Spirituality might work if it wasn't so stupid.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: bb23108

Yes you have repeatedly said it is self-evident, but you have not once given reason why it is.

Who was associated with the body-mind michael Jackson?

Reasons - I have very very frequently (daily) been drawn beyond conditions into unconditional conscious light-love and have real heart knowledge this is the unconditional truth (or "substance") in which all forms appear and disappear.

There have also been out-of-body experiences, but the first reason is primary and consistent and the only really self-evident one I am convicted of and interested in because it is beyond experience, high or low, inner or outer.

Re: MJ - Whatever deeper personality associated with his body-mind slightly after conception.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I didn't say unnatural deaths, I said NATURAL deaths. What is the cause?! You're ignoring the crux of my question, NATURAL DEATH, what is the difference in the body before and after a natural death? What is it that causes the body to stop functioning? Death? That's circular logic because the ceasing of the functioning of the body IS death, they're one and the same. You cannot explain something with itself, that's like saying the bible is true because it says so.

You have yet to answer what those things are, if so could you refresh me on them? When I think of a pink elephant, where is that pink elephant? Is it in my brain? Is it a flesh and blood pink elephant? Or is it a non-localized immaterial image that resides somewhere else? If you dissect my brain will you see my memories in it? My feelings of love and fear? What and where are those things?

a reply to: bb23108

Can you provide an image or video of someone doing the same thing?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I'm not going to answer such a stupid question. I am not your encyclopedia.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Can you provide an image or video of someone doing the same thing?

Okay, here it comes! Got it?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Because you have no answer. You don't account for what the difference is, you just turn the other way, just as you are doing with my question.

The structure of the brain is the exact same before and after someone dies a natural death. You cannot comprehend what the difference is so you ignore the question.

a reply to: bb23108

Umm...no.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope


Umm...no.

Shucks! I guess we will have to wait for science to catch up then!

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Your question is stupid. Go ask your doctor. You think a ghost leaves the body causing it to die. It's idiotic.

a reply to: bb23108

Spirituality wins again.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I'm asking you. Since you are so knowledgeable on how spirituality is "stupid" you should easily be able to answer the question. It seems you're having a hard time answering it. The only answer you've given so far is that death causes death. Well... no duh. But what's the mechanism behind the cause of natural death?

Like I said, you can't answer it so you call it "stupid". That's only because you don't understand it as well as you think.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I've given many reasons why death occurs. You simply do not care to listen.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The structure of the brain is the exact same before and after someone dies a natural death. You cannot comprehend what the difference is so you ignore the question.

Natural or not, the brain's structure will certainly change when the heart stops beating.

My experience with people dying is that as soon as they actually leave the body, the body feels empty. Up until then, even if they are medically declared dead, they still feel alive at a feeling level.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

You have given reasons for unnatural death but not natural death. There's a clear difference between the two. What's the difference? One comes with trauma, the other doesn't, yet they both end in death of the body.

Why is someone alive one moment then dead the next? What makes someone's heart stop beating or their lungs stop taking in air upon a natural death?

a reply to: bb23108

How can you know what someone else is feeling when they die? And how does the structure of the brain change?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

One is the cause of external forces, the other, internal.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Now you're getting closer. What is that internal force?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Could be heart attack or infection or a number of age-related ailments.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Those aren't forces, those are the effects of a force.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

No they aren't.