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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm
I am never bored. I read and consider every single post. I deeply care what people think, especially when they are wrong. I am also not a topic, but I would be flattered, if not mildly concerned, if you wrote a thread about me.
A couple posters are trying to sell me on the idea that awareness doesn't change or age, yet they cannot confirm this with any sort of reasoning. It might be fruitless continuing to try and confirm his claim.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm
None of which has anything to do with spirituality.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm
None of which has anything to do with spirituality.
our emotional relationship with the world has everything to do with spirituality. everything i just explained in my previous post are examples of how we feel about the world, how we feel about how we feel, how we feel about how the world feels about how we feel, etc. its all about our emotional disposition and how that affects our interactions and our aspirations. some people feel less than charitable, perhaps even futile, and so they become jerks. some people feel a connection that transcends any dimension you can point out with a microscope or telescope, and so they become nurturers. is that connection or sense of futility realistic? i dont know. what i do know is that to a point, reality is beyond our control. and to a point, reality is completely under our control. 10% action, 90% reaction. the difference between punching an irritable old racist in the face and helping an amputee with his groceries. relationships, emotional disposition, and a vast game of psychology. no more illusory than deciding everything means nothing and we are all doomed to obsoletion.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: InTheLight
the wonderful thing about being a cynicist is everything becomes that much easier to disregard on principle.
our emotional relationship with the world has everything to do with spirituality. everything i just explained in my previous post are examples of how we feel about the world, how we feel about how we feel, how we feel about how the world feels about how we feel, etc. its all about our emotional disposition and how that affects our interactions and our aspirations. some people feel less than charitable, perhaps even futile, and so they become jerks. some people feel a connection that transcends any dimension you can point out with a microscope or telescope, and so they become nurturers. is that connection or sense of futility realistic? i dont know. what i do know is that to a point, reality is beyond our control. and to a point, reality is completely under our control. 10% action, 90% reaction. the difference between punching an irritable old racist in the face and helping an amputee with his groceries. relationships, emotional disposition, and a vast game of psychology. no more illusory than deciding everything means nothing and we are all doomed to obsoletion.
Spoken like a person who has never meditated.
"Spirituality" has nothing to do with intelligence or moral code.
If you believe humans have a spirit, or soul, you are spiritual. Whether you choose to explore that line of thought is up to you.
If you think the brain cannot process the goings-on in the world around you with your eyes closed, you're in for a rude awakening. Go read "The Einstein Method" and try some of the visualization exercises. This stuff isn't even meditating, it's just allowing your subconscious mind to explore itself.
Surely "Awareness" is constantly changing depending on it's focus ... if not we would live in a static Universe which is not the case
originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
A couple posters are trying to sell me on the idea that awareness doesn't change or age, yet they cannot confirm this with any sort of reasoning. It might be fruitless continuing to try and confirm his claim.
Surely "Awareness" is constantly changing depending on it's focus ... if not we would live in a static Universe which is not the case
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
I am quite proud to say I've been to the summit of Sagarmāthā. I've surveyed the world from the highest peaks. I've processed more of the world with eyes open than anyone staring at the back of their eyelids ever could.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
A couple posters are trying to sell me on the idea that awareness doesn't change or age, yet they cannot confirm this with any sort of reasoning. It might be fruitless continuing to try and confirm his claim.
Perceptions constantly change depending on one's attention/point-of-view in any given moment. But awareness, one's fundamental being, does not change.
originally posted by: artistpoet
Surely "Awareness" is constantly changing depending on it's focus ... if not we would live in a static Universe which is not the case
I have given you two straight-forward examples in which it is very obvious, at least to me, that awareness does not change or age. The one example you suggested, regarding getting very drunk, my perceptions definitely changed at the time, but not my fundamental awareness. The same with my awareness when I was 10 as compared to now - it is exactly the same. This is completely self-evident to me.
If you would let go of your preconceptions and simply fully consider these examples, you might notice that this is indeed true. However, you insist on your materialistic approach to everything, so this apparently is not currently possible for you.
Yes, perception does change and is associated with the body-mind complex. Awareness is apparently identified with the body-mind complex in our limited point-of-view but our fundamental awareness is actually self-aware consciousness in which all arises. To actually be free of this body-mind bondage, this discovery is necessary.