Next Episode: Fluoride- post your own research & observations

originally posted by: RustyHook
That is true but it was kinda obvious that I was talking about tap water.

So, you are concerned about the levels of fluoride in your water, but not concerned about consuming more fluoride from your food?

If it is bad, why does it matter?

a reply to: superman2012

If you brush your teeth, you are ingesting fluoride. If you drink bottled drinks, you are ingesting fluoride. If you eat food, you are ingesting fluoride.

Yeah, I was refering to ingestion of higher levels from tap water obviously.

Edit: ps- there is NO WAY, you read the whole thread from the time I told you about it, until now. There is LOTS of information from both sides of the argument on that thread.

Do you offer peer reviewed proof that it is not harmless at those levels. Again I didn't see it.

a reply to: RustyHook

Yeah, I was refering to ingestion of higher levels from tap water obviously.

It's higher in tap water than in fluoridated toothpaste? Source?

Do you offer peer reviewed proof that it is not harmless at those levels. Again I didn't see it.

There is SCADS of research showing that the claims of the anti-fluoridians are not correct. Feel free to read through that mess of a thread though. Lots of links to research there.
I have not seen ONE scientific paper that shows that water fluoridation (properly dosed) is bad for you. Show me one.

a reply to: superman2012


Most toothpaste today contains between 0.22 percent (1000 ppm) and 0.312 percent (1450 ppm) fluoride, usually in the form of sodium fluoride or sodium monofluorophosphate (MFP); 100 g of toothpaste containing 0.76 g MFP equates to 0.1 g fluoride.
Google search.
compared to .7ppm in water fluoridation.

is .7ppm more than 1000ppm?

a reply to: superman2012

It's higher in tap water than in fluoridated toothpaste? Source?

Higher than levels you would ingest naturally from food or water. I didn't say anything about toothpaste.

Btw, do you eat your toothpaste?

a reply to: superman2012

I have not seen ONE scientific paper that shows that water fluoridation (properly dosed) is bad for you. Show me one.

I didn't make claims like this.

I made a thread that showed that there were no proven horrible consequences of drinking properly dosed fluoridated water.

It did not see that statement proven.

a reply to: RustyHook


Link to food fluoride levels.

ppm = mcg on a one to one ratio from what I found.

These are still higher than water fluoridation...

It is not higher than levels from food or water. Raw water from where? Have you had the water tested for fluoride?
I said toothpaste and you said tap water was higher. That is why I was wondering...

a reply to: RustyHook

Like I said, lots of information on that thread. I only hold my wife and my daughters hand, not yours. It is there, or there are links to where it can be found.

originally posted by: RustyHook
a reply to: superman2012

It's higher in tap water than in fluoridated toothpaste? Source?

Btw, do you eat your toothpaste?

Nope, but as we all know, a little gets swallowed/absorbed into the tissue no matter how much we spit out. That is why they recommend childrens toothpaste for kids. They might swallow the adult toothpaste.

Do you?

a reply to: superman2012

Whilst almost all foodstuffs cont ain at least traces of fluoride, water and non-dairy be verages are the main sources of ingested fluoride, accounting for 66 to 80% of fluoride intake in US adults according to the concentration of fluoride in the public drinking water.

www.who.int...

a reply to: superman2012

Do you?

No, I don't, that is the point showing that your comparison to a product that is being swallowed is not completely accurate. Let's also not forget you drink around 2 liters of water a day and just a fraction of that amount is used of toothpaste. Never mind though.

originally posted by: RustyHook
a reply to: superman2012

Whilst almost all foodstuffs cont ain at least traces of fluoride, water and non-dairy be verages are the main sources of ingested fluoride, accounting for 66 to 80% of fluoride intake in US adults according to the concentration of fluoride in the public drinking water.

www.who.int...

That makes sense and does nothing to hinder my argument.
I drink a hell of a lot more water than those foods listed. Doesn't change that they have more ppms of fluoride than water fluoridation.

originally posted by: RustyHook
a reply to: superman2012

Do you?

No, I don't, that is the point showing that your comparison to a product that is being swallowed is not completely accurate. Never mind though.

You swallow more fluoride in toothpaste than fluoride in water...that's supposing you brush your teeth at least twice daily. Do you drink more water? Definitely. Do you get more fluoride from water than from toothpaste? Nope.

Edit: I'm not abandoning this thread...just have to finish my shift at the...water plant! muhahaha

a reply to: superman2012

Doesn't change that they have more ppms of fluoride than water fluoridation.

It doesn't change the fact that most of the fluoride intake is from water that doesn't contain fluoride in those levels naturally.

If they didn't add the fluoride you would not be taking in nearly as much fluoride.

originally posted by: RustyHook
a reply to: superman2012

Doesn't change that they have more ppms of fluoride than water fluoridation.

It doesn't change the fact that most of the fluoride intake is from water that doesn't contain fluoride in those levels naturally.

If they didn't add the fluoride you would not be taking in nearly as much fluoride.

Based on my current understanding. Naturally occuring Fluoride levels in water throughout the use is an avg of .2 ml/v. Which is about the same as a pea sized amount of toothpaste.

a reply to: theNLBS

Why the constant comparison to toothpaste? I didn't mention toothpaste, I didn't say that fluor toothpaste is healthy either.

I asked you a question earlier, where did you find that pic?

originally posted by: RustyHook
a reply to: superman2012

Doesn't change that they have more ppms of fluoride than water fluoridation.

It doesn't change the fact that most of the fluoride intake is from water that doesn't contain fluoride in those levels naturally.

If they didn't add the fluoride you would not be taking in nearly as much fluoride.

You are absolutely correct...
Providing you drink 57 cups of water (14 L) for every 1 cup (154 grams) of watermelon you eat.

a reply to: superman2012

According to the WHO, 66-80% of fluoride intake comes from water.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Why do you even think they are adding it to water if you can get those levels from the food you are eating anyways?

originally posted by: RustyHook
a reply to: theNLBS

Why the constant comparison to toothpaste? I didn't mention toothpaste, I didn't say that fluor toothpaste is healthy either.

I asked you a question earlier, where did you find that pic?

Ah sorry, I keep jumping in and out of this thread. I don't specifically remember the site. It was linked to a facebook post.

I performed a reverse image look up on google and found it attached to this article: Manmade or natural, tasty or toxic, they're all chemicals …

a reply to: theNLBS

Regardless of whether fluoride is good or bad, none of us should be medicated against our will. And putting it in public water supplies is nothing short of medical tyranny. Medications should be an individual choice.

If someone wants fluoride in their body then they should march on down to the local drug store and purchase it.