Masonry....and Christianity are un-Christian according to this.

a reply to: iNobody
Your self righteousness aside, you indeed provided your interpretation of the scripture. The Bible does state that the soul can be eternal, but it's at the Judgment of God.

EDIT: You clearly have not had any personal experience in regards to your suppositions and Freemasonry.

a reply to: KSigMason

I claim no righteousness on my own part. And you only rehash only what has already been quoted from scripture which you are quite aware of. Which in and of itself is quite curious as to the nature of your doing such a thing.

As far as me being a Freemason it is clear I never was one, and know only what my grandfather shared with me, and all of the books he had on it which he gave me and I have read. Which were many. Among other people in my life whom I know and have had contact with.

I was very forthcoming with all of this and shared it freely. Your statement of such is redundant.

ETA:

As far as personal experience, you are wrong. I have had much personal experience with all that was related. To think that it is obvious that is not the case is to be blind.

a reply to: KSigMason

Its obvious that I dont speak for all Christians, since apparently most dont read their bibles anymore.

If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” (John 8: 42-47)

These are Jesus' own words. If those who reject Jesus are not of the Father, but Satan, then obviously there is no real Universal Brotherhood of man.

There are the wheat and the tares, the sheep and the goats, no Universal Brotherhood.

If your fellow masons share your foul attitude, I dont think I would want to join your brotherhood if the bible did permit it.

So, if you do believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you should have no business with the Masons.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

This is a true statement. Although I think it wrong for you to use the title priest. No one on earth is a priest of God today. Although the High Priest Jesus resides in heaven, and soon will have many priests at his side.

A few days ago I had a neighbor who knows who I am ask me if he was a son of God. And I did not want to be rude to him and shared the scripture that stated that everyone owes their family name to Jehovah, whether in heaven or on earth.

Yet the scripture I thought of, when he asked me the question was this one:

(Ephesians 2:2) . . .in which you at one time walked according to the system of things of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.


Yeah, "sons of disobedience" is who they are, and they are alienated from God:

(Ephesians 2:12) . . .At that time you were without Christ, alienated from the state of Israel, strangers to the covenants of the promise; you had no hope and were without God in the world.

a reply to: iNobody

This is a true statement. Although I think it wrong for you to use the title priest. No one on earth is a priest of God today. Although the High Priest Jesus resides in heaven, and soon will have many priests at his side.

On the contrary, Jesus has made all of His believers Royal Priests after the order of Mekhi-Tzedek. We are able to confess our own sins to God (1John 1:9). And when Jesus returns, we will minister to the world as King-Priests under Christ. For now, we are in the training phase, so I am simply a believer-priest.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Dear believerpriest.

It is true, that in the future a few select from earth will be king-priests to Jehovah God in heaven over humankind, they are not in that position as of yet.

As far as the one who Melchizedek the king-priest of Salem represented, it is only Jesus himself. And the king of Salem who blessed Abraham known as Melchizedek was most likely Shem, the one who remained faithful of Noah's 3 sons. And the one who broke Nimrod to pieces.

a reply to: iNobody
I am just reinforcing the points.

I’d also ask whether or not your grandfather was in a right frame of mind.

Personal experience and discussing Freemasonry requires one to have been a Mason. You haven’t so to say you have personal experience with what goes on in Freemasonry is a lie.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
Well, I have read the Bible.

I prefer John 13:34-35 – “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

You just continue to prove to be a follower of hatred.

Foul? What is foul about it? The Bible doesn’t forbid joining Freemasonry.

So, if you do believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you should have no business with the Masons.

Why? There’s nothing in Freemasonry that contradicts my faith. In fact, my faith has only strengthened since joining Freemasonry.

I have a pretty fair grasp on my own faith as well as Freemasonry. I have yet to find something that would shake my faith to its core…but then again, I’ve never been an insecure person.

a reply to: iNobody

I understand your point, but look at our status in Christ today. In ancient Israel, the Jews had to confess their sins through Levitical priests, yet now, we simple confess our personal sins on an individual level directly to God. What changed?

In this age, all believers are priests who represent themselves before God, in the next age, those same priests will represent the unresurrected members of the Millenium to God.

Im not a priest in the conventional sense, but still a priest nonetheless...I represent myself before God.

a reply to: KSigMason

Nevermind, you missed my point entirely, go back to your lodge.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

You do well in your understanding as far as you understand.

As far as priests? During the time of the judges each family head was a priest before God.

Today people are to confess their sins before the elders of the Christian congregation. They are not priests, but have been put in place to readjust the sinners, and help the holy ones achieve their heavenly goal.

(James 5:14) 14 Is there anyone sick among you? Let him call the elders of the congregation to him, and let them pray over him, applying oil to him in the name of Jehovah.

a reply to: KSigMason

John 13:34-35 doesn't leave much room for dogma as a litmus test, does it? I mean, how are fundamentalists supposed to rule the post-apocalyptic world if their dogmatic rigidity is worthless?

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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
What point did you have?

I'm not buying your rigid and misguided views of my own faith and my affiliation with the Freemasons.

a reply to: visitedbythem

When you say a "Satanic cross" do you mean the inverted cross that many heavy metal bands/teenagers who hate their parents use? If so, wasn't the upside down cross a personal trademark that Saint Peter used because he didn't feel worthy to die like Jesus (maybe I'm wrong it's been a very long time since I was in Sunday school)? What kind of Satanist was your wife's great grandfather and are you sure he's a Masons/belonged to a recognized lodge?

a reply to: Develo

If someone looking for answers about free-masonry goes to an evangelical and fundamentalist website, he has already made his mind anyway.

I have to somewhat disagree with that statement but I do believe it's true for some. There are Christians who know very little about Freemasonry and if they go looking for honest answers, there is a good chance they will ask their Priest or trust a Christian site over a Freemason info site. There have been plenty of ats members (some Freemasons some not) who have posted similar stories and I have a similar story that has to do with my Grandfather's friends at his Church saying crazy things/pretty much shunning him because he was a Freemason.

a reply to: tonton20

You saw a documentary on what? I think you might of replied to me but your comment was meant for someone else. So you believe Freemasonry takes men (mostly Christians), lies to them, and then surprises them after they spent time/money by saying surprise we actually worship Satan/you have been praying to him all this time? How in the heck would a group last more than a few years with that model and if they wanted people to worship Satan then why would they bring in tons of members who are religious and not okay with people telling them what God to worship? What about Freemasonry makes it power hungry and what satanic symbols do they use?


Edit: What about all the "high ranking" ats Freemasons on here who claim that is a bunch of crap? Are they lying to us or not "high enough yet"?

a reply to: KSigMason

My point was the very same point I made in my first post: there is no Universal Brotherhood of man (as taught by the masons), Jesus made that much clear. So how do you justify joining a fraternal order that teaches Universal Brotherhood when Jesus said only His believers are His brothers and sisters?

Freemasonry may have been crafted to accept all religious creeds, but Christianity separates itself from such worldly organizations.

a reply to: iNobody

James 5:14 is about healing through prayer, so it is only appropriate to confess sins to the elders when a specific sin has caused an illness, but yes that is a priestly function. All other sins need to be confessed directly to God the Father by the individual. This can only be done because of our priestly position in Christ.

Rev 1:6"...who has made us kings and priests." Notice that it says Jesus "HAS made us", not 'WILL make us'. We are already Kings and Priests, we are simply learning the royal and priestly lifestyle and waiting to recieve the kingdom.

If you believe in Christ, then you are a priest too. Your ministry is limited to yourself in this age, but it will be expanded at our resurrection.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
And I would disagree as a Christian. In Freemasonry though, we say the "Brotherhood of Man", again, something conducive with Christianity. Christ taught of the love of God and that we are to love one another; the Bible is chocked full of verses concerning the brotherhood of man.

Freemasonry may have been crafted to accept all religious creeds, but Christianity separates itself from such worldly organizations.

No, not Christianity, "christians" separate themselves.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
And I would disagree as a Christian. In Freemasonry though, we say the "Brotherhood of Man", again, something conducive with Christianity. Christ taught of the love of God and that we are to love one another; the Bible is chocked full of verses concerning the brotherhood of man.

Freemasonry may have been crafted to accept all religious creeds, but Christianity separates itself from such worldly organizations.

No, not Christianity, "christians" separate themselves.

(John 15:19) . . .If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.


(2 Corinthians 6:17, 18) . . .“‘Therefore, get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take you in.’” 18 “‘And I will become a father to you, and you will become sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah, the Almighty.”


Notice a true servant of the true God is separate from this world. And you can only become a child of the Father if you get out from among them, and quit touching the unclean thing.

iNobody, would you be disappointed if you weren't among the 144.000 chosen ones? The seats are limited you see.