who needs Drs and Healthcare when you have ATS?

I wouldn't be here typing this post today if my dermatologist hadn't of taken a pound of flesh from my chest. I'm lucky my melanoma hadn't metastasized and killed me.

The herbal therapy and percocet helped considerably with the residual pain.

a reply to: Night Star

What gets me is when someone will come right out and tell others that if they go the traditional route of chemo and radiation they will die. That is so ridiculous. There are people who have survived twenty and thirty years having had traditional treatments.

In my experience, more often than not, they do still die. Those who live 20 and 30 years after treatment are the exception, not the rule.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Ummm...don't flip out, man. You have the absolute right and, IMO, responsibility to either accept comments at face value, research the information for yourself, or ignore the comment.

You'e on the internet...in a forum. People speak, but it's up to you if you choose to listen.

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

I know .... Companies making big profit of these things, schooled doctors, suppressed information... I think I want my post to be true for purely selfish reasons. Because if I had to admit to myself that there is a miracle cure I would then be faced with the frustrating issue of getting loved ones to believe my new belief.

You don't have to have ten years in school to be able to deceminate information. Doctors have their hands tied by corporations. Besides book smart is not always best. Once i worked for a major company. Working with lasers. Work flow got slow as they were moving machines around and installing new ones. They appointed me as escort for EXPERTS from a company that made electron deposition machines. I had no experience with them. All i knew is they were having a problem. It had a leak. It is a high vacuum machine 10 with an exponent of -6 for vacuum. They could not find it with a spectrometer that they were using for sniffing helium that they spayed around seams to check for leaks. I said should be easy to find it is a big leak. They said it was a very small hole, hard to find. I said a small hole with a big leak because vacuum would not reach it's level and was leaking at 10 to the negative 6. I said just pull the wires, put a bag over the big parts, glove over others and a finger of a glove over the rest. They fought me told me i knew nothing about such machines and that i was pushing it by giving my opinion. Well a month went by, still not fixed and they were leaving in a couple days. They asked if i would work the weekend. I accepted. The experts weren't there but techs from their company were there. I pushed the issue. They tried it. Found the leak in minutes. That is only one example of me pushing book smarts out of the way. It has happened many times. a reply to: woodwardjnr

a reply to: roth1

Anyone who prides themselves on book smarts & their all powerful degrees make me sick. I have proudly dropped out of 3 universities. & get no satisfaction out of having my AA & enough "credits" for a bachelors.

Yes when i went to college. I went to learn. The degree i did not care about. Was upset they dropped some thins that made me choose that school too. I cared so little about the degree. They mailed it to me. lol. a reply to: Eunuchorn

I think it's safer to PREVENT diseases with alternative medicine than traditional medicine. Big pharma's got nothing on prevention other than pills which will make other parts of your body weaker and they really don't care because sick people are what's profitable.

We got doctors that are INDOCTRINATED with facts that fit with the agenda of big pharma.
If they disagree, they don't get the degree. You don't get degrees by asking questions or thinking by yourself, you get them by repeating.

I'm sorry to say, but perfect memorization is a thing of the past. Information is at the tip of our fingers now, so understanding and making connections is what's important now.

I will gadly use traditional medicine if I'm at the point of no return...but to first check sympthoms ourselves and prevent further complications with alternative medicine makes, at least to me, a lot of sense. Hell, most doctors won't even recommend vitamin C. A lot of health problems come from malnutrition. Our bodies need the right vitamins and minerals to function correctly, not pharma pills.

So thank you ATS and the internet for alternatives to traditional medicine.

a reply to: SlapMonkey I'm not flipping out. This is the rant section. It's a rant. Maybe it should be relabelled the moan section for a more tempered down thread

a reply to: woodwardjnr

pft....

OP obviously has not had enough Vitamin C....

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Thanks for the chuckle

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Well for starters,

1. I wouldn't come here and tell what was wrong with me or what symptoms I had if I don't want to listen to what members have to say.
2.Just because people post something on here,doesn't mean I have to believe it,the info is there for you to believe or not.Or even go and investigate it yourself.
3.Yes there are some quack posters that post any new thing they find on the net. Common sense should always apply.

Cancer is different for everyone. There are many variables. For some, traditional methods may or may not work, for others natural remedies may or may not work. As for eating healthy and doing all the right things...I can't tell you how many women who were receiving treatments with me did all the right things and were shocked they had any cancer at all.

I may still be here a year from now, I may not. I had a friend who tried the cannabis and he died anyway. People automatically believe that because something is natural/herbal it is completely harmless. People can die just from being allergic to something and that includes natural products. Nothing is guaranteed. What people decide to try is their own choice and no one else's.

originally posted by: superman2012

I find this jokey PSA to be offensive. The foul mouthed "doctors" come across as unprofessional, and if an MD spoke with me in this manner, I would fire them and move on to another MD that can speak with me, not at me, with some form of intelligence. Now with that said, doctors are not gods. They do not know everything. And if a doctor DID look at me and tell me that they know everything, again, I would fire them and be out that door. A good doctor will admit to not knowing it all.

My doctor ENCOURAGES me to do my research. Encourages me to be fully informed. I HAVE gone to my doctor with printed out material and studies I have looked up and discuss it with him. I HAVE taken alternative methods of treatments for various medical issues of mine, rather than traditional after much research and discussion with my doctor. My doctor respects me and I respect him. He doesn't talk down to me like I'm some clueless idiot.

I have a cousin who chose alternative medicine over traditional for her cancer, and she beat the cancer and has lived on to tell her tale. It worked for her. Does that mean it will work for everyone? Nope. Just as traditional medicine fails as well. I have little good things to say for chemo, as I have watched it kill every one of my family members who had cancer. They did not survive it, so I don't know what I will do if I were to be in such a situation. I'm not 100% against traditional mainstream medicine and I'm not 100% for it either. This is a personal choice for everyone.....just as vaccines SHOULD be a choice. NO ONE should force someone to put something into their body that they do not want there.

I have one fully vaccinated child who is very sickly all of the time. Was sickly in childhood and now in her young adulthood. And I have one child that has not had ONE vaccine at all, and she's incredibly healthy and strong, and is hardly ever sick. Even when my husband and I come down with something, she won't catch it. It has been two years since she had a cold, and that last cold was piddly, lasting 4 days for her.

The immune system is incredible when left alone.

Currently we live in a society that does not value its people. From considering our homeless to be disposable, our poor to not be worth a living wage and our elderly and veterans, groups to be forgotten about. Take from that what you will, it's the truth.

Only speaking for the west, we live where the people going to school to become Doctors are doing so for one of two reasons:

1)They can afford to go in the first place, and become Doctors as it is a good return for their investment.

2)Because they really want to help people - which is an increasingly smaller group with each passing year.

As far as point #1, I have known a few Doctors who hate people(or at least openly loathe them), and have chosen their profession based on the pay and perks it has the potential to provide. Some of them end up having their loans severely reduced, if they are willing to spend x number of years in a community with a shortage of Doctors, which will fast-track them to the wealthy lifestyle they seek.

For point #2, I also know other people who dearly wish they could have been Doctors, and they were certainly intelligent enough to do so - however they could not afford or did not qualify for loans to enable their schooling. So these truly caring folk who are passionate about helping people are sadly not looking after your loved ones today, simply due to our system and the fact that money(or the lack of) determines everyone's place in life - for better or for worse.

Until we live in a society, where people can choose a career based on what they dream of and have a passion for doing, and money is not a factor - in the medical industry and every industry - we will never have the brightest and best - only the ones with deep pockets and the connections that come with having grown up in a family of means.

It is what it is, and we created it, and desired to have a society that runs this way - and it will only get worse, as more and more people get left out of the education loop altogether due to economic conditions.

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Personally, I have had a couple of wrong diagnosis in my few years (and for simple things) - in an effort to solely to push this new medication or that one it would seem. I finally found resolution, when I researched on my own, and passed my findings onto a new Doctor who listened instead of pushing the free samples he was left with. The natural fix worked, in my case.

Whilst I will never proclaim that Doctors are not to be trusted and some are definitely very valuable in their capacity, I would consider that Doctors receive perks for pushing certain medications, as we know this to be fact, not conspiracy.

The sole reason that natural cures are not allowed to co-exist within the medical industry is because there is no profit to be made from them.

The one thing I will agree with, is to take everything you read online with a grain of salt, and do your own research. Find a Doctor who listens, if that is an option for you.

a reply to: Night Star

What gets me is when someone will come right out and tell others that if they go the traditional route of chemo and radiation they will die. That is so ridiculous. There are people who have survived twenty and thirty years having had traditional treatments.

I met a fella a few weeks ago who had been living with Melanoma for 20+ years.

20 years ago aggressive cancers were pretty much a quick death sentence. No real methods of treatment other than trying to cut it out and maybe radiate the area to hell and back.

He said he had forgotten how many surgeries/treatments/radiation/chemo and everything he had been through, but he felt like he was blessed to be alive. His attitude was very inspiring even though you could see the physical toll taken on him he was still alive and kicking ass.

Good to know that you're doing well and keeping your head up NS I always like reading your posts!

a reply to: Tatanka

wonderful

I have a family of 12 children (between the various cousins and nephews and nieces) who have had every vaccine available and are all strong as can be with healthy and wonderful minds.

That's precisely the point. WAY too many people think an anecdote can be generalized for all...People need to realize that generally speaking we are ALL pretty dumb...doctors and naturopaths alike. Make no mistake, if I wanted medical advice I'd likely see a doctor. If I want herbals I'd likely see a naturopath...at least to start. But the issue I take is that both sides are so holier-than-thou. Naturopaths want to tell me my problem of dehydration will ONLY be solved if I drink "alkaline" water.

Well...here I am...tested, tried and true and feeling 1000x better with my scary non-alkaline water

On the other hand, one of the doctors I knew once told me the only way to cure my neck issues was flexiril, physical therapy and such

Went to the chiropractor 5 times, acupuncturist and massage

I am down from one migraine a week to...well I haven't had one in a year...and that was before I even began my hydration routine

Both sides need a massive chill pill and very fast

Because like it or not, both sides are out for money many times. But I sure as heck went to a surgeon when my shoulder needed a partial reconstruction...because the naturopath who suggested a pineapple and celery drink regimen and Bromalein/Chondritin didn't fix a thing. Yeah admittedly I was stupid for taking the bait. That WAS my fault...

Regardless, the point still stands. Anecdotes are great for one person...the person it happened to.

Still though I regularly choose an MD/DO over naturals for most anything and I am doing amazing. But then again...I'm just an anecdote...and my own rule works the same for me.

Why? because we are all different.