Are microwaves safe to use?

Thanks for the information, I feel a lot better about using it now. I have a plan to make up a lot of food at once and freeze portions that can be reheated in the microwave. At least I now know I can do this and save time and be more organised without actually damaging my health.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
Are you referring to this?

So THAT'S where he got that from. I remember years ago when that went past ATS and about half didn't read past the headline. I think I made a joke about a macrowave refrigerator.

This could be the origin...

I see the OP of that thread included the link I just asked Unity about. It looks like it just spins a bottle in cold water. I used to do that with beer cans and ice in the cooler.

*SARCASM AHEAD*

I had no idea I was an embodiment of reverter microwave tech. /sarcasm warning.

This kind of nonsense really pisses me the # off!

a reply to: [post=19088216]Bedlam[/post

Ok, answer me this. Could the field of the microwave be interacting with organics to create ions? Put two wedges of green pepper into the microwave about a quarter inch apart. When you put the microwave on high, they arc across to each other Now what is created by this arc?

Now if you just examine exactly what the microwave emits and do not consider what is in the microwave, then maybe you are correct. But even a microwave oven that has organics left over from a previous use will have organics that interact with the energy produced by the microwave.

The microwave does not create heat, does that mean it can't heat the food? No, it's waves interact with the foods. Now, when they test microwave safety, they test the effect of the waves themselves on us then the look at whether the food is safe to eat. Even steam from a pot of soup contains some ions.

Now to say this evidence I gave is irrevelent when there has probably been no testing on it to show it is real would be ignorant. These ions exist, but occasional exposure is not a problem.

If you take a piece of charcoal and put it next to a stream of running water from your tap, the radon in the water builds up on the charcoal and then you can use a radon detector to identify if the water contains radon. I have a very expensive radon detector to play with, it is an old service meter I got from GSA. I found that my basement was full of radiation from a box I had in it from my stepfather containing a vial of radium 226 for painting the dials on clocks and watches. When you put that next to the vial and the three tissues in the box, it pegged the meter in the least sensitive mode. Now, that radiation never hurt anyone in our family, my stepfather always had that box next to where he slept. He lived into his eighties, he did have problems with breathing, but he had lost a lung and a half back in the fifties do to TB he got while in the service in the forties.

Now, someone sitting in front of a microwave for hours out of a day could possibly experience something bad but occasional use probably will not hurt anyone. We did not get rid of our microwave because we feared getting sick from it, we found ourselves reheating everything and cooking in it all the time. We made all our popcorn in those bags, it actually does not taste good at all compared to popping it in a pot. The only thing that actually tasted good was cooking frozen veggies in it. Everything else tasted inferior when heating it in the microwave.

So We chose to give it up after learning that food reheated on the stove or in the regular oven was far superior tasting to putting it in the microwave. Not just a few foods, almost all foods.

Edit, I just did some research on this and it might be that an empty oven containing dried on foods might actually increase the amount of free ions generated. The water in food usually absorbs the freed ions. So the empty dirty oven is what we were using to test this.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: jinni73
a reply to: tastyrawmeat
...it will eventually lead to you getting brain damage due to protein aggregation www.nature.com...

Microwaving food does not give you vCJD.

it also refers to protein aggregation which is where the amino acids bend and are unable to be used by the body, this scientist found it starts at 35 celsius in meat cooking

Any cooking denatures proteins. It doesn't really matter, because your body disassembles them all into their constituents and puts them back together the right way.

This is the answer I would expect from a bot
NO testing was done on microwave cooking for 20 years yet pharmaceutical medicines need millions of dollars to get them approved.

Anyone can believe whatever they like but I assure you microwaving food is not good for you.

and no when amino acids suffer denaturation they do not get put back together correctly by your body LOL.
en.wikipedia.org...

Here is one experiment and other information
obrlnews.wordpress.com...

the following:

1). Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes long term – permanent – brain damage by ‘shorting out’ electrical impulses in the brain [de-polarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue].

2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food.

3). Male and female hormone production is shut down and/or altered by continually eating microwaved foods.

4). The effects of microwaved food by-products are residual [long term, permanent] within the human body.

5). Minerals, vitamins, and nutrients of all microwaved food is reduced or altered so that the human body gets little or no benefit, or the human body absorbs altered compounds that cannot be broken down.

6). The minerals in vegetables are altered into cancerous free radicals when cooked in microwave ovens.

7). Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths [tumours]. This may explain the rapidly increased rate of colon cancer in UK and America .

8). The prolonged eating of microwaved foods causes cancerous cells to increase in human blood.

9). Continual ingestion of microwaved food causes immune system deficiencies through lymph gland and blood serum alterations.

10). Eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration, emotional instability, and a decrease of intelligence.

There's another experiment which was the first one backed by the FDA which a girl proved xenoestrogens and pcb's I think were created from the plastic.

The microwaves concentrate the water molecules thereby concentrating the fluoride as well

a reply to: jinni73

and no when amino acids suffer denaturation they do not get put back together correctly by your body LOL.

If you're talking about denaturation prior to or during digestion (which in this case we are) then yes, they do.

I don't have a program to translate this to Woo, but give it a read anyway www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

a reply to: jinni73

1). Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes long term – permanent – brain damage by ‘shorting out’ electrical impulses in the brain [de-polarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue].

2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food.

3). Male and female hormone production is shut down and/or altered by continually eating microwaved foods.

4). The effects of microwaved food by-products are residual [long term, permanent] within the human body.

5). Minerals, vitamins, and nutrients of all microwaved food is reduced or altered so that the human body gets little or no benefit, or the human body absorbs altered compounds that cannot be broken down.

6). The minerals in vegetables are altered into cancerous free radicals when cooked in microwave ovens.

7). Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths [tumours]. This may explain the rapidly increased rate of colon cancer in UK and America .

8). The prolonged eating of microwaved foods causes cancerous cells to increase in human blood.

9). Continual ingestion of microwaved food causes immune system deficiencies through lymph gland and blood serum alterations.

10). Eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration, emotional instability, and a decrease of intelligence.

Congratulation for your post!

I have to admit I never, ever read before such a concentration of utter nonsense, antiscientific, unrational and unsubstantiated informations in a post this short.

If a Nobel kind of price existed for such argumentations, I would register you right away and I'm quite sure you would win it!!!

Oh and I love the part "de-polarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue", it inspire deep respect from me...

a reply to: DenyObfuscation
They do when your body is working correctly.
But the older you get you start losing certain chemicals mainly from the age of 27 but DHEA is reported to start declining from the age of 20, although if your body is growing up to the age of 27 I can't see why our main hormone starts to deteriorate so early, this then leads to aging and the less your body can do, you eventually hit a tipping point where denaturation becomes toxic to us you cannot rely on evidence that only works off of a healthy immune system,

A lot of the testing they do on vitamins and stuff is done by nurses and doctors who have an understanding of health and what to eat so the testing is false as their immune systems work better from the start, everything they tell you is twisted or skewed in their favour.



This is one of the first experiments financed by the FDA done by a school girl the FDA didn't even think of doing this until someone else suggested it
urbanlegends.about.com...

originally posted by: jinni73
This is the answer I would expect from a bot
NO testing was done on microwave cooking for 20 years yet pharmaceutical medicines need millions of dollars to get them approved.

Please list the testing that was done on an iron skillet on the stove:

Anyone can believe whatever they like but I assure you microwaving food is not good for you.

and no when amino acids suffer denaturation they do not get put back together correctly by your body LOL.

Amino acids aren't denatured, the proteins are. What do you think you are seeing when you fry an egg in a skillet?

Here is one experiment and other information

I think we covered this to death upthread. Short summary: incredibly poor experimental design that even a grade school science fair should have rejected. Two samples, no blinding. And her "results" are photoshopped.

1). Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes long term – permanent – brain damage by ‘shorting out’ electrical impulses in the brain [de-polarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue].

Your brain tissue isn't magnetized. You'll note they don't state any way this can happen, either. What exactly about microwaved food could cause this? You DO understand that the microwaves aren't still there in the food, right? Oh, and your neurons don't behave like wires, they really can't "short out".

2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food.

Again, you'll note they don't say how, exactly. This goes back to the stupid comment someone cited upthread about radiolytic compounds. Microwaves don't produce them.

It's the same for all this old list of "evil", the statements are ridiculous, there's no citations to something that actually demonstrates the claim, and you might as well add in "make your teeth fall out", "cause babies to grow extra noses" or the like.

There's another experiment which was the first one backed by the FDA which a girl proved xenoestrogens and pcb's I think were created from the plastic.

Not created from. Microwaves cause food to become hot. If you have a plastic that contains BPA or PCBs, then hot food can leach these from the plastic. You could get the same effect by putting food you'd heated in an iron skillet over a campfire into that type of plastic container. But if the container did NOT have these in its chemical structure, then a microwave can't put them there.

The microwaves concentrate the water molecules thereby concentrating the fluoride as well

Bull#.

originally posted by: jinni73
a reply to: DenyObfuscation
They do when your body is working correctly.

They do if you're digesting food. Because that's what happens to food when it's digested. You can't get food from the inside of your intestines into your blood without it being broken down into very simple compounds. That's how it works. You don't have bits of scrambled eggs and broccoli floating about in your blood. It's all reduced to simple sugars, ionic minerals, chylomicrons and aminos.

But the older you get you start losing certain chemicals mainly from the age of 27 but DHEA is reported to start declining from the age of 20, although if your body is growing up to the age of 27 I can't see why our main hormone starts to deteriorate so early, this then leads to aging and the less your body can do, you eventually hit a tipping point where denaturation becomes toxic to us you cannot rely on evidence that only works off of a healthy immune system,

DHEA has nothing to do with digestion. It also has little to do with your immune system, which has nothing to do with digestion. These are all separate things.

A lot of the testing they do on vitamins and stuff is done by nurses and doctors who have an understanding of health and what to eat so the testing is false as their immune systems work better from the start, everything they tell you is twisted or skewed in their favour.

Why does the health of the investigator change the results of a lab experiment? If Superman and Wonder Woman deprive you of Vitamin C, you'll get the same scurvy you'd get if the local wino did the experiment.

This is one of the first experiments financed by the FDA done by a school girl the FDA didn't even think of doing this until someone else suggested it

If you read to the end of the cite you posted instead of just googling keywords and stopping at the first bits where the bull# emails from the web are posted, you'd find that your cite agrees with me - if you heat food or place hot food into plastics that contain leachable toxins, then yes, you can get toxins leaching. That's sort of standard behavior for that kind of plastic. And again, if you put boiling hot spaghetti sauce from a solar stove, cooked in glass made by unicorns from the sands of the Sahara into that sort of plastic, you'll get the same behavior as if you'd microwaved it in that plastic. It's not a "microwave" thing. It's a "this plastic isn't food safe" thing.

My son in law had non hodgkins lymphoma and his Dr. warned him to avoid using microwaves. He was given a year to live. He beat it and it's been 7 years now and he still refuses to use one.
I don't know if it's dangerous or not...I use one every day so I hope his Dr. was just being over cautious.

Dear hopenotfeariswhatweneed:

I wasn't talking about your question as being stupid. I reread one of my posts and it could have been taken that way. Your question was perfectly ok.

I'm more appalled at the people promulgating the concept that a microwave oven can produce a type of compound you only see formed with really hard gamma radiation. It's the people who are trying to push that I was referring to.

a reply to: boymonkey74

If you turn one on while inside the microwave I think they can be dangerous.

I tried that but it didnt work. Cant get my hand to the controls. Can you come over and push the buttons to help me.

a reply to: nonspecific

most things man made out turn out to be damaging.

Does that allow you to cook with fire?...or thats right God gave fire to Prometheus

This is abovetopsecret.com. Of course you're going to have people tell you that microwaves ovens are bad for you and that they'll give you horrible cancers and stuff.

Yeah but I deny ignorance. I put ignorance in the microwave, turn the power up to 100 percentages and put stevie wonder on the turntable, playing "Hello, is it me you are looking at" on an loud volume. Then I place my spandex suit on myself and disco dance with extreme predjudice.

originally posted by: Sparky63
My son in law had non hodgkins lymphoma and his Dr. warned him to avoid using microwaves.

Oddly enough, most MDs don't get more than one semester of calculus and a minimum of physics - I think most schools require one semester of non-calculus based physics.

It's rare to see an MD who has more than a passing understanding of anything to do with EM. You do get the rare one who went into med school with an engineering degree.

eta: just looked at Keck School of Medicine, USC, and they basically tell you they don't care WHAT degree you held prior to application to med school, as long as you got good grades on the science courses you DID take. You then proceed to take jack # for any further physics or math, as far as I can tell. So it's whatever you got in undergrad for them, and they're a pretty good med school. I will say that I have been told that med schools in general look askance at non-tech undergrad degrees, like, say, journalism, and would snap up any half competent engineer. But you don't really have any written pre-req for math or hard sciences.

Harvard School of Medicine will let you combine one semester of calculus and one semester of calculus based science, either stats or physics. If you take one semester of calculus based physics you complete your entire hard science requirement. You must also have one each semesters of general and organic chemistry, and that's all you need.

a reply to: tastyrawmeat

If you are inventive, you can take out the magnetron and make a death ray.

Pew, pew, pew!

a reply to: Bedlam

Oddly enough, most MDs don't get more than one semester of calculus and a minimum of physics

I remember a MD that were not remembering the significance of the pH, precisely if high or low mean basic or acid. That's no joke!

MD are much too often put on an infaillible god like status...

originally posted by: PeterMcFly
a reply to: Bedlam

Oddly enough, most MDs don't get more than one semester of calculus and a minimum of physics

I remember a MD that were not remembering the significance of the pH, precisely if high or low mean basic or acid. That's no joke!

MD are much too often put on an infaillible god like status...

You get research MDs, a lot of them are pretty educated. Your general surgery, ER, family practice and what not have a hard time changing light bulbs. It's why I look askance when someone cites an MD as an authority on EM effects. In those studies, you might use an MD to write tests on the subjects but if you're expecting them (with rare exception) to produce valid commentary on field theory, you're wasting your time.

eta: it's as much a delight to work with an MD in an engineering project as it is a lawyer.

a reply to: tastyrawmeat
but you are damaging your health you cannot put dead food into you is their something wrong with how your brain works.

So you are going to ignore the advice from someone who has tested it and stated that their is no nutritional value left in the food,
also you don't think that superheating water molecules that contain thousands of chemicals is going to be good for you
do you have any idea of the amount of chemicals left in the tap water after it has been filtered?
what seems to be lacking in our world is people that have the ability to critically think to look at both sides of the argument, the tap water here in Sydney has been classified as toxic soup and has no relationship to water whatsoever.

If anyone reads this and is completely confused by all the liars that have come on here there can only be one truth we both can't be right
do not use microwave ovens the people who are trying to tell you this is safe have absolutely no idea research kinesiology and see how many people are cured just by not using their microwaves anymore.