DO YOU REMEMBER "Algore: "We Have Ten Years Left Before Earth Cooks""

a reply to: NavyDoc

WORSE, an international mulinational UN effort to BACK that snake oil is underway as we speak.
We sure could USE warmer climate, right now.

a reply to: greencmp
This is..um interesting
www.nationalreview.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: butcherguy

This is what Al Gore says he was predicting, but if you watch his movie, you will see that he was speaking about the rising sea levels caused by the melting (and BREAKUP HA HA HA) of Greenland and polar ice.

Polar ice cap? No, since sea ice doesn't really affect sea levels. I'm pretty sure Gore was aware of that fact.
And when did he say that might occur?

Go actually watch the movie, then we can talk.
AL Gore states that Greenland will melt and BREAK UP. Do you think he is aware that Greenland is a land mass???

Al Gore, it's just like current politics..extreme views on either side with the truth comfortably in the middle.
Get rid of him as a spokesman as he is not credible by any stretch.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Reminder: Ever since Global Warming (AKA Climate Change) has been a topic of discussion and debate, there have been countless people who without fail, every single winter, proclaim Climate Change to be a huge hoax because their toes get cold.

You're not unique or clever in saying such.

Another reminder: Weather != Climate

Where are the dead polar bears?
Why isn't Manhattan flooded?

Obama's science czar co-authored a book in the 1970's that told us the US could not support a population of 220 million people. He may be wrong on that one, seeing that the population exceeds 300 million and half of them are supported by the other half.

Considering America's crumbling economy and society, do you really think that guy is so wrong? Correlation does not necessarily equal causation, but it's certainty interesting to think about.

Not only do we support our needs for food, but we export a whole lot of it to other countries.
We power our electrical grid, we have more cars per capita than any leftist thinks we would have...
Do you have anything rationed today in the US... other than health care.
Yeah, I'd say he was wrong.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: butcherguy

Seriously, residential solar panels are an alternative. They work, I feel its vastly superior to solar farms and it keeps the "power" in the hands of the citizen.




Military grade panels are 50% better than civilian, but we are not allowed to buy them...

originally posted by: BlueJacket
Many of our environmental issues stem from our relationship with our soil. Permaculture has shown time and time again that we can effect change to the positive by a simple re-imagining of our social/economic paradigm.
deepgreenpermaculture.com...

oh yes I have seen permaculture works in re-vegetation of areas that were made barren by men farming or by fire. And eventually will brings water levels back up with the planting of large tree. If you take down all the trees your ground water drops.

It just takes time for permaculture to reach its peak in transforming the land.

a reply to: Greven

Larry David made tons of money of the movie as well. but frying pan or cook it is all semantics. the point being 15 years later and it is not a frying pan. Nor have the seas raised to any level that threatens life.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Dont get me wrong, I don't believe its the answer for the world, but the proper system can be highly efficient. The battery arrays have always been bunk, Im sorry you were taken in...

But dont misunderstand, I am no fan of Gore and his brand of alarmism

Yes, solar power is great when it is great but, it isn't always great though it keeps getting better and would get better faster if not subsidized.

Thankfully, many former eco-activists are changing their tune about nuclear energy. That is the undisputed and unassailable solution to clean abundant power.

a reply to: greencmp

the components of Home Solar Units are not durable, they are expensive and take more maintenance than they tell you. Plus you need to shield your panels from rocks, from tree branches caught in the wind, and mating birds, we had two fall as they were mating and it one panel and cracked it.

Solar is not a viable as some tell you. Trust me until they can power a house with them they wont help to power a whole city. And they barely power a house.

We would have lights on in the house, the fridge goes on and off and if the aircon went on or the washer POW! out went a fuse, turn everything off, replace fuse only to find the cells discharged. No power for the rest of the night.

Stick to power generated from steam, hydro, methane or oil. Solar is not ready yet.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: greencmp

the components of Home Solar Units are not durable, they are expensive and take more maintenance than they tell you. Plus you need to shield your panels from rocks, from tree branches caught in the wind, and mating birds, we had two fall as they were mating and it one panel and cracked it.

Solar is not a viable as some tell you. Trust me until they can power a house with them they wont help to power a whole city. And they barely power a house.

We would have lights on in the house, the fridge goes on and off and if the aircon went on or the washer POW! out went a fuse, turn everything off, replace fuse only to find the cells discharged. No power for the rest of the night.

Stick to power generated from steam, hydro, methane or oil. Solar is not ready yet.

All true, just saying that it is great when the circumstances justify it.

If you have the resources, flywheels are the best energy storage system. Separating hydrogen out of water with electrolysis, though terribly inefficient, is a close contender and has obvious advantages.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Larry David made tons of money of the movie as well. but frying pan or cook it is all semantics. the point being 15 years later and it is not a frying pan. Nor have the seas raised to any level that threatens life.

Semantics by Rush Limbaugh.

What does Larry David actually say? Again:

Larry David says, "You know, Al is a funny guy, but he's also a very serious guy who believes humans may have only 10 years left to save the planet from turning into a total frying pan."

A good number of climatologists think it's already too late to prevent some warming - that we have several degrees of warming baked in.

Frankly, I don't care what a former politician says all too much, but Limbaugh's take was not necessarily accurate.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

You are lumping an awful lot into just your experience, not too mention all the variables to your particular experience. Residential solar does have value and I too have experienced it. Is it perfect, or the best answer to pressing energy concerns, I'd agree and say no, but your experience is not the only one and there are very durable German systems and mounting hardware that argue very well against your absolute statement.

Sure a panel can be damaged, so can a window I guess you are going to choose to board up all of your windows? There are in fact a number of fully Net Zero energy homes out there. Having Solar without a well insulated house, complete with radiant floor heat, slab on grade, dual pane gas filled windows and doors etc...would not be the best method for assessing the efficiency of a solar panel. Solar panels Whole-sale aroud 500$ a piece its the contractor mark up and labor that makes it expensive.

Climate science aside...

Deniers of ATS are an utter embarrassment to this site. Any right-wing pundit can get you all doing a jig by simply saying the name Al Gore and you all just start hopping around completely and worse, happily, fact free. You don't have to even know any science whatsoever to fact check this heaping pile of BS, yet none of you can seem to bother. Even when someone comes along and posts whole quotes to you guys, you just turn the music up louder and keep on dancing.

Personally, I don't care one bit about Al Gore... that doesn't entitle me to misquote him continuously though. Here's a test, I wonder if any of you can rise to the challenge... Whenever one of your news dudes pops off about Al Gore, hop on a search engine and look for the entire quote, read the context. Deny ignorance.

originally posted by: and14263
Al Gore...

Huh,

yeah.

What is he good for? Absolutely nothing.

...say it again.

I have looked at the evidence and I have thought of things. In my thinking of things, I have come to many conclusions. My conclusions are that science is wrong I think, because I thought, I think. First off evolution. I don't understand it, it's not true if I can't understand it.

This is just like that! Anyway, I go with my gut and my gut says that global warming is a fraud perpetuated by the scientific community in order to raise taxes, depopulate, fluoridate, spray , take over the world, initiate in NWO, things that scare me.

Jeb 2016!

a reply to: butcherguy

He got it all wrong we are going to be experiencing extreme weather from both sprectrums we just had one of the coldest winter's in decades

truth propagate to personal money fear and risk to the author, for lying for author pay honorarium

a reply to: mangust69

Google translate did not do a very good job with what you're trying to express.

We should have had 100% green, fully self-sustainable, foolproof energy replacement technologies 30 fricken years ago.

The fact that we don't, tells you where our governments' priorities are at.

Governments, mainstream media, scientists... all jumping up and down on their soapboxes screaming AGW doomsday panic. And not a damn thing has been done to move us forward away from oil dependency.

You know what I call that ?

Lip service.



... somebody wake me up when the action finally kicks in.