Utah officers heard mysterious voice that led them to infant who survived for 14 hours after car cra

originally posted by: carewemust
The car was upside down in the water. The mother was strapped in with head submerged for 18 hours. She was dead. Little Lily Groesback was also upside down, but strapped into her car seat, head above the 40 degree water flowing beneath her. Lily's ANGEL was calling out to rescuers so they would hurry, before she succumbed to the cold.

Lily obviously has something very important to accomplish in God's plan. Dying at this point would have been too soon. I'd love to be able to follow her life Hopefully some organization will document her years going forward, but I doubt if mankind is patient and perceptive enough to do what may end up being a 100 year study.
-cwm

Just thought I'd mentioned I was in a pretty horrific car accident resulting from a 160km impact into a tree. The passenger in the back died instantly, the driver who was wearing his seat belt somehow ended up entirely underneath the steering wheel (backseat, directly against driver seat, directly against steering wheel like a stack of pancakes) to the point you couldn't see him; he spent 7 months in the hospital. I ended up with some internal injuries that all healed up without surgery, but only one single tiny scratch on my wrist and was out in 8 days. The police officer told my parents it was the worst passenger compartment damage he had seen in some 20 years and was convinced "someone up there must've been looking out for him".

Anyway, the evening of the accident, my mother was woken up because she thought someone was in her bedroom, and her religious friend who had experienced some spiritual reassurance before a dangerous cancer surgery woke up with a strange desire to call her at 4-5am. After getting home from the hospital (my only paranormal experience seeing a ghost, I think) I woke up in bed to two modernly dressed guys (?) standing facing me, only they were faded out above the neck (didn't really end, but didn't continue above the neck either... hard to describe). I stood there surprised, but not scared, and look at them for a few seconds before they faded away. Full disclosure I was on percocets, so who knows if I was hallucinating.

Anyway, for an example of someone who narrowly escaped death in extraordinary circumstances, and the direction their life went afterwards... at that point in my life I was continually getting kicked out of a high school I would never graduate from. Met a girl who would later get pregnant in less then a year after lying to me about being on birth control after we broke up. Convinced her not to have an abortion. (Looking pretty hopeless at this point, eh?) Eventually went on to be one of the top law students in the country after a year in law school, and future is looking bright. Hoping to make myself worthy of the sparing of my life, to God.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy

I'd really like to see the coroner's report to see the estimated time of death.

I will wait for this before entertaining she was dead when she called for help.

I don't think you understand what happens when people die. It isn't rocket science for a police officer to come upon a scene, flip a car over, pull out a body and confirm that the body didn't just yell Help to him a minute ago.

I enjoy the squirming for a 'logical' answer thou...please continue.

Officer Tyler Beddoes said, according to Deseret News: "It wasn't just something that was just in our heads. To me it was plain as day cause I remember hearing a voice," adding: "I think it was Dewitt who said, 'We're trying. We're trying our best to get in there.' How do you explain that?" "It was a positive boost for every one of us because I think it pushed us to go harder a little longer. I don't think that any one of us had intended on flipping a car over that day," Beddoes said, according to Deseret News, adding: "We know there was some other help there, getting us where we needed to be."

Utah Baby Rescue

Maybe it was the mom? LOL

Maybe it was the BABY?! LMFAO

Maybe they all "projected" the same voice/words onto themselves? LOL

Here's a thought, instead of trying to jam a square peg into a round hole, how bout you just listen to the testimony of the police officers who are trained observers when they make a statement.

Secondly, I'm shocked that the officers even admitted to hearing the voice calling for help from the car considering the potential backlash they would receive from the majority of folks whose minds are still hopelessly closed off like a child who covers his ears and eyes trying to block something out because it's easier to not deal with something that can change your perception about life or death.

The non-physical world is a whole other aspect of reality that many people simply do not understand or cannot understand because science can't hand them a neat little explanation derived from a balanced equation. Not to mention the hosts of people raised from birth to dis-believe in that non-physical world. So it's no wonder people can't accept things like this without experiencing it themselves.

originally posted by: Skid Mark
How long had the driver been dead? If for longer than what the first responders were there, I'd say it was a ghost. I can't think if any other explanation because the others heard it, too.

I don't want to piss on the parade here, but this story seems to be significantly misleading, almost attempting to deliberately create and support entirely unfounded notions.

Is it more likely that they heard an ethereal voice from no one, or more plausible that one of them thought he heard something, and the idea that person shared then encouraged others to hear similar pleas for help?

This was in the afternoon too, so were there people on the bridge or the banks? Could they have heard someone there and mistaken the sound for someone inside the vehicle?

I know it's a horrible thought, but there's no mention of how long the woman had been dead. It's entirely possible that she was actually alive, although barely, and that the movement of the vehicle then caused her death. This is far more plausible and common than the notion that her spirit (and unfounded notion) communicated with the living.

We all love to hear of mysteries and seemingly miraculous things, and there are people out there who have their own motivations for making something seem "miraculous", but the truth is often far more mundane and sometimes very tragic.

Without further evidence of anything supernatural happening here, and knowing that there are people in media and government who love to manipulate the truth for their own reasons (sensationalism and religion being primary motivations), I'm inclined to believe that they are mistaken in what they think happened.

They're still amazing people, the mother still deserves sympathy, we can still be incredibly glad that the baby was rescued, but we shouldn't abandon all common sense and rationality for the sake of a good story.

It is pretty obvious to me that the babies mom stuck around in spirit until her daughter could be rescued and called out for help.
It happens, whether people believe it or not.



A tragic accident.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

I don't think you understand what happens when people die.

About as much as you. They die.

It isn't rocket science for a police officer

I don't expect police officers to know rocket science. I also don't expect them to have the skills of a medical examiner.

to come upon a scene, flip a car over, pull out a body and confirm that the body didn't just yell Help to him a minute ago.

Read above^

enjoy the squirming for a 'logical' answer thou...please continue.

I'm happy to give your life some enjoyment. However no further logic is needed.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: noeltrotsky

I don't think you understand what happens when people die.

About as much as you. They die.

Ah, no, I don't think so. I've seen death and the changes start quickly and are easily seen. Read a bit about it and see if you could spots the changes...

www.memorialpages.co.uk...

We could see a person in the front seat and then we heard a voice saying 'help me, we're in here.' It was clear as day," he said. "We replied back 'hang in there, we're trying what we can.'" The voice motivated them to push harder because they believed there may be someone inside who was still alive. With their adrenaline pumping they pulled the heavy, water-filled car onto its side and discovered the driver was deceased.

So they discovered the driver was deceased after turning the car over. So was she submerged or not? If she was submerged it wouldn't really be a discovery that she was dead.

Hard to make anything of this story based on the provided info.

Also, if this woman's spirit was able to conquer death, why didn't she speak to the fisherman who spotted the car earlier. What was the point of speaking to the rescue-ers who were already working on the car?

a reply to: noeltrotsky
What do we know. We know she was dead when they found her. They don't know when or the cause of death. That's the medical examiners job since it's within their skills to do so and not an officers. We know that the officers were treated for hypothermia. It was very cold.

"Beddoes, who spent at least 20 minutes in the frigid waters, said he and his colleagues were so focused on the rescue they didn’t realize the impact it was having on their bodies."

“I didn’t feel the cold — I wasn’t paying attention to myself,” he said. “After several minutes in the water I started to feel the effects.”

"The four officers and three firefighters were treated for hypothermia and released Saturday night."

Really really cold. Like stiffen the body and turn your skin blue kinda cold.

From your source:

Nature is very efficient at breaking down human corpses. When you die your heart stops pumping blood around your body, thus depriving your cells of oxygen, which rapidly begin to die. Decomposing starts almost immediately, with the skin going through several changes in colour as the blood stops circulating leaving the body an ashen color. However different cells die at different rates. For example, brain cells die within a few minutes, whilst skin cells can survive over 24 hours after death. Soon after death rigor mortis occurs, which is caused by a complex chemical reaction (involving lactic acid and myosin), which forms a gel like substance which creates the body's stiffness. Rigor mortis lasts approximately 24 hours (depending upon ambient temperature).

Additionally from your source here is the first stage of decay:

Initial decay (Known as 'autolysis') - externally the corpse looks okay, but internally the organs are breaking down.

They wouldn't have been able to identify when she died definitively at all considering the circumstances. For that we need the coroner's report.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

< headdesk > Care to think outside the immediate accident area surrounding the car in the photos instead of a literalist take on the word, I was taking about the general topographic area surrounding that. There's a river with banks, obviously it came from, and carries on to somewhere else. There's more to the land surrounding the car than just a bridge, water & dirt RIGHTTHERE. I'm really starting to think they're going to find a body out there that could have been kept alive if someone had taken a hike around and looked for a living person instead of saying "Yo, dead lady yelled to us for help, wild!"

Edit: As per Google Earth's satellite view, it's not exactly no man's land out there, it's farm country. I'm sticking with the possibility of someone laying injured nearby, be it downstream or in a field. It's pretty flat out there, but between that lake & the city to the east, there's enough vegetation to obscure someone on the ground. Have a gander around the length of the river, I can see it being a very distinct possibility, especially if the wind & land helped carry a voice a ways.

www.google.com...@40.1515703,-111.7259659,1579m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x874d98c4606b5847:0xb0d1aeaeafe1eb9 3

a reply to: Nyiah

so you'd rather think that there's a random unknown body in the woods somewhere that was yelling for help? even though the cop says they heard the sound coming from "inside the car". i mean that's a pretty simple statement. shouldn't really be that hard to accept that when they said they heard the sound originating from inside the car that that was the actual case.

but instead perhaps there's a ventriloquist style undiscovered, unknown dying person in the woods throwing their voice to make it seem like it was coming from inside an upside down car in a river? wild indeed!

and to think, that talented mystery person is still there in the woods! lol

again there's physical and non-physical existence. a mothers love for her child can be a very powerful thing.

originally posted by: CallmeRaskolnikov
a reply to: Nyiah

so you'd rather think that there's a random unknown body in the woods somewhere that was yelling for help? even though the cop says they heard the sound coming from "inside the car". i mean that's a pretty simple statement. shouldn't really be that hard to accept that when they said they heard the sound originating from inside the car that that was the actual case.

but instead perhaps there's a ventriloquist style undiscovered, unknown dying person in the woods throwing their voice to make it seem like it was coming from inside an upside down car in a river? wild indeed!

Yeah, it makes much more sense to me than paranormal crud does. Even in my own house, sound can carry in such a fashion that a noise made in one place can sound like it came from somewhere else in here. The same thing applies to the outdoors, sound in one place doesn't always mean it came from right in that spot. You never played hide & seek outside as a kid? Didn't you ever follow a rustle or giggle that turned out to be from the opposite direction you went in? I sure did, I was thrown off hiding spots a few times using my ears alone.

I am of the opinion that it's very possible that the positive energy of true love can pass through the boundaries between worlds. A mother in the next world saving her child who is still in this one. A widow here receiving a helping hand from her husband who has gone ahead of her into the next world. Little things happen. Maybe even big things like this mother yelling for help for her child? I think it's very possible. We know very little about life and about the multiverses we live in.

For those who may not have heard recent updates, Lily is making a remarkable recovery.

This quote is reported from cnn:

"Her improvement is astounding. Right now she's watching 'Dora (the Explorer)' and singing '(The) Wheels on the Bus' with Grandpa. She is smiling and laughing for family members. We're blown away by Lily's progress and so grateful to her rescuers," they said.

The only explanation aside from nonsense such as ghosts is that the policemen lied.

For those speculating that the mom was still alive, the first responders are indicating that isn't the case.

"Due to the trauma she sustained, we suspect she was deceased upon impact. I don’t believe she survived the impact of the car crash. There was massive trauma," Johnson said.

Source: abcnews.go.com...


This story is also saying 5 people heard the voice saying "help me". 3 police officers and 2 firefighters. Their names are given in the article. They also clarify the voice came from the car, from their perspective. They said there were people on the bridge but the voice came from the car.

Lots of posts on this story already. I live just up the road from Spanish Fork Canyon. Terribly sad story, but it is a miracle the young child survived.

If it has not already been answered, the mother was underwater and had been dead for a while. The young child was still in her car seat just above the freezing water. The water was so cold some of the survivors helping at the scene had to be treated for hypothermia.

The car had been in the water for about 14 hours. The accident occurred last Saturday night and the wreck was found Sunday morning.

a reply to: Nyiah

if they missed a body, wouldn't someone have made a missing person report by now????

ha ha ha...skeptics..wow

I am convinced these people are just trolling.

Assuming this was the mother's spirit.....

Interesting that she desperately wanted help for the child to stay in this realm...I mean as opposed to being together in the afterlife...if it's so great.