Who built the pyramids ?

originally posted by: gosseyn
Thanks guys, but please none of you has answered the question. Is there any solid written proof from that time on which the mainstream archaeology theory is based ? Surely there must have been some foreman or priest or any other observer of that time who has left some hieroglyphs, some text somewhere. Or am I wrong about the mainstream theory ?

The answer is they didnt build it so they have no idea. The pyramids are ancient relics given to us by humans of previous civilizations. Thet inscribed the outside of the pyramids before they were taken apart to rebuild Cairo. The inscriptions were probably the history of the ancient world but a bunch of monkey brained humans decided to take it apart.

a reply to: gosseyn

Asking the wrong question.
The question that must first be posed is, how is it both
the record and the memory of whom built them as well
as how they were built been WASHED clean? When such
a marvel as the great pyramid being built would have been
celebrated as ancient mans greatest achievment ever? Yet
history as we know it, barely whispers a referrence. They
must have already been there before us. Or at least the
Great Pyramid was.

Where does this idea originally come from that we couldn't build the pyramids today,who are these engineers who look at the pyramids and scratch their heads in wonder,do they have names?

So we can build the Hoover Dam which for the last 60 years or so has been holding back billions of gallons of water without leaking a drop? We can move a 4800 ton hotel but we can't lift a 15 ton block of stone because we don't have cranes big enough?
So Ed Leedskalnin can allegedly build the Coral Castle all by himself using just old truck parts,but we couldn't pile up a load of crudely shaped stone blocks on top of each other until they form a point at the top using modern civil engineering techniques?

Aaaahhh yes,the original question-who built the pyramids? I would think it would have to be the craftsman who slept in the communal sleeping hall,ate in the communal cafeteria and had their injuries treated in the workers medical centre,all in close proximity to the great pyramids.

originally posted by: perception8

There is evidence that the stones used to build the pyramids were laser cut.

If they were laser cut why does the core have gypsum and rubble fill to account for the rough cut of the stones? Why not just cut them to the right size?

originally posted by: perception8
There is evidence that the stones used to build the pyramids were laser cut. How could that be? Engineers have publicly admitted that even with todays technology if would be extremely difficult to rebuild the pyramids the same way. So if we can't really do it now, how did they do it 1000's of years ago? And the BS they taught us in school about using 1000's of slaves, ropes, and cut down trees is ridiculous. Each stone weighs 1000's of tons, and a pyramid was even build on the top of a mountain. There are a couple of documentaries on the subject (the pyramid code is one), and current day experts are all leaning towards aliens building or assisting in the building of the pyramids.

The pyramids being used as tombs was also all wrong. They didn't find any tombs in any of the Great Pyramids. The pyramids were use to generate some form of power or energy.

I missed this one first time around.Where it this evidence of laser cutting then? The photos I have seen of the pyramids construction shows irregular shaped blocks that weigh less than 20 tons,in fact so irregular that every ten layers or so they get so far out of level they even it up with an adjustment layer of thicker and thinner blocks to bring it level again.Oh and once more,they weren't slaves but craftsmen who did the labouring.


Who are 'all' these 'experts' leaning towards aliens as the builders.Are they armchair experts who have watched The History channel and believe what some bloke with big hair tells them,or are they real world experts with proper knowledge of the subject and have done some real research of their own?

I wasn't aware that anyone ever believed the great pyramids were used as tombs,hasn't this been known since we first went inside them and there as nothing of any real value there? I'm not an expert on Egyptology,but weren't they all laid to rest along with King Tut in the valley of the kings,as found by Howard Carter?
Again there is no actual scientific evidence that a pile of rocks could ever be used to generate any sort of power or energy.In fact apart from piezo crystal that has to be bent I don't know of any sort of rock that can generate any sort of energy.

a reply to: onequestion
try reading about the valley of the workers . i can not link , and please stop asking us to do the work for you
because you seem not to want to believe , and given your post that you believe that slaves was involved in the building of the pyramids tells me that you have not even tried .

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
The Great Pyramid has among the most concrete proof there is it was built by Egyptians during the 4th dynasty, in the form of worker hieroglyphs buried within the structure that had been sealed off until the modern era.

I guess you refer to the markings found in the shaft few years ago by a robot... care to provide a link with a scientific paper that is "accepted" widely? I only find articles about the finding, but not about interpretation. The best I found is this, but it doesn't seem to clear all doubts about those paint.

a reply to: Mastronaut

As a poster above us said, "please stop asking us to do the work for you..." There are a multitude of sites and links that contain the information you requested, about the hieroglyphs in the shafts and the relieving chambers, that speak for themselves. If you want to contest their authenticity then post why you do or don't accept them. Of course that has been debated ad nauseam here and elsewhere...

In addition to those two specific examples of "written records" the OP asked about connecting the pyramids to Egyptians, there are other much more minor examples, such as papyri that contain quotas for stone from the quarries - for instance this from Pierre Tallet from the University of Paris-Sorbonne, and Gregory Marouard from the University of Chicago’s Oriental Institute; a papyrus "logbook" discovered in Wadi el-Jarf, belonging to an ancient Egyptian "inspector" named Merer who led a team of 200 men who inspected and tracked the shipment of stone from Tura to Giza for the construction of the Great Pyramid.

THE HARBOR OF KHUFU on the Red Sea Coast at Wadi al-Jarf, Egypt (NEA 77/1)



There are, as I mentioned, more examples of such writings, but I'm really too lazy to "prove" anything to you or anyone else not willing to put in the work to learn of these for themselves.

A better link about the papyrus above:

Oldest papyri ever discovered document pyramid building, or More reasons why the aliens did not build the pyramids

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
a reply to: Mastronaut

As a poster above us said, "please stop asking us to do the work for you..." There are a multitude of sites and links that contain the information you requested, about the hieroglyphs in the shafts and the relieving chambers, that speak for themselves. If you want to contest their authenticity then post why you do or don't accept them. Of course that has been debated ad nauseam here and elsewhere...

I don't know if I would contest the interpretations, except these multitude of sites don't show up unless you are referring to sitchin and hancock lovers blogs. You say the interpretation of the hieroglyphs is one of the most complete proof. I asked a link to a technical/scientifical/widely accepted paper, because I can't find one and I'm intrested in reading one, I wasn't trolling.

In addition to those two specific examples of "written records" the OP asked about connecting the pyramids to Egyptians, there are other much more minor examples, such as papyri that contain quotas for stone from the quarries - for instance this from Pierre Tallet from the University of Paris-Sorbonne, and Gregory Marouard from the University of Chicago’s Oriental Institute; a papyrus "logbook" discovered in Wadi el-Jarf, belonging to an ancient Egyptian "inspector" named Merer who led a team of 200 men who inspected and tracked the shipment of stone from Tura to Giza for the construction of the Great Pyramid.

THE HARBOR OF KHUFU on the Red Sea Coast at Wadi al-Jarf, Egypt (NEA 77/1)

There are, as I mentioned, more examples of such writings, but I'm really too lazy to "prove" anything to you or anyone else not willing to put in the work to learn of these for themselves.

This was a nice reading, I'll go deeper into this, thank you for the link.

From 10,500 to 7,000 years ago, Reclaiming Earth after the Deluge, the Nibiran Goldmining Mission rebuilt Mesopotamia (modern Iraq) with Adapite Hybrids ruled by the Enlil clan through Ziusudra’s sons Shem and Japheth.

THE NEW SPACEPORT (“Place of the Celestial Chariots”) in Sinai Enki’s son Ningizidda/Thoth (using Nibiran power tools that still exceed the capacity our 2005AD tools to cut and transport stones) built two pyramids in Egypt. The larger pyramid, the Great Pyramid, was to be the southwestern marker of a line extending from Mt. Ararat in Eastern Turkey, running through the landing platform at Baalbek in Lebanon and ending at this Great Pyramid on the Nile. The first, smaller, pyramid Ningishzidda had built was a scale model of the Great one. The Great Pyramid was to contain Nibirans’ master computer programs and astronavigational equipment. Enki induced Enlil to authorize a monument to Ningishzidda for designing the pyramids:
“Let us beside the twin peaks a monument create, the Age of the Lion to announce. The image of Ningishzidda, the peaks’ designer, let its face be. Let it precisely toward the Place of Celestial Chariots gaze.”
[Sitchin, Z., 2002, The Lost Book of Enki, page 238]
The actual Spaceport was to be run by Enlil’s son’s son, Utu. The Spaceport was on the 30th parallel, the line of division between the realms of Lineage Enlil North of the parallel and the realms of Lineage Enki, South of the 30th. In the Great Pyramid, Enki’s son Gibil installed pulsating crystals and a capstone of electrum, to reflect a beam that marked the western edge of the runway line from Ararat to Tilmun for incoming spacecraft. The eastern edge of the rocket runway corridor was Mt Katherine, at the southern tip of the Sinai. Mission Control itself was to be on Mount Moriah (the future Jerusalem), off-limits to Earthlings.

Source- www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Obviously,
Ancient computer programmers built the pyramids.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
Do they not teach things like basic history or physics in school anymore? The amount of people buying into some of these ludicrous theories just blows my mind...

ATD,

I think if you put more distance between yourself and them, you'd admire it more.

Harte

originally posted by: perception8
There is evidence that the stones used to build the pyramids were laser cut. How could that be?

Good question, considering stone can't be cut with lasers.

originally posted by: perception8 Engineers have publicly admitted that even with todays technology if would be extremely difficult to rebuild the pyramids the same way.

It's a big building.

originally posted by: perception8So if we can't really do it now, how did they do it 1000's of years ago?

You have yet to establish that "we" couldn't do it, yet you use this as your argument that "they" couldn't?
I suppose all the temples were also built with advanced tech?

originally posted by: perception8And the BS they taught us in school about using 1000's of slaves, ropes, and cut down trees is ridiculous.

Either that's the world's fattest straw man, or you never went to school, since none of that except, possibly, ropes has been any part of Egyptological theory within the lifetime of any member here.

originally posted by: perception8 Each stone weighs 1000's of tons,

Stones average 2.5 tons, except for 15 or twenty that go up to 20 tons (granite ceilings in chambers.)
You're slightly exaggerating, aren't you?

originally posted by: perception8 and a pyramid was even build on the top of a mountain.

Almost all Egyptian pyramids contain small hills - cuts back on the work and stabilizes the structure.

originally posted by: perception8 There are a couple of documentaries on the subject (the pyramid code is one), and current day experts are all leaning towards aliens building or assisting in the building of the pyramids.

Current day scam artistry experts.

originally posted by: perception8
The pyramids being used as tombs was also all wrong. They didn't find any tombs in any of the Great Pyramids. The pyramids were use to generate some form of power or energy.

Ancient Egyptians called them tombs.

But, what would they know, right?

Harte

a reply to: Harte

You're one of my favorite ATS members.

originally posted by: obscurepanda
a reply to: Harte

You're one of my favorite ATS members.

You probably shouldn't advertise that, as the majority here (at least in this section,) take the opposite view, it seems.
But I'll take it.

Harte

Im not saying it was aliens.. . . . But it was probably aliens, or space traveling humans.

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: stirling
The Sphinx is supposedly older than the pyamids at roughly 12 000 yrs give or take.....
But Pyramids exist all over the globe.....many I am sure may be dated as being older than now supposed.....
Yanagumi is ten to 1200 yrs old...built for giants ive heard...now sunk off Okinawa somewhere...
dwarkas temples may date back to sphinx age.....or maybe mohenjo daro....and the South American ruins are older than the peoples who inhabit the region....
I think all things point to a cataclysm around 12ooo yrs ago of some kind.....
Carl Munk is interesting.....
But but I don't get how the numbers get to relate to the degrees he says they do......
Like he says some number he derived and says it equates to a latitude or such...but how?

I believe you are right.

I believe there was an advanced culture prehistory ( for our civilization) and because of cataclysm, they either "left" died out or are us just minus the level of advancement they had achieved.

This much more believably explains many mysteries of the ancient world than the current model.

Which is ancient man could magic 20 ton stones hundreds of feet into the air and place them with absolute precision that we can't even match today.

Even in modern masonry ( 3 years experience for me) we don't even build with any factor of the precision with brick or block and mortar joints they achieved with stone on stone.

Imagine if we built buildings without mortar joints between the stone or blocks or bricks.....it would fall down in a strong wind.

Some if these ancient structures are pure genius.

Speaking if genius, I admit it is possible someone like da Vinci or Einstein came along and thought it all out.....but good god, the logistics alone if moving cutting finishing and precisely placing the stones of the great pyramid are beyond belief.

you would be wrong than the stones cut from around the sphinx were used in the construction of the pyramid complex.

Not to mention the fact that all Egyptian pyramids were constructed with gobs of mortar between the blocks, and the cores are irregular blocks all mortared together into a pile.

Harte

originally posted by: AthlonSavage
if the pyramids are so easy to make with our modern technology then whay hasn't anyone built one even a small replica. Answer because they are damn hard to build even with the use of our modern technology.

Incorrect.

The reason we don't build pyramids today is because the cost / area of usable spaces is atrocious.

As for our current capabilities...we have buildings that could house multiple pyramids, in terms of volume.

For example, the Everett Factory (Boeing) can house just over 5 Great Pyramids of Giza...