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originally posted by: StanSchatt
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous
If beings existed outside our spectrum, we couldn't see them, but we probably would see some signs of them via our instruments if they were made of matter like we are.
I believe that everything that's alive vibrates at certain frequencies. All this talk about auras is probably based on that concept. While we are generally not aware of this except for the few "spiritual" folks who apparently can see auras, what if aliens vibrated in different frequency ranges. If that's the case, we might visit a planet and not really be able to see them even though our instruments might record something.
originally posted by: router404
Thanks Dr.Schatt and Jade Star. I hadn't actually considered the resolving power of current telescopes so take that on board. If only future tech and money could be driven in more peaceful directions like building better apparatus to enable scientists to at least try and observe these types of events or other solar or galactic engineering projects then we might find the evidence we're looking for if visitors aren't ever forthcoming.
This is a good question, but I would formulate it like this : have we ever had a human society which was not subject to scarcity ? My answer is no. As lifeforms we have needs, and if these needs are not met, survival instinct kicks in and it's where it becomes ugly. But it is at that exact point where ideology trumps science : we cannot say what "human nature" is, because we cannot separate humans from their environment : humans can be greedy if the circumstances, the environment forces them to, but they become altruists if the environment allows them to. We cannot separate the people from the circumstances of their time, we cannot observe people of let's say the 14th century in the middle of a war and say "look, this is human nature", or we cannot observe 3 guys in a shipwreck lost in the middle of the ocean fighting for the last can of food and say "look, this is the greedy human nature in action".
originally posted by: StanSchatt
a reply to: gosseyn
I think I understand your position. I know Star Trek postulated a world where there was no need for money and where everyone seemed to have enough to eat and a roof over their heads. Of course, it never showed how people evolved to that point. I think you're saying it is the system and not human nature that's the problem. I have a few questions you might want to consider because I don't know the answers. Have we ever had a social system that was totally equitable? If not, how could we "push" people with entrenched interests toward such a system? Humans evolution included a pretty bloody past. We either butchered or assimilated other branches of humanity. In part it has been our natural aggressiveness that has pushed us forward. How or why would that change now so that altruism rather than enlightened self-interest dominates?