OH NOOO!,ISIS Destroys 3,000-Year-Old Mosul Museum Artifacts

a reply to: Stormdancer777

I do not know if its been posted, but here is a response to the atrocity.

"These barbarians, criminals, terrorists are trying to destroy the heritage of humanity and civilization of Iraq," said Iraqi Prime Minister who was at the inauguration of the museum.

"I will hunt and will pay for every drop of blood spilled in Iraq and the destruction of our culture," he added.

Original link in Greek : link

and the google translation : Opened after 12 years

Peace

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: UnBreakable
originally posted by: gort51

Unbreakable: Have to agree with this. Granted Saddam and Ghadafi were tyrants BUT there was order because these people were too afraid to pull this crap under those regimes. Iraq and Libya turned into sh!tholes after we stuck our nose in their business and removed those guys. The USA had a hand in helping to create this mess. Although ruling by fear is bad, those people can only be controlled by instilling fear. That's why they respond by their own brand of terror.

I imagine some 'peoples' need a sledge hammer to rule them into obedience, you remove the dictator and all hell breaks loose. These countries will never be 'democracies' they just don't think that way. Guidance (for them) comes from a heavy hand, I guess "Its this or else and bear the consequences of Sharia law". Definitely not a situation one could overlay the idea of the separation of "Church and State" (what is that, what does it mean) that wouldn't be understood (by them) for 100 years. ISIS lives in medieval times. If you live in Saudi Arabia it is a crime to be anything other than Muslim.

I Agree. Had we kept Sadaam Hussien alive, this wouldn't be happening, nor would do many lives be lost. Yes, Sadaam killed lots of people himself, but he knew how to keep these animals tamed. This disgusts me. Absolutely disgusts me. I may need to tell my wife I'm going to join the armed forces just to take out a few of them.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Has Anyone Stopped and Thought that Maybe this Video could Possibly be a HOAX ? A Bunch of Fanatics Smashing Replicas of Ancient Persian Statues and Relics for purely Propaganda Reasons ? Don't Believe Everything you see coming from a MSM Feed Nowadays , it's Usually just a bunch of B.S.

You have a valid point, why destroy priceless artifacts that you have been selling to fund your cause. The larger ones they couldn't move easily NO, those were not plaster replicas. MSM Feed? why would they bother, the videos come directly from ISIS (you notice the editing here, slow motion dramatics?)

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: AuranVector


vethumanbeing: "Muslims that are moderate really need to get a grip on this thing that is ruining/corrupting the Koran's teachings. Do they not understand a 'reformation' needs to take place NOW; similar to the Christian reformation. They do not see what is coming; their own murder because they are not Jihadists, joining fighting along side them. Are they not the least bit worried? I would be. Where does Kuwait and Saudi Arabia stand on this."

"'Jihadi Johnny' (the well spoken one that their figurehead; behind the Teenage mutant ninja turtle mask that beheaded 4 people on camera) was just identified as Kuwaiti born; educated in London coming from a very wealthy family (that's embarrassing). I hope someone put a bounty on his head."

AuranVector: "These ISIS/ISIL jihadists are NOT "ruining/corrupting" the Koran's teachings (as you say) -- they're following it. Muhammad prohibited idolatry. Idols of gods are destroyed.

It doesn't matter to these vicious, moral cretins that the idols are priceless, irreplaceable artifacts of human history. Islam has been toxic from its inception -- that's what the world needs to wake up to.

It's a "violent, totalitarian political system disguised as a religion." It's never been a spiritual path."


vethumanbeing: "Prohibiting 'idolatry' is a long way from killing anyone not of ones faith. Do you realize if this ideology was exacted by all religious faiths discriminating against one another EVERYONE WOULD BE DEAD AT EVERYONE ELSES HANDS? "

It's probably a mistake to even respond to your post. I cite the Islamic prohibition of idolatry as the reason why these ISIL criminals are destroying these ancient artifacts (the topic of this thread).

Muhammad did have people who refused to accept him as "the true prophet of God" beheaded.
He also sold women and children into slavery. He condoned the pimping out of female slaves. And he was a pedaphile himself.

Muhammad is considered a role model by Muslims.

Muhammad did NOT instruct that ALL Infidels be murdered. Infidels could be allowed to live as second-class citizens (Dhimmis) who paid taxes to their Muslim overlords, as long as they followed certain Islamic laws. They could NOT criticize Muhammad or his Qu'ran and live.

AuranVector: "I need to add: Jihadi Johnny is not from a "very wealthy family" -- he's from a middle-class family (father was a taxi driver). JJ managed to get a computer degree from a university in London. So, no, he's not some disadvantaged youth in dire need of a job."


vethumanbeing: "That's right 'anyone' that lives in Kuwait as a citizen born HAS TO WORK FOR A LIVING (really? NO!!!!) they exist on oil stipend/subsidies (DOL). I suppose 'Cab driver' family lived Bedouin style outside the city in a tent; actual cab was a camel; and was STILL able to send his son to 'tony' LONDON *expensive* to live within and also pay his schooling on a cab drivers pay? At least you agree he was not a disadvantaged youth; PROBLEM, his parents spawned SATANS SON and for whatever reason FAILED in the upbringing of this progeny called AN ABOMINATION (they should have warned/ALERTED the authorities- If I were them I would have started with MOHAMMED HIMSELF)."

From the several sources I've checked, Jihad John (Mohammed Emwazi) came from a middle-class family. His father worked at one time as a cab driver in London.

You seem to think all Kuwaitis are independently wealthy from oil money.

“The family settled down in west London; Emwazi's father is reported to have worked as a taxi driver, while his mother stayed at home to look after Emwazi and his siblings.”

www.cnn.com...

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
Then, by that logic, since Egyptian churches are being burned as we speak, it would be OK to burn mosques ?

I do believe that's what's called a straw man argument.

Everybody always asks "Where are the moderate Muslims?" Try not to assign blame for the nutbar mutants when a normal regular follower of Islam speaks up. Lest we blame you for Westboro Baptist, eh?

Or lest you accuse me of being a bad day at work away from being a Mass murderer like your fellow Democrat Mass Murderers Adam Lanza, James Holmes who worked for Obamas election, the V-Tech guy who sent hate mail to Bush, registered democrat, Aaron Alexis, Navy yard shooter, democrat.
Oh wait. You do.

Um...do you have much of a handle on what the word 'Canuck' actually implies? Either way, thanks for underscoring that whole 'straw man' thing.

a reply to: AuranVector
You failed to define what "middle class" means as a Kuwaiti citizen compared to the average Haitian. I do not think all Kuwaitis are independently wealthy from oil money; I know they are, and your news source CNN is the worst one you can quote from, other than MS.NBC. It occurs to me; you seem to applaud this 'middle class' family that spawned an evil entity. Why are you defending their social status, this should be the last thing of interest to ANYONE. Let's talk parenting skills. How did they loose this good abiding Moslem child brought up in ENGLAND; a hand holding hugging each other helping the poor; Socialistic (we love all of our potential terrorist immigrants equally) environment to becoming the front person as the 'publicity agent' for ISIS? Your focus (backwards) is entirely in the wrong direction.

History is being destroyed, civilized people preserve things like this, even if they don't agree with what they represent.
This destruction of artifacts is sad.

Actually some westerners are so outraged by what ISIS is doing, they are going over there to fight them with the Kurds.

Western Volunteers

1st NA Expeditionary Force

Former American Soldiers Joining The Fight

Excerpt

"I'm not going back until the fight is finished and Isis is crippled," Matson told The Associated Press, using an alternate acronym for the militant group. "I decided that if my government wasn't going to do anything to help this country, especially Kurdish people who stood by us for 10 years and helped us out while we were in this country, then I was going to do something."

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
You are correct. They call themselves "Those of the Christian Militia Forces" Volunteers. Some would call them mercenaries, I would call them Angels from Heaven. They are dedicated to help the Kurds in defending their homeland (northeastern Sirian territories) from ISIS.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Not all these anti-ISIS soldiers are Christian, some are just so outraged by the barbaric nature of these guys that they feel compelled to help their fellow man, in this case it's mostly the Kurds. And although foreign wars have attracted fighters before, this one seems to be different, as it is drawing people of all different backgrounds and from different countries to both sides of the conflict. It really seems to be like a humanist crusade against savage maniacal radicalism, and it's a showdown of modern culture verses "dark ages" culture.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

No.
I was replying to Charlie's argument that it was once OK for muhammad to destroy items belonging to another culture.

My view is that it is never OK.

Similarly, I never would even think of defending that Westboro "church" - Jesus's behavior and message was exclusively one of peace, love thy neighbor, etc.

a reply to: Emerys

Saddam didn't tame anyone...

He appeased them by killing the people they hated...


Specifically Kurds...


If Saddam hadn't slaughtered them en masse these terror cells would have been just as much a problem with him in charge.




Not to be rude to anyone with the perception you share, but Saddam was not a superhero who could control the hoardes of the Devil...

He was a prick who gave them what they wanted.




Edit: It's Saddam's henchmen who make up the bulk of the Top Brass of ISIS...
& they're doing exactly what Saddam would have wanted.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Emerys

Saddam didn't tame anyone...

He appeased them by killing the people they hated...


Specifically Kurds...


If Saddam hadn't slaughtered them en masse these terror cells would have been just as much a problem with him in charge.




Not to be rude to anyone with the perception you share, but Saddam was not a superhero who could control the hoarded of the Devil...

He was a prick who gave them what they wanted.

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
No.
I was replying to Charlie's argument that it was once OK for muhammad to destroy items belonging to another culture.
My view is that it is never OK.
Similarly, I never would even think of defending that Westboro "church" - Jesus's behavior and message was exclusively one of peace, love thy neighbor, etc.

OK, I gotcha. You know, a big part of this problem is in us trying to apply Western values to this snake-pit.

Iraq’s Prime Minister: ISIS ‘barbarians’ will not destroy our history

fox6now.com...

(CNN) — During the reopening of the Baghdad Museum on Saturday, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi made one thing clear: The artwork that epitomizes Iraq’s culture and history will not be wiped away by anyone or anything, including ISIS.

“They are trying, with their barbarism and arrogance, to destroy the inheritance of humanity, the inheritance of Iraqi people and their civilization, [the] same way they destroyed humans,” al-Abadi said. “I want to send clear message from here in Baghdad, that we will preserve this human civilization and its inheritance, and we will pursue those who are trying to destroy it.”

The Prime Minister’s comments came after a video was released by ISIS purporting to show militants smashing and shattering pieces at a museum in Mosul.

“These antiquities and idols behind me were from people in past centuries and were worshiped instead of God,” one masked man said in the clip. “When God Almighty orders us to destroy these statues, idols and antiquities, we must do it, even if they’re worth billions of dollars.”

It isn’t clear from the video how many artifacts were lost or how many of those destroyed were originals.

There’s reason to believe that some pieces were spared, according to Qais Hussain Rashid, the director general of Iraqi museums at the Ministry of Antiquities and Tourism. He told CNN that ISIS sells stolen antiquities on the black market to finance their operations.

The Prime Minister also mentioned the smuggling reports in his speech on Saturday. He also alleged that ISIS is receiving some sort of assistance in its smuggling operation, though he did not specify any organization in particular.

“We have all the details on all the antiquities in Mosul, every single piece is marked, numbered and saved in our records,” he said. “Therefore, we will pursue all these antiquities.”

The Mosul Museum has 173 original pieces, according to Rashid.

in the mean time

Iraq Launches Offensive on ISIS North of Baghdad
Iraq's army and Shi'ite militia have launched a long-awaited offensive against ISIS in Salahuddin province, a stronghold of the radical Islamist fighters north of Baghdad, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said Sunday.
www.nbcnews.com...

originally posted by: Seed76
a reply to: Stormdancer777

I do not know if its been posted, but here is a response to the atrocity.

"These barbarians, criminals, terrorists are trying to destroy the heritage of humanity and civilization of Iraq," said Iraqi Prime Minister who was at the inauguration of the museum.

"I will hunt and will pay for every drop of blood spilled in Iraq and the destruction of our culture," he added.

Original link in Greek : link

and the google translation : Opened after 12 years

Peace

TY seed

The Op states,

"These ruins that are behind me, they are idols and statues that people in the past used to worship instead of Allah," one IS militant states in the video. "The Prophet Mohammed took down idols with his bare hands when he went into Mecca. We were ordered by our prophet to take down idols and destroy them, and the companions of the prophet did this after this time, when they conquered countries."

My God tells me Mohammed is a false prophet and is a false idol himself. My God tells me all followers of the false prophet and false idol Mohammed will be Destroyed and the cartoon likeness of Mohammed bending over and getting it taken up the butt by Satan will be posted all over the planet as a reminder how evil ISIS is.

Works for me.

a reply to: Emerys

Nobody needs a sledge hammer, but they do need infrastructure. The problem with America's military strategy is they never have an end game. They are all too willing to tear a country apart, and billions are freely given in funding the destruction but as soon as one senator asks for funds to rebuild the electrical grid in Iraq suddenly there isn't enough money or they are told their plan will take too long, much better to just blow something up after all an explosion only takes seconds. If America isn't willing to shoulder the responsibility and plan for the reconstruction they shouldn't get involved in the first place. Iraq was left with no electricity, running water is here and there, many of the residential buildings and factories were nothing but rubble, roads weren't just potholed they were cratered, agriculture couldn't feed the country, not to mention the effects of drought, heavy reliance on importation for not just food but goods like clothes, building material, medicine and for a country that produces oil, petrol prices were sky rocketing. Building one road here and one school there may look great for the camera's and provide happy headlines but you are talking about a bandaid on arterial bleeding. You want to get rid of the animals? Don't join the armed forces, become an electrician, a plumber, a builder, an architect, a town planner something to give the people decent infrastructure so they can finally get back on their feet and reclaim their country.

Any form of book burning just makes me sick to my stomach. The irony is a lot of those artifacts in Iraq owe their preservation because of Muslims from the Islamic golden age, they created a culture of not only pride for one's history but to learn from the past and to respect the achievements of your predecessors. Now all their good work is being undone by a bunch of thugs. I think it is unfair to assume that Iraqis did nothing to save their artifacts. We don't know how many people right now are hiding artifacts in their houses waiting for it to be safe before they reveal their hoard. When the Ansar Dine were driven out of Timbuktu it was revealed that many of the ancient books had been saved from burning by ordinary Malians each grabbing a book and hiding them in their homes. They were determined to have their history preserved and some paid for it with their lives. Even in Egypt when violence started erupting in Cairo many of the museum staff locked themselves in hoping to protect their artifacts from any vandals or opportunists. And now with a huge drop in tourism Egyptians have taken to looting unexcavated tombs in the hope of finding something of value to sell and archeologists are risking their lives every night patrolling with nothing but a jeep and torch to try and deter gun toting desperate people.

The fact is a lot of ISIL is made up of or led by foreigners who have no connection to the ancient land, and do not understand or care about it's significance as the cradle of civilization. Iraqis, Syrians and Kurds on a whole are very proud of their Babylonian and Assyrian ancestors. They love nothing more than bragging about being the first great civilizations.

Large segments of the priceless winged-bull Assyrian protective deity are hurled to the ground as militants smash it to pieces

I don't supposed it occurred to them that by destroying statues of Gods with impunity, they are proving that gods don't exist??

IS 'bulldozed' ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud, Iraq says


news.yahoo.com...

Baghdad (AFP) - The Islamic State group began bulldozing the ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud in Iraq, the government said, in the jihadists' latest attack on the country's historical heritage.


IS "assaulted the historic city of Nimrud and bulldozed it with heavy vehicles," the tourism and antiquities ministry said on an official Facebook page.

An Iraqi antiquities official confirmed the news, saying the destruction began after noon prayers on Thursday and that trucks that may have been used to haul away artefacts had also been spotted at the site.

"Until now, we do not know to what extent it was destroyed," the official said on condition of anonymity.