Truth In Media: Vaccine Court and Autism

a reply to: LogJammer

Doh! Thank you. Big disconnect there!

I'll give myself a good talking to about reading comprehension and then force myself to sit in the corner for a while.

originally posted by: Elton
Another oldie, but a goodie.

As the video points out correlation is not causation.

Mr. Elton, In your view when should a correlation be investigated? Or are you regurgitating rubbish for fun?

a reply to: Boadicea

Don't beat yourself up over it, # happens.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: LogJammer
The point of correlation not equaling causation seems to have eluded you.

The trouble with correlation != causation peddlers is that they never declare the threshold where correlation needs to be investigated.

Autism, food allergies and autoimmune disease is rising exponentially. Do you really think a reasonable person would accept fiddling while Rome burns? No. And more people are reading. You can't stop it with your wall of money PR and disinformation.

Technocrats and shills tell you there is no evidence vaccines cause autism. --they lie

The latest PR thrust is to try and shame people into not thinking for themselves by calling them narcissistic. Who here believes claiming the human right of informed consent is narcissistic??? Orwell would be proud.

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

Because the classification and definition of autism has increased so more are put into the spectrum of autism.
So of course it appear to be on the rise but it isn't many of the people not diagnosed with it before are now....

a reply to: boymonkey74

Can you offer any information that would support the notion that what you say, is completely responsible for the rise in autism?

a reply to: LogJammer

time.com...

www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...

Like the articles say in the 90's the diagnosis of autism was changed to autism spectrum disorder (ASD) – the new name reflecting the changing concept of autism to include a broader spectrum of symptoms, including much more subtle manifestations. In particular a diagnostic entity known as Aspergers syndrome, which is essentially a subtle manifestation of autism features, was classified as part of ASD. Any time you broaden a category the number of individuals that fit into that category is likely to increase.

I work with people with Autism and we have a few guys and one gal who were only diagnosed with autism in the last 10 or so years and these folks are in their 50's.
Looking up into their history's they were diagnosed with schizophrenia, retardation etc and unfortunately were not cared for how they should have been and locked up in mental homes.
Thankfully they are doing great now and getting the appropriate support.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Like I suspected, it is wrong to write this whole increase in autism cases down to broader diagnostic criteria.

First off,

The authors, however, caution that the number of subjects in their study was small and therefore it is difficult to extrapolate from this to the general population.

Second,

The researchers found significantly more children were diagnosed with autism in 1995 and on, and the team was able to determine that 60% of the increase could be attributed to these criteria changes. “I am not saying it explains everything,” says Hansen. “There’s the remaining 40%, so we shouldn’t stop here.” That 40% is important if researchers want to understand all the contributing factors to the disease he says.

A true 40% rise in autism cases would still be high enough to be of concern, don't you think?

Third, autism rates have been growing every year since the mid 90's. If this was caused by the introduction of new criteria alone, wouldn't the number stabilize after the increase of the first year?

These points alone destroy your claim.


I don't see how you could have reviewed that information and still make such an absolute claim like you did.

a reply to: LogJammer

The only study that will result in us knowing whether vaccines are bringing on the high rise in Autism Spectrum disorders is to compare the autism rate between vaccinated and unvaccinated. Seems an easy study to conduct given the rising number of vaccine free children and adults.

a reply to: Witness2008

It's already been done. Multiple times, in fact. The Danish study compared millions of children. Absolutely no correlation between vaccination and autism rates was found.

a reply to: GetHyped

I have not read that particular study, would you mind providing a link?

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

It's already been studied. You've even had the research presented to you on multiple occasions. You simply ignore it and keep parroting your long debunked script ad nauseum.

a reply to: Witness2008

I'm on the mobile so no, not easily. Google "Danish vaccine autism study" and you should find the paper easily enough, though.

a reply to: GetHyped

I hope that you are not referring to the study conducted by Poul Thorsen, because that one is still being heatedly debated.

Double post

a reply to: Witness2008

It was conducted by a number of scientists. What specifically about the methodology is being "debated"?

a reply to: GetHyped

First off, Danish children receive 75% less ethyl mercury than do children in the U.S, and children receive vaccinations at an older age. That alone for me is reason enough to scrap the research. Why in the world are we using another countries population to research a debate that is happening in the U.S. We vaccinate at earlier ages at a rate four times that of most other countries including Denmark.

a reply to: Witness2008

1) scientific citation needed
2) so you're saying there's a dosage cutoff for EM causing autism? What is this cutoff, then? Scientific citations only, please

a reply to: GetHyped

Autism rates in the U.S. have surpassed those of Denmark. Notably, in the U.S. the MMR vaccine was administered at the age of 12 months, often with two thimerosal- containing products, the B and hepatitis B vaccines, while it was usually administered alone in Denmark at the age of 15 months. Additionally, by the age of 6 months, infants in the U.S. had been exposed to 12 vaccines and up to 187.5 micrograms of thimerosal, compared to 6 vaccines with no thimerosal in Denmark. 33 34 26 Conclusions Hemophilu

www.jpands.org...

The research is lengthy but worth a read.

Have any other studies between vaccinated children and those free of vaccines?

Have any other studies between vaccinated children and those free of vaccines?

No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study

The MMR vaccination rate in the city of Yokohama declined significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1992, and not a single vaccination was administered in 1993 or thereafter. In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.

MMR-Vaccine and Regression in Autism Spectrum Disorders: Negative Results Presented from Japan

During the period of MMR usage no significant difference was found in the incidence of regression between MMR-vaccinated children and non-vaccinated children. Among the proportion and incidence of regression across the three MMR-program-related periods (before, during and after MMR usage), no significant difference was found between those who had received MMR and those who had not. Moreover, the incidence of regression did not change significantly across the three periods.

Lack of Association Between Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination and Autism in Children: A Case-Control Study

For children vaccinated before diagnosis, autism risk was lower in children vaccinated with MMR than in the nonvaccinated.