US, warned against the influence of private industries on the military:

In the council of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential disaster of the rise of mis placed power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes

John F. Kennedy had similar sentiments regarding the military industrial Complex… Or perhaps it was communism? Strange stuff to say regardless:

The very word secrecy is repugnant, in a free and open society. And we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control.

We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence. On Infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumour is printed, no secret is revealed



The amount reserved for Black Budget programs are kept secret from the average person, but that technicality might soon be compromised thanks to Snowden and perhaps other heroic anti-spies.

Conspiracy theory has long been a term used by the mainstream media to characterise those who disagree with the stance they were told to take. Such names are designed to shut off critical thinking among viewers and render men who question the official story into pariahs. These days mainstream media is starting to take the same sort of undertone, thanks mostly due to their dogged stance of only portraying one side of certain stories (I don’t recall one mainstream source that was particularly against the Iraq war).

However, what’s good for the gander is not good for the goose, and indulging in such mind-numbing behavior should be avoided regardless of the source, “mainstream” or Conspiracy”, and readers should look instead at the facts that are presented.

Now for the most controversial of allegations: UFOs and even extra-terrestrials are of interest to the NSA according to their own declassified documents, proving either that the NSA is comprised of insane men that cannot be trusted with your naked photos(likely) or that the…. Secrets… being kept …are beyond our wildest imagination. Those NSA men be conspiracy theorists ah say.

I would believe what Snowden says about as much as I believe Obama.

Snowden is a **SNIP** joke.

a reply to: lucifuge

All I can say about the US elections is: Who counts the votes and do they use computers and the internet? See where I'm going with this?

Pay close attention to the news cycles two weeks before federal elections.

a reply to: highfromphoenix

Last time I checked the reason anyone ever listens to what Snowden says is only because documents are leaked to support his statements.

Besides, there's much more to this than simply Snowden spilling some beans - leaked documents aside, it's myopic to focus on him alone when it's obvious these programs really do exist & use insane amounts of unaccounted for tax payer funds.

If there wasn't any proof produced or evidence of what goes on behind the scenes then I may be inclined to agree with you...however...can't blame you for focusing only on one aspect of it since you're obviously high & live in Phoenix.

a reply to: lucifuge


World-renowned political dissident Noam Chomsky says NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden should be welcomed back to the United States as a hero. Meanwhile, those who authorized the government surveillance he exposed should be on trial, not him. Chomsky also argues that while mass surveillance has been ineffective in stopping terrorism, programs like the global U.S. drone war (which he called "drone assassination program") have helped spread terror to areas all around the world. "That’s a global assassination program, far and away the worst act of terror in the world. It’s also a terror-generating program." www.democracynow.org...

Soooo....Snowden "proved" something that's already been proven and is fairly common knowledge? That there's a black budget, and that black budget pays for black programs?

How revelatory.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Yes.
Maybe what just one of those black budget programs are actually doing with the money..... well now, that would be interesting.

a reply to: lucifuge

There's a classified budget that can be looked up that tells you every year how much money goes into black projects. He didn't prove anything that hasn't been known for decades.

Just look back in history and you'll see it. They didn't suddenly build 60 F-117s and have them operational using public funds. They used classified program money.

originally posted by: highfromphoenix
I would believe what Snowden says about as much as I believe Obama.

Snowden is a **SNIP** joke.

Whats a **SNIP**joke?

originally posted by: highfromphoenix
I would believe what Snowden says about as much as I believe Obama.

Snowden is a **SNIP** joke.

Snowden forced US to admit to spying

Snowden forced mighty NSA into spotlight

But I guess you don't think any of that is worthy achievement

Yeah I'd like to see your achievements

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: lucifuge

All I can say about the US elections is: Who counts the votes and do they use computers and the internet? See where I'm going with this?

Pay close attention to the news cycles two weeks before federal elections.

Exactly

Ah I don't know why I bother,

Those who know don't care and those who care don't know

a reply to: lucifuge

Congress inquiries have revealed that trillions of dollars are unaccounted for in the Federal Reserve System. Donald Rumsfeld was quoted as saying:

The financial systems of the department of defence are so snarled up that we can’t account for some $2.6 trillion in transactions that exist, if that’s believable

According to aviation Journalist Bill Sweetman (Sweetman, 2000), approximately 150 unaccounted SAPs exist, unknown to even the highest government and even military officials. These programs are apparently headed by private military industrial complex companies such as Boeing and Lockheed Martin.

The Rumsfeld statement was made a day or two before 9/11, just saying

And we all know how bad the U.S. is at keeping secrets however the only way to be successful at it, would be in the way described, compartmentalization.

I'm certainly interested in Boeing & Lockheed Martin being mentioned also, I think there's a UFO connection there somewhere.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

It was unaccounted for because each program uses different accounting software, and none of it talks to the main accounting program. So they were having to physically go into the program notes and find the payments and enter them into the main program.

Boeing, Lockheed, and Northrop Grumman are the main suppliers for large Aviation programs. Grumman is known for mostly UAV programs now but all three have current black projects in the works.

a reply to: lucifuge

If you watch the HBO ddocumentary on Snowden, Citizen Four, you'll discover that Snowden is not leaking docs. He passed the docs to 2 reporters. One reporter was forced to stop reporting in the UK, as I understood it. It is the 2nd reporter that is doing the current "leaks", not Snowden.

a reply to: lucifuge

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I must be getting old when I've seen every
single one of these documents before!

No particular surprise OTHER THAN
the personnel retirement/attrition rate
which is pretty precipitous for an agency
that's around 40,000 officially and probably
between 70,000 to 90,000 when you count
the sub-contractors, civvies and other intel
agency cooperative-funding special projects.

The sheer number of boomers and gen-X'ers
in their ranks retiring and moving out is going
to decimate their ranks within 5 to 10 years
if they don't start hiring younger people.

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In terms of funding, nothing I haven't seen before
although they probably SHOULD waaaaay increase
the IT budget back to the percentage levels spent
during 1982 to 1988. While computers are way cheaper
than in 1988, percentage-wise the NSA is spending about
1/3rd of what they did then when you take into account
available computer horsepower per employee per task.

By this I mean, how much percentage of time and system resources
does EACH employee need to meet a specific task objective today
versus what was needed in 1988.

For example: If a 1988 employee needed 600 hours of CPU time
to break a 56-bit DES encryption key and today's employee needs
900 hours of CPU time to break an equivalent difficulty-level 256-bit
AES encryption key, it means that Moore's Law isn't contributing to
a linear progression of time to task as I would expect over that last
25+ years of technology advancement at the NSA. When you compare
the amount of computer horsepower we have today versus what we
had in 1988, it SHOULD NOT BE taking 30% to 50% MORE TIME
to do the same difficulty-level of tasks today. It means from
a financial and employee time point of view, NOT ENOUGH
resources have been allocated to the IT department today
versus what resources and task-time were needed to accomplish
an objective of the same level of difficulty as in 1988.

YES! I do know that no-one here knows whether or not
it actually takes only 900 hours for the NSA to break an
AES-256 key, but the KEY POINT I'm trying to that for
the amount of time and horsepower that is available,
the time to task SHOULD BE FASTER or at the very least
the SAME as in 1988 because Moores Law states that
transistor count (which can equate to available
computer horsepower!) should be doubling every year!
And the amount of time it takes SHOULD NOT BE INCREASING
so badly as I see in various graphs and from personnel anecdotes
I've have been able to consult with on an informal basis.

The graphs in the link tell me that there is a
SEVERE LACK of Technology/IT budget being
applied to accomplish tasks that are quite a
bit more complex today than in 1988.

Ergo, they need MORE PERSONNEL, or better
yet, more and bigger IT systems with better
(i.e. more efficient) software.

Or to put it in plain old English,
the NSA is trying to pull a 30,000 pound
trailer with an F150 light duty truck when
they REALLY NEED to have and use an F450
Super Duty truck to to the heavy lifting.

Somebody is being EXCESSIVELY CHEAP
by trying to do an intelligence-gathering
task (i.e. Information Technology and base
Technology Infrastructure) on systems that
weren't designed to take the load and NSA
is also cheaping out by assigning 2 workers
to do a task that really needs 3 workers!

And I am making those assumptions by
applying what I know is needed to break
codes, sift through petabytes/yottabytes
of data with today's high end supercomputers,
workstations, GPU systems and custom array
processors. I know how much those things
cost and those graphs show a CLEAR LACK
of funding for not only for modern IT systems
but also the personnel young enough to take
advantage of the newer systems to DO such
tasks in a reasonable amount of time!

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Now in terms of FUNDING, it's nearly impossible to keep
track of 35 different intelligence and technology/research agencies
who are collectively spending this year over 59 BILLION DOLLARS
in terms of the UBER-SECRETIVE BLACK BUDGET.

NONE of the 4 DOD departments' accounting software
can talk to each other and each DOD department has accounting
and computer tracking SUB-SYSTEMS that can't even talk to each
within the SAME DEPARTMENT OR OFFICE much less keep major
control over the entire DOD!

So BILLIONS will be wasted just on accounting costs ALONE!

originally posted by: highfromphoenix
I would believe what Snowden says about as much as I believe Obama.

Snowden is a **SNIP** joke.

Why? That does not make any sense, considering that what Snowden has leaked are OFFICIAL documents. It is not as if he is making claims about government documents or programs that do not exist, like Gary McKinnon did, and which he cannot back up factually. Actually, seeing your comments about Obama it all makes sense to me now. Without that comment I would have been perplexed that you could logically arrive at the conclusion that what Snowden has leaked is somehow not important, but having picked up the conservative scent I realize that you simply do not want to cloud your judgment with something as boring as logic. Therefore, carry on.

a reply to: lucifuge

a reply to: JiggyPotamus

You know for a fact that McKinnon's claimed "non-terrestrial officers" do not exist? If so, it's rather curious why the U.S. was (is?) so hot to extradite him for a... er, fantasy hack.

It might be a psi-ops, or something along those lines, but McKinnon always struck me as consistent and truthful.

And Snowden is a patriot and hero.... imho.

Edit: Wanted to add I had second thoughts about adding that last line about Snowden due to the scrutiny it may provoke... which illustrates exactly why he is a hero. Anyone thinking otherwise is misguided or a fool.

a reply to: highfromphoenix

Black projects are quite real, he's right about that. But he's not revealing anything that wasn't already known. The fact that they're real is obvious.

Wow.....
I am surprised.....Noooo. These revelations are not surprising BUT smoke n Mirrors......The Truth is why would Dennis kraft be shipping an Israeli mobile laser Inside the united states that can shoot a man on the MOON.........and why is Mr slater a CIA operative but connected to the Sioux tribe sitting bull insurgent sympathizers aka what we know today as what are terrorists....it has been said natives wrote the book on terror....and the pine ridge fiasco and the peltiers........he how come the peltiers are under air force contract at Minot .nd nuclear airwing unless of course their federally racketeering lies.......so if these antiabortion terrorist bombers escalated and trained and funded where did they get their MONEY.....well when you figure out the Sioux tribe and tribes of nations organized out of bismarck.nd then you would Figure out the Sioux tribe Janna Gipp is the Gipper aka gypsie for short aka the gypsie queen likely assassinated JFK as slater is a republican CIA operative IN AN OFFICIAL COUPE DE TA by CIA then INSTALLED REAGAN as an actor trained to show us what we want to SEE then IF REGAN a SPY he would disarm US...which HE DID.......obviously Reagan gave funding to THE INDIAN Casino Mafia...and they targeted their competition Vegas Italians While all along it was the Sioux tribe and CIA antiabortion terrorists using smoke n mirrors to COVER UP.....which the only reasonable way they could keep a secret of assassination of JFK is if they were trained to keep a secret.....and they themselves even say it was an inside job ....IT Was the Indian casino mafia that also recruited giselda blanco at DEA for south america while the station chief was a republican and owned minar ford ROSEVILLE.MN and it was also said on the street Alliant tech systems which builds mines for Israeli territories used a spot light to blind the driver of PRINCES DIANA...my solution is to GIVE INTERPOL FULL ACCESS TO CIA AND FBI annually for four to six months the latter if they have a racketeering unsolved cases...,..we must HAVE interpol assist in POLICING THE CIA and FBI ...if I can find the truth why didn't the FBI or the CIA find the truth unless of course there lying.