who needs Drs and Healthcare when you have ATS?

isnt it great we have so many medical experts here who can diagnose and cure your cancer or recommend you don't have your child vaccinated. Who needs those doctors who spend the best part of 10 years studying in med schools and hospitals before they can practice? People who have devoted their lives to medicine and research. Who needs them right?What's the big deal over obamacare or health care in general. , when you can just come to ats to have your ailmen diagnosed and cured by members of a conspiracy message board, whose paranoid belief that the medical industry is trying to kill you or give your kids autism. Maybe before certain members give their expert medical advice, we should ask for some credentials? Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I sure like to know my brain surgeon has some experience, before he takes a saw to my skull. Maybe I should get a friend to do it for me, someone that doesn't want to kill me to satisfy big pharma and their evil desire to depopulate the human race. Maybe I shouldn't get the kids vaccinated against controllable diseases and let them infect other kids who are too young for vaccinations risking other kids deaths. Not my kids. Next time you fall and crack your head open, don't go to the hospital. Fix it yourself. If you ever feel a lump on your testicles or breast, don't check it out, just have a go at removing it yourself or just start a diet of baking soda and you'll be fine. Whatever you do, don't ask a medically trained Dr for their opinion, they are probably lying to you. If you somehow find out you have cancer without it being diagnosed by a medical specialist, just prey to the big man upstairs and he will cure it.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Good luck. I bet if you got very ill you would go and see a professional!

The "diagnosis by Google", coupled with the quack medicine based on pseudo science is a quick way to an early grave.

I would rather rely on experts who have a vested interest, than amateurs who have a Smartphone and an opinion!

You only have to see one of those HUGE radiotherapy devices which cost millions to realise that Cannabis does not cure cancer. Cancer research and cancer units would not be spending millions on these devices otherwise.

Most people who give their view on how to cure your illness are young kids who have read too much conspiracy based medical postings.

As an adult it is easy to understand that anything medical related not spoken from a doctor's mouth should be taken with a pinch of salt. And as for taking medical posts on ATS seriously - never.

(My brain does not work hence the poor sentences).

a reply to: and14263
Of all the members I know on ATS who have cancer, we are all still here, because we chose the traditional medical route, not some untested alternative fad. OK the side effects of the traditional route can be brutal, but the best side effect is still being alive and I know most people would rather have their cancer diagnosed by a specialist. I'm not aware of any alternative means of diagnosis

a reply to: woodwardjnr

It's all unscientific, and highly subjective, but would you live longer with prostrate cancer trying alternative cures, or would you live longer with proper 21st century medical intervention?

How about these commoner cancers...

Breast cancer
Bowel cancer
Malignant melanoma
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma
Bladder
Kidney

Do you live longer with untreated breast cancer?

If I was diagnosed with cancer of the bowel, I would be thankful I live in a country with decent medicine. I would not revert to enemas with a fusion of pig-wort and henna because some unnamed quack heard it helped someone else, somewhere.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

i tried to read your post, but it's too blocky and i kept losing my place.

nobody is forcing you to clicky the linky. i've had huge amounts of chemo and now know what i need to do to keep my body satisfied.

i read most of them to get another perspective of somethings, but i don't follow them to a tee.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

I agree wholeheartedly with your OP.

I can't tell you how many times I've been blatantly told about some miracle cure on here, some herb/plant/oil/vitamin/berryjuice/mineral/whatever that somebody read about in the latest issue of crazy crazy monthly and all I have to do is take it and my cancer will just go away. And all of the medical establishment is suppressing it too.

I had some very outstanding doctors and oncologists take care of me and still do thank God. To think that these people don't care about their patients and are willingly letting them suffer and die is the worst kind of insult to them. The whole time I was at treatment and my tumors were dying the doctors were ecstatic to be able to give at least one of their patients some good news. I can only imagine how much they tire of giving out bad news with a disease like Melanoma that kills 80 percent a year after diagnosis.

I just think its ironic as hell that western medicine saved my life, especially after reading so many of these "weed cures cancer" type threads I see on here all the time. If that was the case I would have never gotten it to begin with.

I don't agree at all with alternative medicine, but sometimes a person needs hope and other avenues. I just hope that a person doesn't completely discount a Dr's advice..

Great OP! I am sure big pharma is proud of you and pleased that your conditioning has taken so well. Unless it costs big dollars it can't work, right?

a reply to: woodwardjnr
I have two family members dead because of mistakes made by medical professionals, and one friend who is alive today because of wacky alternative medicine. I have also known people who died because they wouldn't go to the damn doctor, and get treated.

Maybe instead of blanketing everything, we can just realize that modern medicine isn't perfect, but it's the best we have right now. And alternative treatments sometimes have their place, but there are a lot of quacks just trying to make a buck off someone else's suffering. Not that the mainstream doesn't have it's own quacks. It does to be sure.

I am all for trying alternative treatments for things that aren't life threatening, or when the medical professionals have done all they can do. I don't trust either, but I'm willing to look at both depending on the circumstances.

I actually just thought about making a thread to put on ATS as to why you should...go to the doctor's, kind of funny you put this up. I am one of those people who hates doctors/hospitals and didn't/won't go, not even if I hear/feel a pop, not even if I am doubled over in pain, not even if my ruptured appendix is killing me, not until I can no longer put my own clothes on.

I just got released from the hospital on Saturday from a burst appendix. I had to have pretty major surgery and spend five days in the hospital, whats worse is that instead of being so freaked over the doctors office and afraid of what I might catch or who might be paid by big pharma, I could have gone when I was still in minor pain and had a whole appendix removed and not one in pieces.

Frack, I understand these people your op speaks of, but to those people I say "you might have to make the choice to live or die one day, choose life", not tea, or vitamins, or whatever.

Alternative medicine serves a purpose, but don't let its purpose be to make the world a bigger place for everyone else.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Good doctors are worth their weight in gold... nay! make that platinum... or palladium... but bad doctors likewise can cause that much trouble for their patients.

I'll just take a guess here that you've never woken up at three in the morning with the most excruciating and debilitating pain ever because your fallopian tube just ruptured from the growing embryo within and you're about to bleed to death internally... but the OB-GYN you told your symptoms to just laughed at you a week before and said it was all part of a normal pregnancy... trust him...

I'll also trust that you've never had a tumor the size of a football in your uterus, pressing on and growing into your organs, but you were told by the HMO that it must not be that bad because your iron levels are still within normal range (totally ignoring that you've been supplementing with 80mg daily to prevent low iron!)... just trust him...

I'll also trust that you didn't get a MRSA during surgery, which ultimately turned you into a septic mess, and the docs could only tell you that there was nothing left to do, and to get your affairs in order... just trust him, right?

If I had put my explicit trust in any of these doctors, I would not be here today. I'm here by the grace of God and my own efforts... and a couple of absolutely amazing doctors (DOs, not MDs) who introduced me to alternative therapies, including natural antibiotics and nutritional supplements when we learned the hard and scary way that my son is allergic to common antibiotics.

Doctors are not omnipotent. Medical science is not omnipotent. Big Pharma is not omnipotent. All have their limits. All are subject to human failings. All learn new truths every day -- many of which prove completely false previously "known truths." Good doctors are a Godsend and a blessing. But they are not perfect, and they are not our only hope.

Self-sufficiency is always our best hope. The more we can do for ourselves, the better for everyone.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Great OP! I am sure big pharma is proud of you and pleased that your conditioning has taken so well. Unless it costs big dollars it can't work, right?

I just took the advice of Drs, when they discovered a massive Tumor in my brain. I'm also british , which means I've paid absolutely nothing towards my treatment. Not even for the 10 week counselling sessions after treatment. I took the treatment available to me, which interestingly is the exact same treatment I would have received at an American hospital for the same diagnosis , I checked.

It makes me LoL that people think modern healthcare is real. By all means, keep getting your vaccs & chemo.

Id rather die from cancer than support the regime anyday.

I had survived breast cancer. I had two kinds of breast cancer and one was aggressive. I too went the traditional route and had an awesome team of Doctors and Nurses. They cared not only for my physical problems but was interested in my emotional well being as well. That was a few years ago and so far I'm still here.

I once thought I would take a natural approach if I ever got cancer, but it's quite a different story when you are actually sitting in some office with a Doctor telling you that you have aggressive cancer.

What gets me is when someone will come right out and tell others that if they go the traditional route of chemo and radiation they will die. That is so ridiculous. There are people who have survived twenty and thirty years having had traditional treatments.

a reply to: and14263

You only have to see one of those HUGE radiotherapy devices which cost millions to realise that Cannabis does not cure cancer. Cancer research and cancer units would not be spending millions on these devices otherwise.

ROALMFAO. Thanks

a reply to: woodwardjnr

You are your #1 health advocate in this world and you always will be. Don't worship technocrats, they lie.

The Medical Dr. is a consultant at best and a pill pusher at worst. Dr.s are wrong a lot. Like this whopper

More than 100k/year die as a direct result of pharmaceuticals

"It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine." -Marcia Angell, MD ("Drug Companies and Doctors: A story of Corruption." NY Review of Books, Jan. 15, 2009.)

originally posted by: Night Star
I had survived breast cancer. I had two kinds of breast cancer and one was aggressive. I too went the traditional route and had an awesome team of Doctors and Nurses. They cared not only for my physical problems but was interested in my emotional well being as well. That was a few years ago and so far I'm still here.

I once thought I would take a natural approach if I ever got cancer, but it's quite a different story when you are actually sitting in some office with a Doctor telling you that you have aggressive cancer.

What gets me is when someone will come right out and tell others that if they go the traditional route of chemo and radiation they will die. That is so ridiculous. There are people who have survived twenty and thirty years having had traditional treatments.

BMJ study of what Dr.s tell patients about Chemo in advanced cancer cases

During the consultations, information given to patients about survival benefit included numerical data (“about four weeks”), an idea of timescales (“a few months extra”), vague references (“buy you some time”), or no mention at all. In most consultations (26/37) discussion of survival benefit was vague or non-existent

The search for effective treatments continues but, at the advanced stages of cancer, survival gain from palliative chemotherapy tends to be months rather than years. Statistics relating to survival benefit can be contested, prompting concerns among clinicians about how patients can make informed decisions if experts do not agree among themselves.19 Furthermore, there are concerns that the “intrusiveness of unfavourable numbers” can undermine healthcare relationships and destroy hope.2

originally posted by: superman2012

Are all Dr's stiffled by groupthink? No.

They tell you there is no scientifiec evedence. They lie.