Next Level BS #38: Water Fluoridation, The Facts, The Crazy, and the Reality

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Are there any minerals or at least anything beneficial left in the water after that process?

It's water.

Far as I know fluoride is a mineral so filtration systems that remove fluoride should remove other minerals.


Not everyone agrees on what is beneficial. Some think fluoride is beneficial another may think the residue from copper pipes are beneficial. To each his own.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Are there any minerals or at least anything beneficial left in the water after that process?

It's water.

Far as I know fluoride is a mineral so filtration systems that remove fluoride should remove other minerals.


Not everyone agrees on what is beneficial. Some think fluoride is beneficial another may think the residue from copper pipes are beneficial. To each his own.

Well this is where else i struggle on this subject.....i believe you are correct fluoride is a mineral....makes me wonder how these filtration systems can claim they remove nasties and keep the beneficial stuff...

Anyhow this is a good filter we use here and the water tastes good
www.vitality4life.com.au...

a reply to: superman2012

Key word "could".

originally posted by: Tusks

originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: Tusks
a reply to: superman2012

How about you Google "Arkansas fluoride water bill" and take your pick of the multiple links.

I already knew the answer. Zero. There is NO bill that would allow zero fluoride at the operators discretion. Don't be mad, I do that to my kids too.

You poor boy. Your research skills need some improvement. let me help you.
www.thv11.com...

The house sent a bill to the senate (the one I earlier talked about) but the wording of that bill differs from what you and others claim.
So I'm asking again (using the exact same words).
Can you please link the one that says they can lower the fluoride limit to zero?
Not an article from a fluoride website, not an article from a local news station with no bill number. Should be easy to prove me wrong!

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

No other ways? Have you ever heard of toothpaste or mouthwash or fluoride treatments available at the dentist?

Yes I have, as have others that cannot afford proper dental care.

Anything used to treat the health of a person, especially chemically active substances like fluoride, are technically a medication. You can go to your doctor and get a prescription for fluoride tablets.

That's too bad, how long until they regulate Vitamin C!?

Yes, but prescribing a one-size-fits-all solution is not a way to ensure that everyone has good health for christ sakes. People aren't able to give their consent. It's like trying to reduce heart attacks by putting blood thinner in the water. And it's supposed to be applied topically to the teeth, which can be done by using toothpaste or many other ways. Just chucking it in the water supply and hoping that people get enough on the surface of their teeth when they drink it IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE and you know it.

The absolutely do get enough on their teeth. If the water/fluoride weren't getting on their teeth we wouldn't have to worry about sugary acidic soda now would we, and you know it. This is one of the many fallacies that the anti fluoride people cling to. Why put it in the water when we drink it!? Because it coats your teeth. How can it coat our teeth when we swallow it!? Soda does, coffee does, wine does, etc otherwise, why would acidic sugary drinks cause cavities/discolouring. That is the best example of their failing logic. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to show it.

All the chemicals they use is yet another reason I don't drink tap water, it's like drinking a chemical cocktail mixed with what ever else leaks into the water from the piping. But the fact still remains that fluoride is the only additive used to treat the people instead of the water.

Hope you don't drink bottled water or fountain drinks, the eat from the list of food listed earlier either then! What type of water do you drink!?

Reverse osmosis systems are very expensive to buy in the first place. The link I just posted states "Reverse osmosis systems are generally unaffordable for personal use." On top of that, I should not have to pay just to clean my god damn water and remove something I didn't want in it to begin with.

Buy one, move, vote, collect your own water. What is complaining going to do?!?!? Reverse osmosis can be affordable if you aren't looking to have a giant one!

Well forgive me for not being a lawyer, I'm not about to spend hours looking through the millions of laws that exist to find one specific law to prove something to you. It's much easier to present information from trusted sources (a mainstream news website and popular mechanics are reliable sources). There are many other sources which explain the same thing, all it takes is a simple Google search and you will be able to find the truth for yourself. If you want to stay in denial that's not my problem.

Trust me, I know you're not a lawyer. I have found the truth for myself, that's why I posted it here. There are no laws saying that collecting rainwater is illegal. You want to live in fearland, that's your problem not mine.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Right, and as stated in many many many fluoride threads, how much do you think it would take to fix the health problems, dental problems of those people that can't afford dental care?

You're right though. Follow the money.

originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: Tusks

originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: Tusks
a reply to: superman2012

How about you Google "Arkansas fluoride water bill" and take your pick of the multiple links.

I already knew the answer. Zero. There is NO bill that would allow zero fluoride at the operators discretion. Don't be mad, I do that to my kids too.

You poor boy. Your research skills need some improvement. let me help you.
www.thv11.com...

The house sent a bill to the senate (the one I earlier talked about) but the wording of that bill differs from what you and others claim.
So I'm asking again (using the exact same words).
Can you please link the one that says they can lower the fluoride limit to zero?
Not an article from a fluoride website, not an article from a local news station with no bill number. Should be easy to prove me wrong!

The bill was passed 2 days ago. I haven't seen it in writing, but all the TV news and newspapers say the exact same thing. The lower limit will be zero. Can you find a link that says the limit must be more than zero??? No, you can't, and you will not be able to do so. The bill will likely be published today, and then you can eat your words.

Oh, here it is today: www.arkleg.state.ar.us...

Says exactly what I have told you three times, doesn't it?

a reply to: artistpoet

UK does have flouride added to its water...depends on what provider you have

a reply to: rossacus

UK does have flouride added to its water...depends on what provider you have

Yes I know ... I never said anything different ... perhaps you misread my posts
In a prior post I explained the simple process for removing it for those concerned

You are right ... it depends on the provider ... You can check online if they do or not at your local providers website

To my basic understanding flouride is a by product of mining. Instead of wasting it the government's have created a demand for it. Creating demand for something not needed. Simple economics

a reply to: artistpoet
My bad thought you said don't have to worry about it in the uk...doesn't matter though

a reply to: rossacus

Hey Thanks... you prompted me to search further ....
I Checked my region which is Yorkshire and they do do not add fluoride

BUT BUT BUT ....

Water fluoridation country by country

"United Kingdom[edit]
Around 10% of the population of the United Kingdom receives fluoridated water,[72] about half a million people receive water that is naturally fluoridated with calcium fluoride, and about 6 million total receive fluoridated water.[78] The Water Act 2003 required water suppliers to comply with requests from local health authorities to fluoridate their water"


en.wikipedia.org...

You learn something new everyday ...

a reply to: artistpoet

Yer I read that too but apparantly most is the natural calcium flouride...apparantly

Naturally added

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: Blue Shift
I wonder how many anti-fluoride folks out there are pumping themselves full of stuff like colloidal silver or Kangan water.

Or drinking green tea. According to levels we saw, five 10-ounce drinks of green tea a day, made with no-fluoride bottled water, can get you close to 1mg of fluoride a day depending on the strength.

Cucumbers, spinach, tomatoes, carrots and grapefruit are all naturally high in fluoride (all vegetables have fluoride). In fact, vegan diets can often amount to more than 1mg a day in fluoride.

Cucumbers, spinach, tomatoes, carrots and grapefruit are all naturally high in fluoride (all vegetables have fluoride). In fact, vegan diets can often amount to more than 1mg a day in fluoride.

Now I wonder if it was watered with non fluoride water would this still stand true?

a reply to: superman2012

Right, and as stated in many many many fluoride threads, how much do you think it would take to fix the health problems, dental problems of those people that can't afford dental care?

What are you saying? That fluoride is added to water just for the dental health benefit of a small minority?

And how much would that take? Since when does the tax payer pay for such a thing?

The ignorance trophy? Is that something to be proud of?

Are you saying that it is ignorant to not fluoridate the water supply? Are the majority of the world's countries being ignorant?

originally posted by: SkipperJohn
Now I wonder if it was watered with non fluoride water would this still stand true?

Until naturally occurring fluoride can be prevented...yes.
2nd.

originally posted by: JudgeThread
a reply to: superman2012

Right, and as stated in many many many fluoride threads, how much do you think it would take to fix the health problems, dental problems of those people that can't afford dental care?

What are you saying? That fluoride is added to water just for the dental health benefit of a small minority?

And how much would that take? Since when does the tax payer pay for such a thing?

Yes that is what I am saying.

Who do you think pays for the healthcare of people on subsidy/welfare???

originally posted by: JudgeThread

The ignorance trophy? Is that something to be proud of?

Are you saying that it is ignorant to not fluoridate the water supply? Are the majority of the world's countries being ignorant?

Is that what I said? Nope, I was alluding to the untruths, lies, and fear spread by the anti fluoride group when confronted with science and facts.
People vote it out all the time. Just because it is done in other countries doesn't mean the science is wrong. It just means the people voted. Could be done in North America too if people cared so much, and used actual facts instead of lies and ignorance as their fuel....

a reply to: superman2012

So everybody is exposed to fluoridation for the benefit of a few? Ridiculous notion.

Who do you think pays for the healthcare of people on subsidy/welfare???

Dental healthcare.

Nobody.

And even if it would cost more, it is still not justifiable to expose the majority to something they don't need in their water.

The whole thing is ridiculous. Everybody has to drink fluor water because a few people are supposedly unable to buy toothpaste?

And you keep saying that relatively high levels of fluoride are in food. Why the need to add it to the water.

You say that not all people eat the foods that contain higher levels of fluoride, but what about the people that do? They get an extra dose they don't need if they drink the water.

Why do you insist that fuoridation is needed when the majority of countries are not doing it.

The whole thing makes no sense.