High Times are Headed for D.C. - And a Whole Lot of Cannabis Chaos

I do not agree if the source is just more drug related fear porn. I'm not buying it.

I'm in my fifties. Virtually all my entire generation grew up smoking. High potency adjuncts are nothing new. I don't see any evidence of psychosis. I'm calling BS on this propaganda.

a reply to: stirling
Skunk strong? Hahaha, tell them to come try some good canadian hash, or oil, then tell me again how strong that skunk crap is. One deep hit of my uncle's hash used to do me in, and that was back when I was only smoking good hydro when I was in NY.

originally posted by: eisegesis
I still wonder, why would the District legalize a substance that it cannot control the sale of? Could they possibly have bigger plans? Just remember, nothing happens by accident in politics. Regardless of the governments plans, I would certainly get excited if you live in the area.

Well if all goes according to plan, they can just go up into Maryland.

Marijuana Legalization: Maryland Bill Seeks To Regulate Cannabis Like Alcohol

Marijuana was legalized by a vote from the people, not the politicians. The politicians hijacked this issue to create the vote. If they had just listened to the people's will like they are supposed then this vote wouldn't even be happening.

The District police force have been told to relax on minor possession and usage as well. And incase it wasn't obvious, be responsible. No public parks or monuments.

Monuments are federal property, therefore you would be breaking the law if you smoked by them.

I don't care how positive your vibes are, just mind your own business and remember that most children don't deserve to get thrusted into a lifestyle completely out of their control that would jeopardize their true potential. Both at home or in deep woods are great places to safely relax without fear of influencing or offending others.

THRUSTED into a lifestyle? Smoking pot around children is exposing them to things? How is it any worse than getting drunk around your children? At least when you are high you can still act responsibly around them and don't act a fool.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

*not picking on this post in general, must wanted to reply*

I've worked in the medical MJ industry for over ten years. I've been involved in research and currently work as an advisor for the Canadian Government in medical pot related matters.

The studies you have posted are skewed heavily in their results. The #1 issue with Cannabis is it's effects on the developmental progress of young people. As in, prior to 21 years of age, Cannabis can harm you.

"Skunk Cannabis" is a slang term. The fact that they use this, instead of the actual scientific name for the stuff just goes to show how disconnected they are from actual research. They've used isolated chemicals from pot, injected into patients and watched the effect.

That's like if I gave you 100MG of pure sugar, straight to your bloodstream and then concluded that a single Jolly Rancher puts you at risk of Diabetes. The bad science in those studies is glaringly apparent.

That being said, I'm not one of these " POT IS THE MAGIC CURE " type folks. It is for some things, like Cancer, if studied and the right compounds extracted and used but much like Alcohol it carries the same risk to kids and pregnant woman etc.

There needs to be some societal controls. They do not need to involve prison time, or the ruining of one's life.

~Tenth

a reply to: eisegesis

In fact the biggest problem that DC will face here is the conflict between federal and city land. Since marijuana is STILL illegal federally, if you smoke in the wrong place in the city you'd still be breaking the law and could go to jail. I wonder how THAT will play out. I also wonder why your article didn't point that out either.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
It will probably play out like speed traps. Invisible lines everywhere, step/drive across the wrong one and bang! Busted.

a reply to: TKDRL

I could totally see that happening actually...

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

One in four new cases of psychotic conditions such as schizophrenia could be the direct result of smoking extra-strong varieties of cannabis, a major new study concludes.

Or it could be something else.

They studied almost 800 working-age adults from one area of south London, half of whom had been recently treated for a psychotic episode for the first time

Perhaps social and ethnic factors are in play from this relatively small localised sample of the population.

The researchers compared rates of schizophrenia among African-Caribbeans in London with those in Trinidad and Barbados.

They found that the rate was much higher in the UK - strongly suggesting that social, rather than genetic factors played an important role.
news.bbc.co.uk...

People with a disposition to illness should perhaps look to strains with a higher CBD content in the herb they choose , or maybe abstain altogether.
The argument for decriminalisation is clear , small scale studies like this one raise my suspicions about who funded the study and why it was so limited.

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

What work? It's no surprise the gov and they're local buddies benefit from this while most of the country are considered criminals. Do as I say not as I do, I suppose.

What work?

I guess all those signatures just magically appeared?

I guess all those city counsel meetings never happened?

I guess my retired friend didn't spend close to 60 hours a week getting signatures?

Nope, it was just magically given to us by the gov? Please.......

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
This report is in The Telegraph today.

Not everybody should smoke cannabis just as not everybody should drink. In the same way some people can't handle their alcohol, some people shouldn't smoke cannabis.

That's not a reason, however, to have it illegal and people jailed for it. If we followed that same thought process for alcoholics half the damn worlds population would be in jail.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Smoking on federal land will be an easy mistake in some parts of Washington, even some of the Islands are national monuments. A friend of mine (cough, clears throat, darn noncold) and a friend of theirs once smoked while sitting in the speakers chair of one of the United States state capitals House of Representative chambers. Another friend who was with them ran away. That time there was apparently no problem, but hopefully nobody will be foolish and take selfies at the Lincoln Memorial or other places, which can only give the overall movement bad publicity.

a reply to: Kryties

I agree 100% and I'll do you one better.

Some people die from being around peanuts. Should we start making those illegal and a jailable offense too?

a reply to: Aleister

You've said it, now someone is going to do it.

a reply to: Aleister

Smoking cigarettes and dancing around the memorials are jailable offenses also.

originally posted by: IslandOfMisfitToys
a reply to: Aleister

Smoking cigarettes and dancing around the memorials are jailable offenses also.

www.nps.gov...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

THRUSTED into a lifestyle? Smoking pot around children is exposing them to things? How is it any worse than getting drunk around your children? At least when you are high you can still act responsibly around them and don't act a fool.

With all due respect, getting drunk around your children is just as irresponsible and influential. Harmful? Not necessarily, but the impact your behavior has on a child while they're young could influence how they think and feel in the future.

Just exercise caution is all I'm saying. I have seen some parents act like fools when high. Not the plants fault, but I'd be lying if it didn't affect the way they raise their kids. Not in a bad way, just different. When one incorporates marijuana into their lifestyle, the "lifestyle" can consume them in some ways.

I posted some professional peer reviewed scientific research by the respected Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience at King’s College London on this thread, the report on the research was in The Telegraph,(the report used a generic term due to it being a well known name for such). The research will be published in the respected journal Lancet Psychiatry later this week though I have posted a link to the online copy in this comment.

Psychiatrists and drug counsellors respect such research, GP's respect such research, as do politicians and respected professionals.

The study, by researchers from the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience at King’s College London, is due to be published in the journal Lancet Psychiatry later this week.

I and other professionals are far more inclined to believe the trusted research of a professional organisation than an ATS member's agenda led bias.

www.kcl.ac.uk...

The Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience (IoPPN)* –a School of King’s College London – is Europe’s largest centre for research and postgraduate education in psychiatry, psychology, basic and clinical neuroscience.

We are world-renowned for the quality of our research and, for psychiatry and psychology, we are the most cited research centre outside the US and the second most cited research centre in the world – as ranked by Thomson ISI Essential Science Indicators. In the 2008 Research Assessment Exercise we were judged to have the highest research power of any UK institution within the areas of psychiatry, neuroscience and clinical psychology.

Our world-class research-led learning experience attracts the very best students from around the world who enjoy unrivalled learning opportunities – supported by strong partnerships with NHS trusts, industry and healthcare organisations.

www.kcl.ac.uk...

This project has been carried out with the support of: 1. The GAP (Genetic and Psychosis) and PUMP study teams, Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience, King’s College London; 2. The South London and Maudsley (SLaM) NHS Foundation Trust; 3. Funding was provided by the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) Maudsley Biomedical Research Centre, SLaM and the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience at King’s College London; The Psychiatry Research Trust, the Maudsley Charity Research Fund and by the European Community's Seventh Framework Program under grant agreement No. HEALTH-F2-2009-241909 (Project EUGEI).
Paper reference: Di Forti, M. et al. ‘Proportion of patients in south London with first-episode psychosis attributable to use of high potency cannabis: a case-control study’ published in Lancet Psychiatry DOI: dx.doi.org...(14)00117-5.

www.thelancet.com...


As for the comments on this thread, so far, I have to say the responses so far have been rather concerning.

I do not need a lecture on what is /isn't valid research, I am perfectly able to tell, thank you.

Furthermore, it is obvious that there is a lot of denial going on regards this research, from those that are clearly pro legalization.

You can have your opinions, but shouting ''propaganda'' just because it doesn't suit your own agenda is both puerile and delusional. If it was research about anything else, chances are you wouldn't be shouting ''propaganda''.

Clearly those responding are not scientists doing this research and have no place for calling it a sham just because they don't want it to be true.

As for comparing it to alcohol and tobacco, those are other areas that need fixing in society, this thread is not about those.

I won't comment anymore on this thread as it is pointless due to the levels of defensiveness for an agenda.

Suffice to say, let's hope the research filters through to those that need to know, to those potentially suffering psychosis due to drug taking. let's hope they refrain and prevent the ruination of their brains.

I have worked front line trying to rehabilitate the drug addled scourges of society and have been in psychiatric meetings of those that ''went over the edge'' and never returned. Let's hope for them and society that people do take notice of this real and valid research for the sake of the truth and for the good direction of civilization.

I also teach those of the age groups potentially susceptible to such things and the last things they need is mind altering drugs.

originally posted by: eisegesis
With all due respect, getting drunk around your children is just as irresponsible and influential. Harmful? Not necessarily, but the impact your behavior has on a child while they're young could influence how they think and feel in the future.

Well that is between the parent and the child. I'm not going to tell them how to raise their child.

Just exercise caution is all I'm saying. I have seen some parents act like fools when high. Not the plants fault, but I'd be lying if it didn't affect the way they raise their kids. Not in a bad way, just different. When one incorporates marijuana into their lifestyle, the "lifestyle" can consume them in some ways.

It is what it is. You have to take the bad with the good. Some people are irresponsible and some of THOSE people are parents. Marijuana didn't create these people, they've always existed. Punishing the entire population for the faults of the few though is the wrong answer.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
I posted some professional scientific research on this thread and i have to say the responses so far have been rather concerning.



I do not need a lecture on what is /isn't valid research, I am perfectly able to tell, thank you.

The intelligent responses detailing the faults and bias and the use of 'slang' terminology in the research, indeed suggests that you need the lecturing, and are not "perfectly' able to discern legitimate research. Your concern about the responses needs to be turned inward.

I also teach those of the age groups potentially susceptible to such things and the last things they need is mind altering drugs.

I suggest you do research on how readily available it is to youth where it is illegal now, and maybe suggest doing your own research into how legalization will destroy the black market due to legally-available MJ, and new legal controls placed on distribution to only legally-consuming adults may reduce youth access to these mind-altering drugs.

Teach yourself first before lecturing others about how others are lecturing you about your lack of comprehensive analysis of the biased research before promoting it as undisputable truth - and even silently implying it with your screen name.

Your 'truths' are neither 'absolute' or 'truth'.

And as far as research linking psychosis with drug use...there is a substantial body of research that turns that causal link on its head - that it is the psychosis that leads to the drug use, not the other way around. Those with tendencies for psychosis and depression tend to 'self-medicate' more than the general population.

Take that and smoke on it a bit....