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originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: wasaka
a reply to: lucifuge
World-renowned political dissident Noam Chomsky says NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden should be welcomed back to the United States as a hero. Meanwhile, those who authorized the government surveillance he exposed should be on trial, not him. Chomsky also argues that while mass surveillance has been ineffective in stopping terrorism, programs like the global U.S. drone war (which he called "drone assassination program") have helped spread terror to areas all around the world. "That’s a global assassination program, far and away the worst act of terror in the world. It’s also a terror-generating program." www.democracynow.org...
While I take serious issue with the curtailing of our liberties and the ridiculous amount of secrecy we have over us these days, I have to disagree with him on several levels. Has there been a foreign act of terrorism on US soil since 9/11? No. Are drone attacks terrorism? No. If you are on our list, we're coming for you. Because you reap what you have sown. Plant bombs in schools? Attack our citizens abroad? Again, we're coming for you. I have no issue with that at all.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: wasaka
a reply to: lucifuge
World-renowned political dissident Noam Chomsky says NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden should be welcomed back to the United States as a hero. Meanwhile, those who authorized the government surveillance he exposed should be on trial, not him. Chomsky also argues that while mass surveillance has been ineffective in stopping terrorism, programs like the global U.S. drone war (which he called "drone assassination program") have helped spread terror to areas all around the world. "That’s a global assassination program, far and away the worst act of terror in the world. It’s also a terror-generating program." www.democracynow.org...
While I take serious issue with the curtailing of our liberties and the ridiculous amount of secrecy we have over us these days, I have to disagree with him on several levels. Has there been a foreign act of terrorism on US soil since 9/11? No. Are drone attacks terrorism? No. If you are on our list, we're coming for you. Because you reap what you have sown. Plant bombs in schools? Attack our citizens abroad? Again, we're coming for you. I have no issue with that at all.
I can't really handle people who are so brainwashed that they still believe that only 911 is terrorism, but droning wedding parties and bombing the sh$t of whole cities is "not terrorism" because "they are on a list" and we are 'merica.
^Sure sign someone is asleep at the wheel.
For reference, the West has been attacking other countries, including those from whom these fighters come from, FAR more than vice versa, and in reality it was all started by the West. This is factually true from history. So once again, the whole idea "you be attacking us Muslim terrorists and hate our freedoms" is beyond idiotic.
Is that you GWB?
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: cmdrkeenkid
Carnivore? Eschelon?
Yeah, we knew about NSA snooping back in the 1990's.
Nothing new from Snowden from us folks paying attention. We were called "crazy" back then though for it.
Exactly, nothing I have heard from him is news really.
BUT, to the average citizen with their heads in the sand for a long time, it is news.
However, just as they didn't want to know or seek to know before Snowden, and just as they have always rationalized all government actions based on cognitive dissonance and comfort, they too have rationalized most of the Snowden topics, especially domestic surveillance.
originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: cmdrkeenkid
Carnivore? Eschelon?
Yeah, we knew about NSA snooping back in the 1990's.
Nothing new from Snowden from us folks paying attention. We were called "crazy" back then though for it.
Exactly, nothing I have heard from him is news really.
BUT, to the average citizen with their heads in the sand for a long time, it is news.
However, just as they didn't want to know or seek to know before Snowden, and just as they have always rationalized all government actions based on cognitive dissonance and comfort, they too have rationalized most of the Snowden topics, especially domestic surveillance.
Ah, I see. So really this is just about being one of the cool kids to you, right? "Yeah, I knew about NSA snooping way before you did." WHO CARES? What, people aren't permitted to live their lives as they see fit? And if they do not eat sleep and breathe conspiracies and politics they forever forfeit their right to be outraged? Weak.
originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: wasaka
a reply to: lucifuge
World-renowned political dissident Noam Chomsky says NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden should be welcomed back to the United States as a hero. Meanwhile, those who authorized the government surveillance he exposed should be on trial, not him. Chomsky also argues that while mass surveillance has been ineffective in stopping terrorism, programs like the global U.S. drone war (which he called "drone assassination program") have helped spread terror to areas all around the world. "That’s a global assassination program, far and away the worst act of terror in the world. It’s also a terror-generating program." www.democracynow.org...
While I take serious issue with the curtailing of our liberties and the ridiculous amount of secrecy we have over us these days, I have to disagree with him on several levels. Has there been a foreign act of terrorism on US soil since 9/11? No. Are drone attacks terrorism? No. If you are on our list, we're coming for you. Because you reap what you have sown. Plant bombs in schools? Attack our citizens abroad? Again, we're coming for you. I have no issue with that at all.
I can't really handle people who are so brainwashed that they still believe that only 911 is terrorism, but droning wedding parties and bombing the sh$t of whole cities is "not terrorism" because "they are on a list" and we are 'merica.
^Sure sign someone is asleep at the wheel.
For reference, the West has been attacking other countries, including those from whom these fighters come from, FAR more than vice versa, and in reality it was all started by the West. This is factually true from history. So once again, the whole idea "you be attacking us Muslim terrorists and hate our freedoms" is beyond idiotic.
Is that you GWB?
Ad hominem is not a valid argument.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: wasaka
a reply to: lucifuge
World-renowned political dissident Noam Chomsky says NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden should be welcomed back to the United States as a hero. Meanwhile, those who authorized the government surveillance he exposed should be on trial, not him. Chomsky also argues that while mass surveillance has been ineffective in stopping terrorism, programs like the global U.S. drone war (which he called "drone assassination program") have helped spread terror to areas all around the world. "That’s a global assassination program, far and away the worst act of terror in the world. It’s also a terror-generating program." www.democracynow.org...
While I take serious issue with the curtailing of our liberties and the ridiculous amount of secrecy we have over us these days, I have to disagree with him on several levels. Has there been a foreign act of terrorism on US soil since 9/11? No. Are drone attacks terrorism? No. If you are on our list, we're coming for you. Because you reap what you have sown. Plant bombs in schools? Attack our citizens abroad? Again, we're coming for you. I have no issue with that at all.
I can't really handle people who are so brainwashed that they still believe that only 911 is terrorism, but droning wedding parties and bombing the sh$t of whole cities is "not terrorism" because "they are on a list" and we are 'merica.
^Sure sign someone is asleep at the wheel.
For reference, the West has been attacking other countries, including those from whom these fighters come from, FAR more than vice versa, and in reality it was all started by the West. This is factually true from history. So once again, the whole idea "you be attacking us Muslim terrorists and hate our freedoms" is beyond idiotic.
Is that you GWB?
Ad hominem is not a valid argument.
I offered several non ad-hominem arguments, which are completely valid and demonstrable. I also offered ad hominem attacks or value judgements. I do think it is atrocious that many Westerners continue to justify the history and take zero responsibility for what the West has done.
It's no better than a German having supported Hitler in attacking other countries.
originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: jaffo
originally posted by: wasaka
a reply to: lucifuge
World-renowned political dissident Noam Chomsky says NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden should be welcomed back to the United States as a hero. Meanwhile, those who authorized the government surveillance he exposed should be on trial, not him. Chomsky also argues that while mass surveillance has been ineffective in stopping terrorism, programs like the global U.S. drone war (which he called "drone assassination program") have helped spread terror to areas all around the world. "That’s a global assassination program, far and away the worst act of terror in the world. It’s also a terror-generating program." www.democracynow.org...
While I take serious issue with the curtailing of our liberties and the ridiculous amount of secrecy we have over us these days, I have to disagree with him on several levels. Has there been a foreign act of terrorism on US soil since 9/11? No. Are drone attacks terrorism? No. If you are on our list, we're coming for you. Because you reap what you have sown. Plant bombs in schools? Attack our citizens abroad? Again, we're coming for you. I have no issue with that at all.
I can't really handle people who are so brainwashed that they still believe that only 911 is terrorism, but droning wedding parties and bombing the sh$t of whole cities is "not terrorism" because "they are on a list" and we are 'merica.
^Sure sign someone is asleep at the wheel.
For reference, the West has been attacking other countries, including those from whom these fighters come from, FAR more than vice versa, and in reality it was all started by the West. This is factually true from history. So once again, the whole idea "you be attacking us Muslim terrorists and hate our freedoms" is beyond idiotic.
Is that you GWB?
Ad hominem is not a valid argument.
I offered several non ad-hominem arguments, which are completely valid and demonstrable. I also offered ad hominem attacks or value judgements. I do think it is atrocious that many Westerners continue to justify the history and take zero responsibility for what the West has done.
It's no better than a German having supported Hitler in attacking other countries.
I think it's ignorant that people like you clearly do not know enough World history to realize that America is not even at the top of the mountain as far as atrocities go. And thanks for going to the "Nazi Germany" card. Consider yourself outed and ignored.
originally posted by: HUMBLEONE
Whats a **SNIP**joke?
originally posted by: lucifugeIt is ironic that the U.S. would begin a devastating war, allegedly in search of weapons of mass destruction when the most worrisome developments in this field are occurring in your own backyard. It is ironic that the U.S. should be fighting monstrously expensive wars allegedly to bring democracy to those countries, when it itself can no longer claim to be called a democracy when trillions, and I mean thousands of billions of dollars have been spent on projects which both congress and the commander in chief know nothing about.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
Soooo....Snowden "proved" something that's already been proven and is fairly common knowledge? That there's a black budget, and that black budget pays for black programs?
How revelatory.