Secret Rendition Sites, For US Citizens, Confirmed Inside the US.

originally posted by: Profusion
The things you listed as "illegal" may be legal these days. Please see laws such as the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, NDAA section 1021, and others. What rights do Americans even have anymore?

The NDAA sections on detention do not apply to US citizens. Federal courts have made that absolutely clear.

Arresting foreign nationals is going to be more Federal than local law enforcement, especially if its terrorism related.

Generally speaking an individual can be arrested and held upwards of 24 hours (depending on state) for an investigation. At the end of the 24 hours the person must be charged with a crime or released.

If you are arrested you are not entitled to a phone call. If people checked more closely the requirement calls for communication. That can mean pencil and paper and a stamped envelope.

With this said if the info is even remotely accurate it should be investigated fully and people charged and sent to prison with no possibility of seeing the sun again.

In general....

Westerners have been subjected to government practices which would have been unthinkable even 20 years ago. Mass surveillance, these black sites and any other number of unknown activities our governments are up to, paint quite a depressing picture. This is something which would revolt the founding fathers of the USA.

Unfortunately, this news will most likely pass unnoticed by most of the general public. Even if they do notice, they likely won't even care. I'm not calling for anything major, but there needs to be some serious transparency and dialogue between the governments and their people.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: mister.old.school

Defund departments. Pull the plug before it's too late.

While I agree that certain elements of law enforcement are out of control, what alternative would you propose for controlling crime? I mean, if you eliminate law enforcement you have anarchy. Certainly you don't believe that all members of our society would effectively police themselves. I doubt the honor system would work here in America. Or anywhere else for that matter.

a reply to: daaskapital

Here is a novel suggestion -

Before grabbing the pitchforks and torches maybe some investigations should be done to verify the accuracy / legitimacy of the claims.

We cant very well bitch about denying due process while suggesting there be no due process for those accused. If we are going to take that road then we have become no better than those we want to tar and feather.

originally posted by: PorteurDeMort

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: mister.old.school

Defund departments. Pull the plug before it's too late.

While I agree that certain elements of law enforcement are out of control, what alternative would you propose for controlling crime? I mean, if you eliminate law enforcement you have anarchy. Certainly you don't believe that all members of our society would effectively police themselves. I doubt the honor system would work here in America. Or anywhere else for that matter.

An armed and vigilant populace.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: daaskapital

Here is a novel suggestion -

Before grabbing the pitchforks and torches maybe some investigations should be done to verify the accuracy / legitimacy of the claims.

We cant very well bitch about denying due process while suggesting there be no due process for those accused. If we are going to take that road then we have become no better than those we want to tar and feather.

As i said, i'm not calling for anything major. Only for some transparency and serious dialogue between the governments of the world and their people. Is that too much to ask for?

I thought the quote was a good one in reflection to this situation. The people have stood by and watched as their rights and privacy have been violated. From WikiLeaks to Snowden, and now this- people have just stood by. Things are only going to get worse as long as there is no transparency or dialogue between the people and the government.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
With this said if the info is even remotely accurate it should be investigated fully and people charged and sent to prison with no possibility of seeing the sun again.

But it never will be investigated fully, will it? Because the thing can't exist in a vacuum. In each case, the city/state government WANTS the thing. They just don't want US to know much about it. They're not about to investigate themselves, eh? Not seriously, anyway.

And there are cops that run the thing that go along with it, support it, love that it exists.

And the ones that don't, don't expose it. Although they could. If they were "good" cops, wouldn't there be at least a few of them with the nads to leak the details?

And cops wonder "Why don't they trust us? Where's my respect? I'm out here risking my life for them, why don't they appreciate it?" and you've got this sort of thing they're hiding and running. Well, there you go.

Kind of the perfect wet dream for an anti US activist.
No proof because the imagined scenario leaves no proof.
Where are the disappearing neighbors? Oh wait, the gov probably looks on Facebook and makes all contacts disappear at once.....get real.

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: Klassified

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Ayn Rand

"The more rules and regulations,
The more thieves and robbers."

-Lao Tzu

Another great quote. Ain't it the truth!

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Kind of the perfect wet dream for an anti US activist.
No proof because the imagined scenario leaves no proof.
Where are the disappearing neighbors? Oh wait, the gov probably looks on Facebook and makes all contacts disappear at once.....get real.

It's always got something to do with anti-US agendas for you, doesn't it?

This transcends someone hating on the USA. This incident should be condemned by everybody who agrees with the US Constitution and the country's founding fathers. It's nice to see that you don't honour either...

originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Kind of the perfect wet dream for an anti US activist.
No proof because the imagined scenario leaves no proof.
Where are the disappearing neighbors? Oh wait, the gov probably looks on Facebook and makes all contacts disappear at once.....get real.

It's always got something to do with anti-US agendas for you, doesn't it?

This transcends someone hating on the USA. This incident should be condemned by everybody who agrees with the US Constitution and the country's founding fathers. It's nice to see that you don't honour either...

What incident?
There is no proof of anything here other than anti US rhetoric aimed at the ever popular attacks on police forces with calls to disband them. Anarchy 101.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Read.

If you are REALLY interested in CLOSING this crap down the first stage is reconaissance.Get the location on GPS, get as many pics as you can of the entrance and security THEN maybe someone could run a follow up op.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Kind of the perfect wet dream for an anti US activist.
No proof because the imagined scenario leaves no proof.
Where are the disappearing neighbors? Oh wait, the gov probably looks on Facebook and makes all contacts disappear at once.....get real.

It's always got something to do with anti-US agendas for you, doesn't it?

This transcends someone hating on the USA. This incident should be condemned by everybody who agrees with the US Constitution and the country's founding fathers. It's nice to see that you don't honour either...

What incident?
There is no proof of anything here other than anti US rhetoric aimed at the ever popular attacks on police forces with calls to disband them. Anarchy 101.

What you mean to say is chaos, anarchy is how you live when you are in your home.

"In debates between anarchists and statists, the burden of proof clearly should rest on those who place their trust in the state. Anarchy’s mayhem is wholly conjectural; the state’s mayhem is undeniably, factually horrendous.”

-Robert Higgs

a reply to: Bedlam

I know of no officers who "want" this type of setup. I also know of no police agency that has anything even remotely close to whats in the article.

Your claim is a perfect example of the us verse them mentality. You assume all law enforcement is the same, attack them and then complain they dont trust the people.

How can they trust individuals when those individuals think all law enforcement is evil?

originally posted by: daaskapital
This incident should be condemned by everybody who agrees with the US Constitution and the country's founding fathers.

If its true.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: daaskapital

Here is a novel suggestion -

Before grabbing the pitchforks and torches maybe some investigations should be done to verify the accuracy / legitimacy of the claims.

We cant very well bitch about denying due process while suggesting there be no due process for those accused. If we are going to take that road then we have become no better than those we want to tar and feather.

I think the point is, at least in a clearly biased legal system toward the wealthy, people still "had" an opportunity to state their case on the record. It seems public opinion is no longer welcome when "OUR" safety is of concern...

a reply to: Xcathdra
Comon EX this could easily be true....
I have suspected as much since the coming of the Fusion Centers and the Big memory Bank in Utah....
The facts speak for themselves...we are being slowly strangled by the PTB....
Our freedoms are being curtailed one by one.....

I think the MILITIAS should get involved.....They have the resources to investigate this kind of corruption.
Perhaps suviel the joint over a period of time....
Follow the officers who go in or out and film them so we can see their scummy faces.....
Nothing like throwing daylight on criminal activity to make the roaches scurry....
We need to have people who are willing to engage these arrogant arseholes on their own turf....

a reply to: stirling

I never said it was not true. My first post on the topic stated it needs to be investigated and people charged if true.

My apprehension comes from my background. Over the years on this site I have seen people wanting to crucify law enforcement for actions people consider illegal or immoral when in reality it was lawful. I certainly do not support the detention of Americans extra judicially.

I certainly support investigations and criminal prosecution should the facts support it.

As for militia? I dont agree with most of them and I don't agree with using them to investigate. Going after people who are violating the constitution with a group of people who are violating the constitution just seems backwards.

Being pissed because a government agency violated the Constitution only to violate the constitution again to, more or less, get even is just as bad.

Jumping the gun could cause more harm than good.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
And the steady anti-US rhetoric goes on.

You're right, wanting due process and right to a lawyer are anti-American sentiments... serious question, are you a one-track tape on repeat?