Non-Extraterrestrial UFO Hypotheses

originally posted by: Tangerine
What is the source of the claim that 90% of abductees have some connection to the military either via family/friends or living near bases?

Sorry, I meant that to say 90% of the cases I've read about - and I've read an awful lot of them (it's not something the 'victims' tend to make note of, usually it will just be an off-hand mention in giving their life 'story'/background - it doesn't occur to them to think there'd be a connection).

There's a book, "The Controllers" by Martin Cannon and googling 'abduction' 'Leah Haley' will bring up a good case history of a woman who actually had books published about her 'abduction' experience, and then ended up (after extensive research) 'recanting' and attributing her experience to military experiments.)

And of course, this is not to say that there are no anomalous cases - only that there are 'markers' to look for so that things can be narrowed down and/or ruled out in order to more accurately determine 'what' might be behind a person's experience...

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

And as far as Red's post and yours, water is very, very strange.

Lore has it that it's tied closely to "the paranormal" as it's eternal... it changes forms, but is a constant... and so is a "psychopomp" of sorts.

When I was first introduced to Leary's Stepchild Dave, there was an epic flood in my area. Water had a strange, digital look to it that enables me to see everything else as a "fake" digital image... very strange and fairly impossible to convey to the ...er, uninitiated ... but running water over my hands was endlessly fascinating. Almost as if it pushed the digital rendering limits of our "simulation."

Also, many poltergeisty events involve water left behind... also, bathrooms and faucets are common targets for spooks... but I'd leave it for someone wiser to draw any more meaning from it.

a reply to: Baddogma

So why is salt purifying?

What happens to water when you add salt?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I take it I got input from "someone wiser?" ; ]

What happens when salt is added to water? You caught me on a Sunday and my only strict adherence to religion makes me rest my higher reasoning on the Sabbath (or a close approximation)... not that I think well on workdays, either.

Hmmm... salt water is also purifying, as it can kill some germs ... one also floats better in saltwater as it has more mass... salt kills in large enough amounts (or a smidge if one is a snail)... it is white and thus equated with purity... it keeps meats from decay... kills land dwelling plants... what am I missing, if anything, Kev?

BTW, off topic a tad and not very unusual, but had a strange happening yesterday... was sitting in the sun, reading... pleasant birdsong, sleepy, warm and happy... then a change in the space of 20 seconds... a fly and gnats began to pester me, a wind came up, dogs began barking all around me and a guy nearby started coughing, hacking loudly and other guys blocks away started screaming with major hostility... reminded me of that scene in the Exorcist under the demon statue in Iraq, heh.

Not exactly relevant or even unexplainable, but truly 'passing odd.'

originally posted by: lostgirl

originally posted by: Tangerine
What is the source of the claim that 90% of abductees have some connection to the military either via family/friends or living near bases?

Sorry, I meant that to say 90% of the cases I've read about - and I've read an awful lot of them (it's not something the 'victims' tend to make note of, usually it will just be an off-hand mention in giving their life 'story'/background - it doesn't occur to them to think there'd be a connection).

There's a book, "The Controllers" by Martin Cannon and googling 'abduction' 'Leah Haley' will bring up a good case history of a woman who actually had books published about her 'abduction' experience, and then ended up (after extensive research) 'recanting' and attributing her experience to military experiments.)

And of course, this is not to say that there are no anomalous cases - only that there are 'markers' to look for so that things can be narrowed down and/or ruled out in order to more accurately determine 'what' might be behind a person's experience...

I've read The Controllers. I think the government is capable of simulating abductions and may be doing so. However, unless a study using strict scientific protocols proves that there is a correlation between claims of abduction experiences and being in the military (or whatever), it's not a good idea to assume that there is a correlation. As for living near military bases, there are military bases all over and a large percentage of people have some connection to the military. We tend to get an idea and then, using confirmation bias, we see "evidence" to confirm it while human nature allows us to ignore anything that doesn't confirm it. You'll see this with religious believers who attribute the remission of a disease in few children to God (see, that proves that God did it!) but overlook all the children who die horrible deaths from that same disease. As for what people believe in the cause of their abduction beliefs, it really doesn't matter unless they can prove it. As far as I know, no one has been able to prove that the military/government or aliens have abducted them.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Tangerine
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I must the last person in this forum to do so, but the book
"Mirage Men" really reinforces the role the Government has
always had in so heavily promoting the ridiculous form
of the ETH that they push (large numbers of 'crashed'
UFOs, anal probes, animal and human mutilation, etc).

Kev

I haven't read Mirage Men but I understand that it claims that the government has reinforced the ET/abduction hypothesis to cover up secret military craft. If that's not correct, please correct me. If that is the hypothesis of the book, I don't find it credible insofar as motive is concerned. Indirectly encouraging people to look up into the sky for UFOs and obsess about them is a damn poor way to cover-up secret military craft. It's counter-productive. That said, I absolutely think the government heavily pushes the ET/abduction hypothesis--but not for that reason.

a reply to: Baddogma
Sometimes I gargle with salt water and even pour it down my nostril to help me breathe. and it makes soup taste better.

Well said: The government takes control of the narrative.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Never heard of someone breathing salt water... you a mutant or hail from Atlantis? Why does NA have that lore.. along with water? Ohhh... both are rather 'eternal' as in evaporate salt water and the salt is back... so is the water if one catches the steam.

Also reminded of running water serving as barrier to spirits (or plasma beings)... hmmm...

eta x 2 what are those little tea pots one fills with salt water and pours up one's nose called again? Those things crack me up for some reason... oh yeah, neti pot... thanks ZR.

and why are iron, salt and running water said to effect spirits, and other occult beings? An electrical property is the first thing I think of, but I've never seen it explained well... if there's a reality to it, that is.

a reply to: Baddogma

eta what are those little tea pots one fills with salt water and pours up one's nose called again? Those things crack me up for some reason...

neti pot. That's what I was talking about but you pour it down your nose. Its odd at first but really addictive.

Can we get back on topic?

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmmm... salt water is also purifying, as it can kill some germs ... one also floats better in saltwater as it has more mass... salt kills in large enough amounts (or a smidge if one is a snail)... it is white and thus equated with purity... it keeps meats from decay... kills land dwelling plants... what am I missing, if anything, Kev?

Electrical conductivity?

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Yup.

Salt increases conductivity.

Any being with electrical or ionic properties (EM
or Plasma) would be affected.

Kev

a reply to: Tangerine

Military bases tend to be loaded down with strong
microwave towers for communication and radar
towers too. Both of these would strongly affect
any plasma-based lifeforms (UAPs) and it's
UAPs which are one of the major environmental
factors such as Earth Lights which are affected
with fault lines, which tends to promote
paranormal activity.

It might even be that Microwaves are CREATING
from scratch plasma entities such as those first
WWII era planes with radar installed did (the
cause of the so-called 'foo fighters').

Not to mention that a thin plasma envelop is
a standard part of black op planes, to confuse
radar and to let the planes go faster and quieter
(there is a patent for it).

This is one reason I say that our entire world may
be being 'plasma formed' by the little fellers.

When the plasma lifeforms interact with
a human, one of the side effects could be so-called
'psychic abductions'.

I've gone over all of this in other threads.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

An electrical current of any kind, is a forced flow from a positive
anode to a negative cathode.

The very essence of any 'weak' plasma being includes a
surplus of electrons (in the form of negative ions).

Being caught in a flow of electrons would, I would think at the very
least, be very distracting.

Any such spirits (plasma lifeforms) native to the human body would
be quite weak (and affected) by such things, compared to those
powerful plasmas like Earth Lights, which could melt iron bars.

No wonder then, how much more powerful paranormal activity
becomes, when the teeny tiny plasmas of the human body
are imprinted on say an Earth Light. I thought this was
rather common sense, I guess I've never spelled it out before.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

More verbal anyway.

I'm right on the verge of interacting with the world more.. either
by writing, or 'researching' with other 'researchers' --- or I may
just roll over and go back to sleep, and even stop posting on
ATS. I'm afraid the latter possibilities are fairly strong.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think the electrical connection to plasma beings is worth considering.

a reply to: Tangerine
Intelligent discussion, Government project's aside there are a number of possible non ET origins.
Parallel or even converging reality's is one.
Ancient or breakaway civilization is another and,
Other species who coexist but are so far more advanced we are simply programmed not to notice them is another.

Also there is the possibility of EX terrestrial not to be confused with Extra Terrestrial origin, they may have originated here, like for example some time before Schotze star (The real Nibiru) passed through our Oort cloud at the outer edges of our solar system some 70.000 years ago and possibly causing disturbance within the solar system it is possible that a sufficiently advance culture or other terrestrial species may have found a way to avoid what they saw as a possible cataclysmic event.

Ancient tales of flying and fiery chariots abound in the religions and traditions of the world.

Maybe the fold the Dogon though they had met from Sirius were actually humans on a aid mission to try to help the descendant's of the survivors' of such a cataclysm.

Maybe the Dropa Tribe who believe they came from Sirius really did and are an offshoot of a terrestrial race that left when the solar system was deemed too hazardous to remain, if you know the story of the Dropa a short almost pigmy like race with large heads but whom are otherwise more or less as human as anyone else, then you are familiar with the so called Dropa Stones that were probably lost in the cultural revolution.

Of course the story of the Dropa has grown rather ropy or has it simply been a victim of professional debunkers.
en.wikipedia.org...

If it is even partially true though then it would mean these Dropa who are essentially human and therefore compatible with us must have a common ancestor as after all the are human.

Then there are the blond Aryan aliens (Aryan my foot it is a much misused term but actually refers to all Indian races and western Europeans who are believed to be related linguistically to the Aryan race of India).

Or much of it could simply be disinformation.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Welcome to the thread. The problem with the EX terrestrial hypothesis is that it requires the same physical evidence as the extraterrestrial theory--and there is none. That's why this thread is about non-physical hypotheses.

a reply to: Tangerine

Something I talk to my inner circle of friends about,
is something I jokingly and affectionately call the
Forbidden Planet Effect.

So many people believe the story manufactured by the government
(not just saying this generically and unknowingly, I mean the OSI,
NSA, CIA, DIA, etc with specific references), that there are ET
craft and critters visiting the planet Earth.

This story, most certainly in part, was put forward to keep the Soviet's
nervous, to provide cover for experimental aircraft, to seemingly
practice PSYOPS for various reason's etc.

So anyway.. a lot of people think that the government is hiding
the 'fact' of there being ET's anal probing us, etc. and other people
think that there are no unusual phenomenon here on earth at
all .. that's it's pure government BS to cover their black ops, etc.

Well all jokes aside, I'm seriously starting to consider, that the
reason the alphabet agencies want us to believe in little green
men and nuts and bolts craft is neither of those reasons, but
rather they want us to 'look out there' to keep us from realizing
just how true the 'Forbidden Planet effect' really is.

By that I mean, all the things we are talking about in this
thread, where human consciousness interacts with UAP's
and plasma effects, Earth Lights, etc, to cause effects
and possibly changes in reality.

By controlling the dialogue of religion, spirituality and
UFOlogy, (which has been done), then the let's call it,
'power of the people' and associated critters can be
kept under control. God forbid we imagine a world
without letter agencies in it. That would be a
disaster.

Half tongue in cheek, half deadly serious.

Kev