Jewish journalist gets hate on videotape as he strolls streets of Paris

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Mr Tinfoil. I have been following you on ATS for quite sometimes. According to my analysis (going through your threads, reading your replies etc...) you have a strong agenda I don't wish to talk about. Let's leave it at that.

Meanwhile:

Christian Judeo-Christian Europe where I believe some certainly bad things happen to the Jewish people. In fact tom Friedman Jewish-American Columnist New York Times told me in the French chamber in the last week, where he believed Muslims have mostly been running Europe in the nineteen forties. Six million extra Jews would still be alive today from the political lessons an anti Semitism from someone who's here to defend the Judeo-Christian values on the continent of murder six million Jews.

This isn't twitter but follow along if you desire, or to rephrase...sheeple along.

As for your inserted anonymous quote from nowhere....it is all broken sentences that amount to jibberish with no meaning or message to be found within. Maybe it was a Russian or Arabic translation gone bad or something.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
So if a man's intentions of finding bigotry are shown, then that bigotry doesn't count? It is not real unless it is unexpected?

I am not trying to be combative, just the stances people are taking do not seem well thought out.

TinfoilTP, I usually find many of your comments and posts insightful. My question to you is why are you so invested in rewarding this man with so much attention and adulation when he only provided us with 90 seconds of "bigotry?"

Bigotry exists. It's a human trait, and the USA is full of it. I'm sorry, but 90 seconds of a previously 10 hour video to "prove bigotry" seems shoddy at best. This man that made, edited, and posted this video is digging deep for the outrage.

Hell man, our world is suspect and you want to give this air time? If you are white try putting on a suit and walking through a poor black neighborhood in the USA. See how you get treated.

This stuff happens. The first step in stopping it is to stop being outraged by the POS people, like this guy, who post a 90 second video trolling for outrage. And better yet, challenge his 90 seconds and why he was so selective of it. The second step is trying to approach each person as a unique individual regardless of their race, color, religion, socioeconomic status - even knowing you will in fact run into highly opinionated and bigoted people.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Ultra-orthodox jew :


Christian Jew :


Self-hating Jew :


Zionist/Atheist Jew :

originally posted by: WCmutant

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
So if a man's intentions of finding bigotry are shown, then that bigotry doesn't count? It is not real unless it is unexpected?

I am not trying to be combative, just the stances people are taking do not seem well thought out.

TinfoilTP, I usually find many of your comments and posts insightful. My question to you is why are you so invested in rewarding this man with so much attention and adulation when he only provided us with 90 seconds of "bigotry?"

Bigotry exists. It's a human trait, and the USA is full of it. I'm sorry, but 90 seconds of a previously 10 hour video to "prove bigotry" seems shoddy at best. This man that made, edited, and posted this video is digging deep for the outrage.

Hell man, our world is suspect and you want to give this air time? If you are white try putting on a suit and walking through a poor black neighborhood in the USA. See how you get treated.

This stuff happens. The first step in stopping it is to stop being outraged by the POS people, like this guy, who post a 90 second video trolling for outrage. And better yet, challenge his 90 seconds and why he was so selective of it. The second step is trying to approach each person as a unique individual regardless of their race, color, religion, socioeconomic status - even knowing you will in fact run into highly opinionated and bigoted people.

He is not just proving everyday ordinary bigotry that goes on endlessly. His purpose is in the context of Jews fleeing Europe in the start of an exodus, the current rise in outright acts of war in support of Isis in EU nations, and the context these persecutional everyday acts are happening on the very soil Nazi Germany perpetuated the Final Solution among an apathetic populace who were incredulous to it until forced to view and confront its existance by the victorious Allies.

Do they need to occur more than 90 seconds in 10 hours per individual to get credence? Some people would say the standard of 90 seconds in 10 years is enough to cause concern.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
He is not just proving everyday ordinary bigotry that goes on endlessly. His purpose is in the context of Jews fleeing Europe in the start of an exodus, the current rise in outright acts of war in support of Isis in EU nations, and the context these persecutional everyday acts are happening on the very soil Nazi Germany perpetuated the Final Solution among an apathetic populace who were incredulous to it until forced to view and confront its existance by the victorious Allies.

Do they need to occur more than 90 seconds in 10 hours per individual to get credence? Some people would say the standard of 90 seconds in 10 years is enough to cause concern.

So what do you want to suggest with this historical reminder ?

That the Jews should indeed consider a new exodus towards Israel ? As if living in Israel would offer more safety for the Jews ... that sounds unlikely IMO.

OR

That the actions of Israel have generated some much hate towards the Jewish diaspora that there is no place where a Jew can consider itself in safety anymore ? - which is a horible situation IMO. Because people can't see any difference anymore between a Jew and a zionist.



a reply to: Odhinn



Neutral Jew :

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
He is not just proving everyday ordinary bigotry that goes on endlessly. His purpose is in the context of Jews fleeing Europe in the start of an exodus, the current rise in outright acts of war in support of Isis in EU nations, and the context these persecutional everyday acts are happening on the very soil Nazi Germany perpetuated the Final Solution among an apathetic populace who were incredulous to it until forced to view and confront its existance by the victorious Allies.

Do they need to occur more than 90 seconds in 10 hours per individual to get credence? Some people would say the standard of 90 seconds in 10 years is enough to cause concern.

So what do you want to suggest with this historical reminder ?

That the Jews should indeed consider a new exodus towards Israel ? As if living in Israel would offer more safety for the Jews IMO ...

OR

That the actions of Israel have generated some much hate towards the Jewish diaspora that there is no place where a Jew can consider itself in safety anymore ? - which is a horible situation IMO. Because people can't see any difference anymore between a Jew and a zionist.

 

a reply to: Odhinn

Neutral Jew :

I don't suggest anything, just observing the obvious. There is an exodus starting, there is persecution, there is ignorance of what is happening.
People naturally desire to live where they feel safe, if they are allowed to migrate.
The ones plotting genocide will not choose to face a modern army of Israel, but instead the proven killing grounds of Europe where anti-Semitism, proven to exist by this piece, is their ally.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

The problem is that this (israeli) video has to be considered in the actuality context : rising anti-semitic actions and feeling, but also upcoming israeli elections.
Israelis will be voting on the 17th of March. And the election campaign is nothing but a constant challenge about who will sound the most zionist among the candidates. Right before the Knesset was disolved, a bill was proposed in order to proclaim Israel as the Jewish state. Any sensible person will quickly realise that this is the kind of move that is unlikely to lower tensions in the middle-east.

The ones plotting genocide will not choose to face a modern army of Israel, but instead the proven killing grounds of Europe where anti-Semitism, proven to exist by this piece, is their ally.

So you think Tsahal is mighty enough to prevent the Jewish blood to ever be spilled anymore ?
Don't you think that avoiding conflict and tension escalation would be a better way to prevent further casualities ?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: TinfoilTP

The problem is that this (israeli) video has to be considered in the actuality context : rising anti-semitic actions and feeling, but also upcoming israeli elections.
Israelis will be voting on the 17th of March. And the election campaign is nothing but a constant challenge about who will sound the most zionist among the candidates. Right before the Knesset was disolved, a bill was proposed in order to proclaim Israel as the Jewish state. Any sensible person will quickly realise that this is the kind of move that is unlikely to lower tensions in the middle-east.

The ones plotting genocide will not choose to face a modern army of Israel, but instead the proven killing grounds of Europe where anti-Semitism, proven to exist by this piece, is their ally.

So you think Tsahal is mighty enough to prevent the Jewish blood to ever be spilled anymore ?
Don't you think that avoiding conflict and tension escalation would be a better way to prevent further casualities ?

Are they supposed to pretend they are not a Jewish State?
The bigots of Europe will employ ignorance when the Jews and other minorities face persecution, this is what history shows.
I take it you are against any Jews leaving the slaughterhouse that Europe can once again become.
Good thing Israel exists for people to seek refuge in. Calls for Israel's destruction are a strategic component to genocide when considering the impending historical repeat of the holocaust, this time by Islam.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

I don't oppose the existence of Israel as Naturei Karta suggest personally.
I simply think that if we would have listen to the voice of this french individual 50 years ago we wouldn't have all the problems we are dealing with today because, we choose instead to follow the whining warmongering rethoric of the zionists.


- Speech transcript and translation to follow -

CDG :We will now talk about the middle-east. If you want, I was asked questions about the current conflict and I'm now ready to answer them.

J1 : War having started in the middle-east 6 month ago, it ended almost immediately as everybody knows. What do you think about the evolution of the international situation in that part of the world ?
J2 : How is that, that Israel is the aggressor when it is Nasser who closed the strait of Tiran ?

CDG :
The establishment, between the two world wars … because you have to go back that far.
The establishment, of a Zionist seed in Palestine. And then after the second world war, the establishment of the state of Israel, was raising a few suspicions.
People were wondering, even many Jews, if the settlement of this community on lands that were acquired in a more-or-less legitimate context – and in the middle of arab people that are deeply hostile to them – wouldn't generate unstopping, endless,frictions and conflicts.

And even some were fearful that the Jews, - so far scattered, but that managed to stay what they have been forever : an elite population, self-confident, and dominating – started, once gathered on the site of his previous glory, to change their ambitions in the hopes they were chasing for 19 centuries : 'Next year in Jerusalem !'

Despite the cycle of persecutions that they were causing – or should I say inducing – in some countries, at some eras, they managed to keep an important amount of sympathy and interest in their favor. Mostly, let's admit it, among the Christians.
An amount (of sympathy) traced back to the memory of the Testament, fed by all source by a wonderful liturgy, enforced by the empathy caused by their ancient suffering, and turned poetic by the legend of the roaming jew, re-enforced by the abominations they endured during the second world war, and developed – since they got back a homeland – by their constructive achievements and the bravery of their soldiers.
That's why – despite the numerous supports, in money, influence, propaganda that the Israelis were receiving from Jewish communities of America and Europe – many countries, including France, were satisfied by the establishment of their homeland on the territory that the big powers acknowledge them. But were hoping that – by using a bit of modesty – they would be able to reach a peaceful 'modus vivendi' (way of living) with their neighbors.

These psychological considerations changed after 1956.
After a joined French and British operation in the Suez Canal, we noticed a Israeli state warmongering and ready to expend.
And then, the actions they were carrying out in order to double their population, through immigration, led us to think that their new territory wouldn't be enough anyway and that they were ready in order to further extend it, to use any opportunity to do so.

That's why at the time the fifth republic took distances with Israel, special tights that were in place as part of the previous situation were reconsidered and, the fifth republic was trying to make less tensions in the middle-east.
Of course we kept with the Israeli government good relations, and even, we provided them for their defense, the weaponry they were asking to buy.
But at the same time, we offered them some moderation advises, about the Jordan River or about the skirmishes that were opposing forces on both sides.
Finally we disagreed with their installation in a part of the city of Jerusalem they conquered, and we maintain our embassy in Tel-Aviv.

Then, once the Algerian affair was over (Algerian independence, we initiated with the Arab people of the middle-east, the same policy of friendship and cooperation that was for centuries the one of France in that part of the world. And this policy has to be the base of the way we treat our foreign affairs.

Of course, we made it obvious for the Arab as well that for us, the state of Israel was a fact and that we wouldn't tolerate its destruction. So that, all in all, we were expecting to be able to offer to that part of the world a long and lasting peace cause be installed. If only no new drama takes place … And, unfortunately, the drama took place (Six Days War). This went gradually, with an increasing tension caused by the scandalous fate of the refugees in Jordan. And because of the threads calling to destroy Israel.

The 22nd May, the strait of Tiran closure, embarrassingly caused by Egypt, would offer the ideal excuse to those who wanted to fight.
In order to prevent hostilities, France offered as of 24th May, to the three others main powers, to prevent both parties to engage conflict.
The 2nd June, the French government officially declared that he would disprove the one who first would start the fight and we made it clear to all the countries involved. That's what I personally declare on the 24th of May to the foreign minister of Israel, I happened to meet in Paris.
'If Israel is attacked' – I told him – 'We wouldn't let it destroy. But if you, we will condemn your initiative. Despite the numerical inferiority of your population since you happen to be better organized - united – and armed than the Arabs, I wouldn't be surprised that you would have military success. But then, you would be engage, on the ground and on the international scene, in ever growing problems. Mostly because war in the middle always causes an increasing tension in the whole world and have a lot of embarrassing issues for the other countries as well. So that it's up to you, now conquerors, that should be blamed for the side effects.'.

We now know that the voice of France hasn't heard, Israel having attacked.
They reached after six days of war most of the objectives they targeted.
Now, they organize on the territories it conquered, occupation.
Occupation that goes along with oppression, repression, expulsion.
And there manifest itself against him, the resistance, that he then label as terrorist.
It is true that both parties are now having a fragile cease-fire, promote by the united nations but it is obvious that the conflict is only suspended and that there can't be any solution without an international agreement.
But a solution – unless the UN decided to scrap its own chart – a solution needs to start with the evacuation of the territories that were grabbed by force, the end of all combats, and the recognition of both states by all the others.
After that, with the approval of the UN, their presence and the guarantee of their troops it would be possible to define definitively the drawing of the borders. Conditions of daily life and security on both sides. The fate of the refugees and the local minorities.
And then, the conditions for free navigation for all in the Tiran strait and the Suez canal.

So that such a solution could take place, solution to which - according to France – you should add an international status for Jerusalem. For such a solution you need the agreement of the major power that would automatically provide the agreement of the UN.

And if such an agreement can take place, France is ready to offer political, economical and military support to enforce the deal. But I don't see how such an agreement could take place as long as one of the biggest of four, would be rid of the infamous war he is fighting elsewhere.
Everything is entangled in our world today.

To be continued

Everything is entangled in our world today.
Without the drama of Vietnam, the conflict between Israel and the Arabs would have escalated that much. And if south-eastern Asia would see peace coming back, the middle-east would have it back soon as well. As part of the overall decrease of tension that would ensure …

The actuality event mentionned in the video is, of course, the six-days war.

a reply to: uncommitted Caucasians cut Russian youtu.be... on the streets of Russian cities and the court frees them because blue blood kills the red blood , it is not a crime for trial it cleaning of the planet from the red blood . crime it only against blue blood

I saw this guy on the bbc news the other night , he happily admitted he was a Zionist. Filmed for 10 hours and edited into a 90 second video

I don't give a damn about your race or have any innate respect for your culture...don't care about your traditions or customs...I'm indifferent to your religion and don't acknowledge any of the things you worship...

I am however prejudiced against the felons who consolidate and amass wealth of epic proportions and play the rest of the world off against itself.

originally posted by: Stuship
a reply to: TinfoilTP

The French never seem to be on the right side of recent history. They are either getting their butts kicked in war, or sitting on the sideline waiting for help while horrible things happen to others.

They will be conquered by Islam, it is only a matter of time.

So...Franceistan? That would almost be worth seeing.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: TinfoilTP

I don't understand why people hate another just because of their belief. Its a mans actions that should be judged. I would have walked down the street with this fella just for moral support. Jew, Muslim, Christian and even a Satanist (if he didn't speak of his religion to me).

Amen! Or something like that. Everyone should be judged based upon their actions. Groups should be judged by the majority of the group's actions. I hold no hate toward anyone for race, color, religion...etc. But I will condemn a group when a majority of their members are evil. There is only one group that fits that bill for me...and a few others that seem to want "special treatment".

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Isn't it relevant to each individual, to ask himself the right questions about why he feel the need to enforce his definition of himself as part of a particular group ?
If one choses to belong to a certain group (same goes for Muslim here for ex. - no jewish bashing) - what individual reponsabilities does he still bear - as an individual - within a group that he decided to join ?

Do you have more or less responsability - as an individual - within a group if the group fails ?
You can always claim you were just a sheep who followed the wrong sheppard ...
Are you really a sheep if you chose - by yourself - to become one ?

Muslims will hate Zionists (and by association, non-Zionist Jews) because of the occupation of Palestine and the suppression of the Palestinian people. The two are inseparable. Raging about anti-Antisemitism might win the argument on the Internet, but not in the real world. I see no end to it. I notice the wealthiest Israelis are securing US citizenship for their children...

Hell ... I've received more abuse in rush hour traffic in a fraction of the time. This is just manipulated propaganda IMO. I'm sure I could get much more " I hate whitey " video strolling through a few of the ethnic Mideastern & African neighbourhoods or definitely the Native Indian Rez's around here in half the time. Hate, ignorance & prejudice ( 3 stooges ) infects all religions, races, colors and ages everywhere. And then again ... some people are just plain a#!holes.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Isn't it relevant to each individual, to ask himself the right questions about why he feel the need to enforce his definition of himself as part of a particular group ?
If one choses to belong to a certain group (same goes for Muslim here for ex. - no jewish bashing) - what individual reponsabilities does he still bear - as an individual - within a group that he decided to join ?

Do you have more or less responsability - as an individual - within a group if the group fails ?
You can always claim you were just a sheep who followed the wrong sheppard ...
Are you really a sheep if you chose - by yourself - to become one ?

Pretty good question. For me...you choose to become a "sheep" when you are either forced or give up. When you become part of a group (or mob) you become a cell within another organism. You still have an identity, but you are also a part of something bigger and therefore, more prominent. You become responsible not only for your own actions, but also for a percentage of the actions of that group. Good or bad...you take on a greater responsibility and maybe, a greater punishment.