Jewish journalist gets hate on videotape as he strolls streets of Paris

originally posted by: uncommitted

Actually, no, I think your posts are getting increasingly strange. Judaism is a religion. Not sure if this discussion should continue as you are showing some very strange views.

It's a Religion that enforces a supposedly superior status to an ethnicaly defined group of individuals.
Prove this wrong :

Will you become Jewish if you convert to Judaism ?
No, you will become a Gentile Goyim.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

... but even as a convert, you can still be useful for the Jewish cause... Think ashkenazis and holocaust - majority of those pinned down were ashkenazis. Only 3% were sephardic jews - i.e. folks who really have a true claim for the promised land.

do not convert...

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

originally posted by: uncommitted

Actually, no, I think your posts are getting increasingly strange. Judaism is a religion. Not sure if this discussion should continue as you are showing some very strange views.

It's a Religion that enforces a supposedly superior status to an ethnicaly defined group of individuals.
Prove this wrong :

Will you become Jewish if you convert to Judaism ?
No, you will become a Gentile Goyim.

I've no need or desire to prove or disprove anything - this is what is known as thread drift. Please stop as all you seem to be doing is showing a dislike of people who follow the Jewish faith.

a reply to: uncommitted

No, I respect anybody. But I give no creds for bad journalism and desperate attention grabbing. That mollusk of a kid running around with a hanky on his head - was NOT a proof Jews are smarter and better than rest of the biomass.

a reply to: uncommitted

It's not a thread drift. It is about providing a clear and obvious statement about the reasons that may cause Jewish people to spawn more hate around them than another group. That seems to me perfectly in line with the OP.

So if you don't want to disprove it, you should have no issue if I happen to put some light on the fact that, somehow, Judaism is a form of ethnical proselytism backed by religious fundementalism.
I do not dislike the Jewish faith, I take it for what it's worth.

Don't get me wrong, there are some very good teachings as part of Jewish scriptures, and the fact that the Jewish people have been able to carry them almost intact across their long history is a remarkable achievement. The fact that you don't want to disprove the things that are - like it or not - problematic and source of tensions in our modern times is a sign that I may have put the finger where it hurts the most ...

Wasn't Jesus Jewish?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: uncommitted

It's not a thread drift. It is about providing a clear and obvious statement about the reasons that may cause Jewish people to spawn more hate around them than another group. That seems to me perfectly in line with the OP.

So if you don't want to disprove it, you should have no issue if I happen to put some light on the fact that, somehow, Judaism is a form of ethnical proselytism backed by religious fundementalism.
I do not dislike the Jewish faith, I take it for what it's worth.

Don't get me wrong, there are some very good teachings as part of Jewish scriptures, and the fact that the Jewish people have been able to carry them almost intact across their long history is a remarkable achievement. The fact that you don't want to disprove the things that are - like it or not - problematic and source of tensions in our modern times is a sign that I may have put the finger where it hurts the most ...

No, it's a blatant falsehood. This thread is very simply about a person from one faith that received some insults from other people based on his faith, but as 10 hours have been distilled into 90 seconds, and the guy on the video states he received people acting in his defence and also positive measures it does not say what you want it to.

I have nothing to disprove, the video is a social commentary. If you came to the country that I live in my first assumption would be that you would be overly concerned with the finer points of a debate, overly administrative and frankly without humour. You've kind of proved the latter but I guess I would have to add you are anti Jewish. Is that because of your nationality? I don't know enough Belgians to make that kind of comment.

You still haven't defined what the term "ethnical proselytism" means in any way that makes sense. I guess you are saying Jewish people shouldn't make a point of being visibly Jewish? That isn't proselytism, if it was it would be where an active intent was shown to make you convert to the same faith. Never mind, I think I've fed you enough.

originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: uncommitted

No, I respect anybody. But I give no creds for bad journalism and desperate attention grabbing. That mollusk of a kid running around with a hanky on his head - was NOT a proof Jews are smarter and better than rest of the biomass.

Hi, wasn't a response to you.

originally posted by: uncommitted

No, it's a blatant falsehood. This thread is very simply about a person from one faith that received some insults from other people based on his faith, but as 10 hours have been distilled into 90 seconds, and the guy on the video states he received people acting in his defence and also positive measures it does not say what you want it to.

But you don't want to ask yourself or, let the others suggest any reason why a particular faith causes animosity.
Would the guy have run into problems by walking in the same place without kippa ?

originally posted by: uncommitted

I have nothing to disprove, the video is a social commentary. If you came to the country that I live in my first assumption would be that you would be overly concerned with the finer points of a debate, overly administrative and frankly without humour. You've kind of proved the latter but I guess I would have to add you are anti Jewish. Is that because of your nationality? I don't know enough Belgians to make that kind of comment.

I don't know where you are from and I don't see the difference it makes. Unless it's Israel ...
I will be honest with you, Belgians unlike their French neighbours are immmune to Jewish whining for historical reason.
Unlike occupied France and the Vichy regime that happen to collaborate with the Germans, in Belgium things took shape very differently.
First, the whole country was occupied and the Germans seized membership lists at the Belgian Jewish Association headquarter. So its the Jews themselves that, somehow, handed themselves out.
Most of the operations were carried out by the nazis themselves and you can give credit to the Belgian resistance for having attacked a nazi death convoy and allow the escape of a few Jews.
Belgians have no responsability unlike the Frenchs or, of course, the Germans.

You say that I hate Jews ... you haven't seen my face for making such a claim.

originally posted by: uncommitted
You still haven't defined what the term "ethnical proselytism" means in any way that makes sense. I guess you are saying Jewish people shouldn't make a point of being visibly Jewish? That isn't proselytism, if it was it would be where an active intent was shown to make you convert to the same faith. Never mind, I think I've fed you enough.

You will find what I mean by ethnical proselytism when you will releave yourselve from your hypocrisy and dare to consider the following statement :

Will you become Jewish if you convert to Judaism ?
No, you will become a Gentile Goyim.

From a religious (Jewish) perspective, do you oppose the existence of Israel as the ultra-orthodox do ?



From a religious (monotheist) pespective, what's wrong with Jesus ? As Specimen just said, he happened to be jewish.

originally posted by: Specimen
Wasn't Jesus Jewish?

How could he be Jewish ?? He totally scoffed and told the Jewish Leaders they were idiots, and that they were lost.

Secondly if Judaism is a religion how do certain groups claim bloodline status ??

What WAS this bloodline BEFORE it came to be known as JEWISH, and why do many groups claim they are the original??

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: Specimen
Wasn't Jesus Jewish?

How could he be Jewish ?? He totally scoffed and told the Jewish Leaders they were idiots, and that they were lost.

Secondly if Judaism is a religion how do certain groups claim bloodline status ??

What WAS this bloodline BEFORE it came to be known as JEWISH, and why do many groups claim they are the original??

Exactly..........

This just goes to show again and again that organised religion, even when not extreme can make people completely brainwashed beyond comprehension and reason.

None of them are more than anyone else. They are people like the other 6 billion of us.
The whole idea of someone specific having more right to a certain part of Earth because they choose to believe in ancient fictitious texts that was written during an age of utter UN-enlightenment is proposterous.

I clinch my toes everyone I see a jew cry about being more special and chosen, and that they are bullied because of being so. How's that for a self fulfilling prophecy for you.

My deepest respect goes out to those who claim themselves to be jews but recognised that the premise of the basic judaism is out of touch with modern society and co-existance amongst people in the world.

The same goes for ANY other religion.... anyone belleving devoutly in scriptures are all freaking nutcases in my book. Thank the universe they are still able to perform to the degree that the world doesn't stop turning.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Mr Tinfoil. I have been following you on ATS for quite sometimes. According to my analysis (going through your threads, reading your replies etc...) you have a strong agenda I don't wish to talk about. Let's leave it at that.

Meanwhile:

Christian Judeo-Christian Europe where I believe some certainly bad things happen to the Jewish people. In fact tom Friedman Jewish-American Columnist New York Times told me in the French chamber in the last week, where he believed Muslims have mostly been running Europe in the nineteen forties. Six million extra Jews would still be alive today from the political lessons an anti Semitism from someone who's here to defend the Judeo-Christian values on the continent of murder six million Jews.

a reply to: TinfoilTP


And why should we care??? Enough people on here aready hate Islam and Christianity so why not add in an equally repugnant cult too!!

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Here I thought this thread was about decrying bigotry but I guess I was wrong. I'm not going to take a position in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because of the hopeless intractability of the issue and because choosing sides is a useless endeavor. That said, I'm not a big fan of people saying things with authority that aren't true.

The Arabs waged war, lost said war, lost land in said war, citizens lost sovereignty in said war. This is what happens in war, the losing side loses. In this case the starter of the war lost. If Israel lost are you to have people believe Israel would not have lost land or people their citizenships?

In 1915, the Ottomans joined the Central Powers. At that point, the Levant had been under Ottoman control for 400 years. The British made promises to the Arabs (McMahon–Hussein Correspondence, 1915-16) that if they allied with the Brits and revolted against Ottoman rule, that the British would support the establishment of an Arab state. Meanwhile, they had secretly agreed with France and Russia to split up the area (Sykes–Picot, 1916) differently than what had been indicated to the Arabs who kicked off their revolt in June of 1916 because of the British assurances.

While all of this was going on, the British decided to promise the Zionists the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine (Balfour Declaration, 1917). The Bolsheviks exposed Sykes-Picot and this lead to the Anglo-French Declaration of November 1918 which reassured the Arabs that the real intentions of the British and French were indeed to establish new nations for the indigenous peoples. There was also personal assurances given to Hussein bin Ali by the British that establishing a Jewish state was not on the table. Ultimately, the British took over under the Mandate for Palestine in 1922. At this point, almost 90% of what was then Mandatory Palestine, was Arab. Should I continue?

No, Arabs are not allowed to call funzies just kidding when they lose a war.

Also notice how the US was impartial, doesn't quite jive with the Great Satan version the Arabs spew

Actually no, the US was not impartial. Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter, two of Woodrow Wilson's closest advisers, were Zionists. Later, Truman pressured the British to lift the quota on Jewish immigrants into Palestine to allow hundreds of thousands of displaced Jews in following WWII. The British knew this was going to be the final straw to the mess they'd created which is why they terminated the mandate.

You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

Boom!

From what i have seen, he seems only to be in the outskirt of Paris where there is only "social flat" and uneducated / immigred population.

The result would have been the same if he was dressed as a "typical christian" or if it was an attractive woman.

He is just asking for it.

Apparently, hate and tolerance isn't a black and white thing. You see...too many people on here scream for "tolerance" or "acceptance" but then limit who is supposed to receive it. Many call "racist" but then call for the death of Jews. Maybe you can clear this up for me...you know...just so everyone knows who to hate and who to tolerate.

So far, I believe it goes like this:

Jewish = Kill them all
Muslim = Misguided
Black = Not responsible for their own actions
Illegal = Not trying to get something for nothing...just freedom
Religious = Evil
Gay = Protected
Drug Addict = Needing our help
Bigot = KILL WITH FIRE

Feel free to add to this list or make corrections.

originally posted by: bloom53
From what i have seen, he seems only to be in the outskirt of Paris where there is only "social flat" and uneducated / immigred population.

The result would have been the same if he was dressed as a "typical christian" or if it was an attractive woman.

He is just asking for it.

And he himself made that point in the BBC page I linked to, it's social commentary, he even states it's not specific to Jewish people. Of course, some strange people in this thread seem to think the invective was deserved because.... well because he had the nerve to make it clear that he is Jewish.

a reply to: uncommitted
a reply to: bloom53

originally posted by: bloom53
From what i have seen, he seems only to be in the outskirt of Paris where there is only "social flat" and uneducated / immigred population.

And apparently even there a 10 year old kid is wise enough to understand what one wishes to suggest by wearing the kippa ...

originally posted by: bloom53
The result would have been the same if he was dressed as a "typical christian" or if it was an attractive woman.

Not sure a cross or a colander would generate that kind of reactions.

originally posted by: bloom53
He is just asking for it.

The video is nothing but propanganda for the Aliyah IMO.

I also wish to add that I agree with uncommitted when he said the two last french Presidents weren't Jews. This statement from a blog I mentionned is an erronous interpretation from them, of videos where both Hollande and Sarko are show wearing a kippa as part of a visit to Jewish communities.
Manuel Valls, Pierre Moscovici, Jean-François Copé, Jacques Attali among others surely are.
And they are not shy to display their acceptance of the Jewish particularism in the french society despite its inconsistency towards the french republican values.

Muslim around the world feel more and more Palestinians while all the Jews blindly agree with the practices of Israel. The kippa is not just a religious item, people see it's racial, political, economical and the center point of a lot of conflicts in our world.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

The French never seem to be on the right side of recent history. They are either getting their butts kicked in war, or sitting on the sideline waiting for help while horrible things happen to others.

They will be conquered by Islam, it is only a matter of time.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

I don't understand why people hate another just because of their belief. Its a mans actions that should be judged. I would have walked down the street with this fella just for moral support. Jew, Muslim, Christian and even a Satanist (if he didn't speak of his religion to me).