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originally posted by: TrueMessiah...
Sure it would help that all dates, locations, etc. were definite but the waters aren't severely muddied and the phenomenon isn't tarnished to the point of complete dismissal due to minor indiscrepancies. The fact still remains that these occurrences do still exist and are still real. And even if that one quote or date or whatever is deemed unsubstantiated, there are more legitimate cases properly sourced that can take it's place. To me, it kind of comes off as nitpicking in effort to invalidate the phenomenon as a whole. A common debunk tactic.....
originally posted by: JimOberg
originally posted by: TrueMessiah...
Sure it would help that all dates, locations, etc. were definite but the waters aren't severely muddied and the phenomenon isn't tarnished to the point of complete dismissal due to minor indiscrepancies. The fact still remains that these occurrences do still exist and are still real. And even if that one quote or date or whatever is deemed unsubstantiated, there are more legitimate cases properly sourced that can take it's place. To me, it kind of comes off as nitpicking in effort to invalidate the phenomenon as a whole. A common debunk tactic.....
Not a 'debunk tactic,' but a hard and fast rule of scientific proof. Your cavalier attitude to reliability of evidence is hardly uncommon, buy strikes me as the fundamental flaw in the pro-UFO argument. If the quality of evidence doesn't matter, or is trumped by quantity, how can you avoid believing in ghosts, human levitation, human-animal metamorphosis, or chemical conversion of lead to gold -- all of them substantiated by numerous stories, "only one of which has to be true to verify the phenomenon".
It's an explain-away gimmick for lousy research and scholarship. And it has crippled the credibility of UFO claims, IMHO.
originally posted by: Forensick
originally posted by: machineintelligence
An Extraterrestrial Presence On Earth is likely in my opinion.The universe has been creating life long before our existences. The architecture of this universe reveals the authors and their presence everywhere within their own work.
I believe there must be other life forms out there, but I would counter that ET presence on Earth is unlikely. We would be like finding a needle in a haystack inside a football stadium filled with haystacks.
It massive out there, as much as I would like it to be true, I just cant imagine these little craft flying billions of miles just to hover around Earth, flitting around, landing in forests and crashing now and again.
A device that definitively, without any ambiguity, would prove that what they are saying is an absolute, recorded, original experience.
For the first time, researchers at the University of Pennsylvania are able to pinpoint brain waves that distinguish true from false memories, providing a better understanding of how memory works and creating a new strategy to help epilepsy patients retain cognitive function
originally posted by: 1Providence1
a reply to: TrueMessiah
What they say is true: You have to see it to believe it.
I've seen so many things, with intelligence to their timing, there is far far more to this world and our surroundings than many people will accept.
The mechanics of observed PROVEN craft, far beyond the bounds of our technology.
Craft observed to literally warp out through some type of wormhole/hyperspace.
Descriptions and drawings of saucers and other aerial craft dating all the way back to 10,000 BC, far before the last 100 years.
Proof of an immense virtually infinite Universe.
Proof of quatrillions upon quatrillions of exoplanets per caluclations via our exoplanet program.
There is only one answer.
“It was approximately 50 feet in length. There were portholes on the side but there were no visible signs of propulsion. The ship appeared to be metallic and gave off a bright glow. There was a low whirring sound coming from it.”
Police Constable Brian Earnshaw - Bacup, Lancashire,October 1969
Two other uniformed officers, PC Colin Donahoe and Malcolm Reader also witnessed the object from a different location.
“There was an eerie, greenish-grey glow in the sky. Then I picked out an object about thirty feet long and built up in three sections with the top looking like a dustbin lid. It gave off a high pitched whine. I was paralysed. I just couldn’t believe it.”
Police Constable Colin Perks - Wilmslow, Cheshire,March 1966
"The light would throb with an increased intensity prior to each change of colour and hover in the sky for some time and then dart and cover large distances, doing a number of right-angled turns at high speed".
Senior Constable Andrew Luhrs -Gladstone,Southern Australia,May 22, 1996
"I happened to look up and there was that UFO right above the cornfield, it was just hovering right up above the power lines. -i t was just like the ones you see on TV.
Then it took off like a bullet, just tremendously fast -if I live to be 100, I'll never forget it,"
Henrico County Sheriff A.D. "Toby" Mathews Richmond , Virginia, United States August 9, 1966
"At first I though we were seeing a ship on fire on the horizon towards Ilfracombe. But then it rose out of the water like a blood-red sun, a good deal larger than a full-sized harvest moon.It remained at sea level, then suddenly took off at a fantastic speed towards the Atlantic."
Chief-Inspector Reginald Jones, of "D" Division, Glamorgan Police - object also witnessed by another officer,09-01-1957.
"It was cigar shaped and yellow in colour.It travelled along slowly for a few seconds, then shot off into the night at a fantastic speed. We didn’t know what it was, nor had we ever seen anything like it but many reports have been made at the police station of strange lights and objects".
Police Constable William Bryne -Banbury, Oxfordshire.
Object also witnessed by Police Constable Perry Jackson.
"It was a giant plate of light. It lit up the whole horizon with a glare. It was flying low over the landscape and appeared to be spinning"
Police Constable Eric Pinnock - Warminster, Wiltshire,30/11/65
There was light coming out from little windows and light changed colors several times, from soft blue to red to green and other colors. It didn't spin or anything. It just hovered around there -then the thing just picked up and took off, north west, toward Satartia."
Madison County Sheriff's Deputy Kenneth Creel - Flora, Mississippi, United States,February 10, 1977
"We made several attempts to follow it, or I should say get closer to it, but the object seemed aware of us and we were more successful remaining motionless and allow it to approach us, which it did on several occasions.Each time the object neared us, we experienced radio interference.
The object was shaped like a football, the edges, or I should say outside of the object were clear to us...the glow was emitted by the object, was not a reflection of other lights".
California Highway Patrol Officer Charles A. Carson - California, United States, August 13, 1960.
Object also witnessed by Police Officer Stanley Scott
Object also witnessed by Highway Patrolman Louis Younger
"The bulk of the object was plainly visible at this time and appeared to be triangular shaped with a bright purple light on the left end and the smaller, less bright, blue light on the right end. The bulk of the object appeared to be dark gray in color with no other distinguishing features. It appeared to be about 200 feet wide and 40-50 feet thick in the middle, tapering off toward both ends. There was no noise or any trail. The bright purple light illuminated the ground directly underneath it and the area in front of it, including the highway and the interior of our patrol car.
After arriving at approximately its original position,it went straight up in the air and disappeared at 25-30 degrees above the horizon."
Deputy Sheriff Bob Goode Damon, Texas, United States September 3, 1965
Object also witnessed by Chief Deputy Billy McCoy
He just stood there with his mouth open for a minute, as bright as it was, and he looked down. And I started looking down and I looked at my hands and my clothes weren't burning or anything, when it stopped right over on top of us.The only thing, the only sound in the whole area was a hum...like a transformer being loaded or an overloaded transformer when it changes....
.... it went PSSSSSHHEW, straight up; and I mean when it went up, friend, it didn't play no games; it went straight up."
Deputy Sheriff Dale Spaur, Portage County Incident, Ohio, April 17, 1966
Also witnessed by Deputy Wilbur Neff.
"This object came at us from the west. At first it looked like a red hot piece of coal about the size of a quarter held at arm's length. In a matter of seconds it was as large as a ruler held at arm's length. That is when it came to a complete stop.
"The shape of the object was distinct. The body of the object was solid bright red and it gave off a pulsating red glow completely around the object. The object hovered a few seconds, then made a left turn and again hovered for a few seconds, then went straight up like a shot. We watched it until it completely faded beyond the stars."
Patrolman LeRoy A. Arboreen - Dunellen, New Jersey, United States December 20, 1958
Object also witnessed by Patrolman B. Talada`
originally posted by: TrueMessiah
There are more but now I'm tired of copy/pasting.
originally posted by: DarthFazer
originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: Seeker7
There's the other possibility. There are no ETs visiting. After all, if any ET capable of interstellar travel wanted to disclose themselves, nobody could stop them.
Secret aircraft requires one conspiracy for secrecy for the usual, obvious reasons.
ET requires two secret conspiracies for no clearly convincing reasons.
Or there is another possibility.
They are not ET but ....
Our future descendants or
Our ancestors from a lost civilization
Or something we have yet to understand entirely. I can only say that the phenomenon is real and it is part of our reality. Whether you choose to accept it or not.