Florida deputy drags mentally ill woman through courthouse by shackled feet...video

originally posted by: Anyafaj

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
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And according to the less-biased ORIGINAL story she was also in custody for violating probation on a prior felony drug charge...

According to witnesses, Rios was in court before Broward Judge Kal Le Var Evans for a mental competency hearing on a misdemeanor case. She is also being held without bond in the Broward Main Jail for violating probation on a felony drug possession case.

So yeah...still not feeling too sorry. She was obviously convicted in that instance since she was on probation...

Have to love how the other story conveniently leaves that part out....

I noticed you left this part out as well.

The incident was caught on cellphone video by attorney Bill Gelin, who was in the hallway as the events unfolded. Witnesses and some who saw the video afterward decried the deputy's conduct as inhumane. Public Defender Howard Finkelstein called it criminal.

In a written report to her supervisor, Assistant Public Defender Rhonda Boettcher said Rios had been declared incompetent and, after her hearing was over, was heard arguing with a female deputy in the courtroom. Johnson interceded and escorted Rios into the hallway, Boettcher said. Once there, Rios sat on a bench and started to cry.

Assistant Public Defender Lynn DeSanti, who is married to Gelin, said she saw Johnson say "Get up, we're leaving." When Rios wouldn't get up, Johnson got physical, DeSanti said.

"He basically picked up this girl, yanked her off the bench, and started dragging her through the hallway," she said. "I said 'Stop it! What are you doing to her?' But he just told her, 'You don't want to walk? I'm going to drag you.'"

"This is just barbarism," said Gelin, the main contributor for the JAABlog courthouse news and gossip site. "The truly disgusting part is, during that entire breakdown, you can hear her telling them she's mentally ill. There's no excuse."

"I'm not going back to get beat up!" Rios yells. "I'm not going back to get beat up by BSO! No!"

She apparently thought the Sheriffs were going to assault her, right or wrong. And in a sense, they all but proved her right by dragging her down the hallway. They could have proved her assessment wrong by talking with her, calming her down and asking her why she thought that way. Let her say goodbye to her mother for crying out loud. If that's what ALL of this was over, this could have all been solved with a bit of humanity.

I didn't leave anything out....I gave the quote from the original story that shows she was a convicted felon who now has violated probation.

Excuse me if I don't feel a bit of sorrow for her not getting to say goodbye to mommy. She's an adult. She was competent enough for her other charges that stuck prior to this one. She was obviously competent enough to use drugs and commit crimes....I am sure she can understand an order to walk.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

I wouldn't know...not a criminal and never been in the position for it to happen.

If she wouldn't comply with orders, the how do you propose they get her into a restraint chair?

She was obviously competent enough on her past cases to be convicted....seems drug use may have ruined that for her...so like I said, I don't have any sadness in my heart for a felon that disobeys an order.

They have what is called a Mobile Crisis Unit. Something like that could have come to the jail, while she is still handcuffed to the bench and not a problem for anyone. Leave her there sitting quietly until they arrive. They have arrive and help get her into the van/truck or whatever transportation unit is available to take her to the mental health facility. There is one in most major cities, and I'd wager Broward even has one already. Yup. Bing is my Friend.

Mobile Crisis Unit

Wow.after reading some of the replies, i see why police get away with brutality and just plan idiocy.

That was wrong on many levels. Speaking As a former detention deputy, what that officer did was waaaay wrong and borders on assault and could set him and or the department upfor a lawsiut.

originally posted by: Anyafaj
originally posted by: Vasa Croe

I wouldn't know...not a criminal and never been in the position for it to happen.

If she wouldn't comply with orders, the how do you propose they get her into a restraint chair?

She was obviously competent enough on her past cases to be convicted....seems drug use may have ruined that for her...so like I said, I don't have any sadness in my heart for a felon that disobeys an order.

They have what is called a Mobile Crisis Unit. Something like that could have come to the jail, while she is still handcuffed to the bench and not a problem for anyone. Leave her there sitting quietly until they arrive. They have arrive and help get her into the van/truck or whatever transportation unit is available to take her to the mental health facility. There is one in most major cities, and I'd wager Broward even has one already. Yup. Bing is my Friend.

Mobile Crisis Unit

We also do not know the circumstances under which this happened. A disruptive convict can and has incited many incidents inside court houses by doing just what this lady did.

I am more likely to side with a LEO than someone that has broken the law as many times as this lady had.

If he deemed her disruptive then he had to take the actions to remove her from the area.

What a disgusting way to treat another human being and for those of you who advocate this and find it perfectly acceptable i wonder how you would feel if that was your child on the receiving end of that

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It it were my "child" I would have disowned it before the entire incident-when the person became a felon.

...and probably laughed when I saw the story on ATS.

originally posted by: FalcoFan
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It it were my "child" I would have disowned it before the entire incident-when the person became a felon.

...and probably laughed when I saw the story on ATS.

really ? you would have disowned your own child ...wow...if that is how you really feel ..i kinda feel sorry for you

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Anyafaj
originally posted by: Vasa Croe

I wouldn't know...not a criminal and never been in the position for it to happen.

If she wouldn't comply with orders, the how do you propose they get her into a restraint chair?

She was obviously competent enough on her past cases to be convicted....seems drug use may have ruined that for her...so like I said, I don't have any sadness in my heart for a felon that disobeys an order.

They have what is called a Mobile Crisis Unit. Something like that could have come to the jail, while she is still handcuffed to the bench and not a problem for anyone. Leave her there sitting quietly until they arrive. They have arrive and help get her into the van/truck or whatever transportation unit is available to take her to the mental health facility. There is one in most major cities, and I'd wager Broward even has one already. Yup. Bing is my Friend.

Mobile Crisis Unit

We also do not know the circumstances under which this happened. A disruptive convict can and has incited many incidents inside court houses by doing just what this lady did.

I am more likely to side with a LEO than someone that has broken the law as many times as this lady had.

If he deemed her disruptive then he had to take the actions to remove her from the area.

Vasa, read the article. There were witnesses there. She wanted to say goodbye to her mother BEFORE she went to mental health lockdown. That was all. The witnesses stated the deputy was out of line. He stated she got disruptive because she refused to get on the transport. YES, because she wanted to say goodbye! Simple. If that was the issue, let her say goodbye and she more than likely would have gone willingly. If she was unable to and she wanted to have a bit of a cry over and he got impatient, let the woman cry it out for a few. For crying out loud, is this what we've come to? To have NO human compassion for others? At all??? What was it Jennifer Anniston once said about Brad Pitt? He had no Humanity Chip? Have we all lost our Humanity Chip? To get so angry at a woman for revealing natural emotions? Natural HUMAN emotions?

originally posted by: FalcoFan
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It it were my "child" I would have disowned it before the entire incident-when the person became a felon.

...and probably laughed when I saw the story on ATS.

Falcon, this woman is mentally ill. We're not dealing with just any ole' Joe Blow here. I'm stunned at these reactions really, and as a parent of a child with an IQ of 50, low to moderately retarded, I'm saddened.

originally posted by: Anyafaj

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Anyafaj
originally posted by: Vasa Croe

I wouldn't know...not a criminal and never been in the position for it to happen.

If she wouldn't comply with orders, the how do you propose they get her into a restraint chair?

She was obviously competent enough on her past cases to be convicted....seems drug use may have ruined that for her...so like I said, I don't have any sadness in my heart for a felon that disobeys an order.

They have what is called a Mobile Crisis Unit. Something like that could have come to the jail, while she is still handcuffed to the bench and not a problem for anyone. Leave her there sitting quietly until they arrive. They have arrive and help get her into the van/truck or whatever transportation unit is available to take her to the mental health facility. There is one in most major cities, and I'd wager Broward even has one already. Yup. Bing is my Friend.

Mobile Crisis Unit

We also do not know the circumstances under which this happened. A disruptive convict can and has incited many incidents inside court houses by doing just what this lady did.

I am more likely to side with a LEO than someone that has broken the law as many times as this lady had.

If he deemed her disruptive then he had to take the actions to remove her from the area.

Vasa, read the article. There were witnesses there. She wanted to say goodbye to her mother BEFORE she went to mental health lockdown. That was all. The witnesses stated the deputy was out of line. He stated she got disruptive because she refused to get on the transport. YES, because she wanted to say goodbye! Simple. If that was the issue, let her say goodbye and she more than likely would have gone willingly. If she was unable to and she wanted to have a bit of a cry over and he got impatient, let the woman cry it out for a few. For crying out loud, is this what we've come to? To have NO human compassion for others? At all??? What was it Jennifer Anniston once said about Brad Pitt? He had no Humanity Chip? Have we all lost our Humanity Chip? To get so angry at a woman for revealing natural emotions? Natural HUMAN emotions?

Ok...let me tell you a story of the last five years of my life with a mentally unstable stalker that I have known since I was 6. He has paranoid schizophrenia and delusions now. They started in 7th grade. He was kicked out of my school in tenth grade for placing a dead chicken on my now wife's doorstep at her parents house.

Fast forward 15 years to 2000. I marry her and suddenly he pops back up, claiming I molested him and tortured him. We were friends. I spent numerous days at his house as a kid playing and eating steamed artichokes and mayo. We were good friends.

In 2000 he begins stalking my family. He has now been arrested 5 times for aggravated stalking, terroristic threats, etc... he threatened to kill me, my wife, my kids, my parents and my in laws on multiple separate occasions. He showed up at my work, my house, and restaurants he found we frequented through social media.

In my first court proceeding with him, getting a TPO, he cleared the court because of a violent outburst.

One week ago I had to go back to court for the same crap. He is now back in jail for 3 months then 10 years monitored probation.

I have dealt with mental instability the legal route for 5 years and it doesn't work. He gets out every 3-6 months and starts back again. I have been told numerous times by LEO to shoot him if he shows up. I have shown a lot of restraint to not do so.

Sorry if I have little care for mental instability, but I also know that through all this, when he takes his meds he is ok.

Pretty cut and dry with me. People with mental disorders may not be coherent all the time, but a lot of the time they know exactly what they are doing. I have researched every angle of most common mental issues trying to reason it out.

Many times it can't be reasoned out. It is likely this court is the same one, and the LEO is the same one that has seen this lady every time. I don't care if she wanted to hug her daughter goodbye....she's a criminal and doesn't get that right.

Maybe that will help others here understand my stance. There are mentally ill criminals and there are mentally ill non criminals. I have plenty of sympathy for the non version.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

I wouldn't know...not a criminal and never been in the position for it to happen.

Zounds! seems like had you not ever farted they would have put you in the waxworks!
I must say though it's difficult to know who is a criminal in the US..well maybe it's not, a traffic offense is a crime innit? while a policeman kicking the lights out of someone, goes with the job.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I put "child" in quotes because we are discussing an adult.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

I wouldn't know...not a criminal and never been in the position for it to happen.

Zounds! seems like had you not ever farted they would have put you in the waxworks!
I must say though it's difficult to know who is a criminal in the US..well maybe it's not, a traffic offense is a crime innit? while a policeman kicking the lights out of someone, goes with the job.

Nope...had my fair share of run ins with LEO in my teen years. I just learned my lesson. Media portrays the US as if we are in some constant state of martial law or something. It's really old at this point. Sure there are plenty of things I disagree with. I am also not a felony offender, and unless you do something pretty bad, they are hard to get.

a reply to: Anyafaj

My stance (my fault for not stating it in my first post) is that the term "mentally ill" is abused almost to the point of being meaningless-the term has been twisted in so many ways for people to try to get out of trouble,to con the gov for a check,etc.

The person in question had already become a felon and apparently of sound enough mind to get tattoos-that doesn't sound like Corky from Life goes on,to me.

Btw-the current administration is branding people as "mentally ill" for not wanting vaccines.

I can't think of a better example of how the term is twisted and-at the very least-misused.

So forgive me if I seem cold-but it is hard for me to have sympathy for a tattooed felon-"mentally ill" or not.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

Ok...let me tell you a story of the last five years of my life with a mentally unstable stalker that I have known since I was 6. He has paranoid schizophrenia and delusions now. They started in 7th grade. He was kicked out of my school in tenth grade for placing a dead chicken on my now wife's doorstep at her parents house.

Fast forward 15 years to 2000. I marry her and suddenly he pops back up, claiming I molested him and tortured him. We were friends. I spent numerous days at his house as a kid playing and eating steamed artichokes and mayo. We were good friends.

In 2000 he begins stalking my family. He has now been arrested 5 times for aggravated stalking, terroristic threats, etc... he threatened to kill me, my wife, my kids, my parents and my in laws on multiple separate occasions. He showed up at my work, my house, and restaurants he found we frequented through social media.

In my first court proceeding with him, getting a TPO, he cleared the court because of a violent outburst.

One week ago I had to go back to court for the same crap. He is now back in jail for 3 months then 10 years monitored probation.

I have dealt with mental instability the legal route for 5 years and it doesn't work. He gets out every 3-6 months and starts back again. I have been told numerous times by LEO to shoot him if he shows up. I have shown a lot of restraint to not do so.

Sorry if I have little care for mental instability, but I also know that through all this, when he takes his meds he is ok.

Pretty cut and dry with me. People with mental disorders may not be coherent all the time, but a lot of the time they know exactly what they are doing. I have researched every angle of most common mental issues trying to reason it out.

Many times it can't be reasoned out. It is likely this court is the same one, and the LEO is the same one that has seen this lady every time. I don't care if she wanted to hug her daughter goodbye....she's a criminal and doesn't get that right.

Maybe that will help others here understand my stance. There are mentally ill criminals and there are mentally ill non criminals. I have plenty of sympathy for the non version.

Vasa, I'm sorry for what you've had to go through. I've lived it myself. I have a paranoid schizophrenic bio mom who took all her abuse out on me. My sister and brother never had to deal with it. I did. From birth to age 5. My dad remarried and as my stepsister became a teen, I bore the brunt of her abuse. She was bipolar. If you ask me, her mother had undiagnosed issues as well and that's where she got it from because she wasn't always playing with a full deck. I got to deal with my daughter being diagnosed missing part of her brain AND having autism and having emotional and mental issues because of it, along with physical abuse from that. Severe enough to almost paralyze me.

I also dealt with filing restraining orders and criminal harassment stalking orders against my ex-MIL because she got pissed I married her son without her permission while she was out of state. She would drive by the house and wake up my daughter, call all ours of the night and do hang up calls, run up onto the porch, knock and run away, call and threaten to paralyze me if she saw me on the street (I have a spinal condition). I had enough of her crud. She also has mental health issues.

Because I was moving to a Naval base, I offered a conditional discharge as long as she didn't follow me to the base. The prosecutor proposed it to her and she accepted. She behaved for a year and it was dropped. I've been there. I know when to say violent needs to be dealt with. And I know when it's not violent, they just need understanding.

When my daughter was violent, the reason why? She was mad because her father wouldn't call her to just say hi, and she had the understanding of a 5 year old, but the body of a linebacker. She just didn't know how to say, "Why, Mommy, Why won't he talk to me?" She told the psych nurse at a mental health hospital that, "Children sometimes hit their mommies to make their daddies come home." That's what she needed someone to talk to that wasn't me. Someone to understand her. Something I could NOT get her, for the life of me, in that blasted state at that time because of "cut backs". So instead I got the crap beat out of me until I was almost paralyzed. It took 5 psych wards, 3 states, and 2 weeks in jail to FINALLY get her into a group home!!

originally posted by: FalcoFan
a reply to: Anyafaj

My stance (my fault for not stating it in my first post) is that the term "mentally ill" is abused almost to the point of being meaningless-the term has been twisted in so many ways for people to try to get out of trouble,to con the gov for a check,etc.

The person in question had already become a felon and apparently of sound enough mind to get tattoos-that doesn't sound like Corky from Life goes on,to me.

Btw-the current administration is branding people as "mentally ill" for not wanting vaccines.

I can't think of a better example of how the term is twisted and-at the very least-misused.

So forgive me if I seem cold-but it is hard for me to have sympathy for a tattooed felon-"mentally ill" or not.

I understand your point, but in the same breath, you don't know how she came by her diagnosis, so you really cannot judge. As I said, my sister is severely bipolar and has tattoos. My dad supports her by sending her money time and time and time and time and time again. She is homeless and spends that money on beer, drugs, cigarettes, and tattoos. That doesn't mean she's not mentally ill. Some mentally ill are known to self medicate. Not to mention, some friends who have been in and out of the system know how to use tattoo guns and will do tattoos on friends in exchange for "favors". Cigarettes, drugs, and yes, even sex.

originally posted by: HomerinNC
a reply to: boymonkey74

Yes there is a chair they can restrain the person to and wheel them down the hallway

I suspect that getting an unwilling person into that chair and restraining her would involve inflicting more damage than the woman sustained in this case. What the deputy did looks worse than it was. If he had pulled her by her hands, instead of her legs, it might have looked better but that's hardly the point. She was being pulled on a smooth floor. At one point he stopped pulling her and she was asked to get up (at least that's what it sounded like). She responded by screaming and refusing to get up.

I think it's time we stop giving the mentally ill a free pass to misbehave. Certainly, they should not be abused but I don't see how that woman was being abused. Should they have tied her down in a wheelchair and gagged her? Should they have let her pitch a fit in court that a two-year-old would have been proud of? Where do we draw the line?

originally posted by: Anyafaj
originally posted by: Vasa Croe

I wouldn't know...not a criminal and never been in the position for it to happen.

If she wouldn't comply with orders, the how do you propose they get her into a restraint chair?

She was obviously competent enough on her past cases to be convicted....seems drug use may have ruined that for her...so like I said, I don't have any sadness in my heart for a felon that disobeys an order.

They have what is called a Mobile Crisis Unit. Something like that could have come to the jail, while she is still handcuffed to the bench and not a problem for anyone. Leave her there sitting quietly until they arrive. They have arrive and help get her into the van/truck or whatever transportation unit is available to take her to the mental health facility. There is one in most major cities, and I'd wager Broward even has one already. Yup. Bing is my Friend.

Mobile Crisis Unit

Wasn't she in a courthouse? She wasn't being quiet. That was the problem. Are they supposed to empty the courthouse and wait for the Mobile Crisis Unit to arrive? I think they did the most reasonable thing: they dragged her ass out of the public area of the courthouse in a way that did not injure her or the deputies.

Love your avatar video. That poor dog can't even back-talk to a cat.

On thing is certain....

all the arrogant " holier than thou " types are bringing down some heavy Karmic debt ....maybe not on themselves but their children or loved ones. Where will the compassion be then?

Sins of the Fathers...as it were.

Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

(Deuteronomy 5:9)--"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children,"

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
What a disgusting way to treat another human being

and for those of you who advocate this and find it perfectly acceptable i wonder how you would feel if that was your child on the receiving end of that

What would you reasonably expect the deputy charged with getting her out of the public area of the courthouse do? Offer her candy or crack to entice her to leave quietly? Have an impromptu therapy session? Shut down the courthouse and bring her food, water and a sleeping bag? What method would not likely have resulted in more injury to her and potential injury to the deputy? I'm not disputing that what he did looked bad but, really, was there a significantly better option? If so, what?