Who built the pyramids ?

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: gosseyn
Thanks guys, but please none of you has answered the question. Is there any solid written proof from that time on which the mainstream archaeology theory is based ? Surely there must have been some foreman or priest or any other observer of that time who has left some hieroglyphs, some text somewhere. Or am I wrong about the mainstream theory ?

There are detailed hyroglyph records of it.

But is this just ancient msm.....or the truth?

I believe it is ancient propaganda, used to intimidate slaves.

Slaves could not and would not have built such and amazing perfect structure as the great pyramid.

This is without question.

As is known from all histories from all cultures, slaves will and always do undermine what ever project you force them in.

That is why they are good at manual labor but not building bridges rockets tanks etc...

Mans instinct is to do a piss poor job when forced to do anything.

They make it take longer and sabotage things on purpose.

This is and has been a known fact for thousands of years.

"Ancient MSM propaganda", that is an interesting thought. I'll have to think about that..

a reply to: infinityorder
we could use that same argument about cathedrals , just look at the skill that went into those constructions
the masons would spend their entire working life working on them.

the reason we don't build like that any more is because of the enormous cost .
i am a plasterer but retired now , i have worked all over Europe including Dresden restoring some of the beautiful buildings,
at one time all plasterers could make the decorative plaster art work but they are no longer taught the skill any more because not many people can afford to include it in their projects .

so as you can see how easy these skills can be lost , even the quality of work in our modern constructions can't match what we once had .

a reply to: tom.farnhill

what you are saying is probably true, but we haven't built the pyramids anyway )))

a reply to: Necrose

i like yourself love visiting Egypt and marvel at the wonderful sites , and one in particular caught my attention was the cutting up and relocating of the Abu Simbel temple at Aswan using engineers and funding from around the world
they cut the temple up and moved it piece by piece away from lake nassa and reconstructed it at a new site .

when you walk round the temple you will be hard pressed to see any joints in the reconstruction.
it was a fantastic achievement .

a reply to: gosseyn

There is plenty of evidence if you care to look.

Here an older blog post I'd recommend as a starting point maybe (don't get hung up on the aliens part, it is really informative):

Why the aliens did not build the pyramids

To the OP.

The Egyptians built the pyramids, of which there are approaching 140 in number, with the Giza pyramids being the most famous. The conventional thinking is that slaves were not the workforce behind the pyramids, but it makes good Hollywood movies if they were slaves.

Aliens did not build the pyramids. If they did, then they were not very good at it because the pyramids are not exactly square!

People built the pyramids, as did the people who built pyramids across many ancient cultures and civilisations. Even in England – if you consider building Silbury Hill in 2400BC, as a pyramid-type structure.

Pyramids are easy shapes. The real challenge and achievement are the cathedrals and churches across Europe, which used rudimentary tools, but achieved far more. Certainly more stone was shifted.

Regards

Do they not teach things like basic history or physics in school anymore? The amount of people buying into some of these ludicrous theories just blows my mind...

if the pyramids are so easy to make with our modern technology then whay hasn't anyone built one even a small replica. Answer because they are damn hard to build even with the use of our modern technology. There is an video I may see if I can find that shows how they renovated some large granite pieces form 1970s. The needed to build a structural frame over the thing and then use hydraulics to move sections of it, yes they cut it into sections they couldn't move they whole thing. The builders moved the whole thing. Quote physic and history books all your like and I go find that vid.

There is evidence that the stones used to build the pyramids were laser cut. How could that be? Engineers have publicly admitted that even with todays technology if would be extremely difficult to rebuild the pyramids the same way. So if we can't really do it now, how did they do it 1000's of years ago? And the BS they taught us in school about using 1000's of slaves, ropes, and cut down trees is ridiculous. Each stone weighs 1000's of tons, and a pyramid was even build on the top of a mountain. There are a couple of documentaries on the subject (the pyramid code is one), and current day experts are all leaning towards aliens building or assisting in the building of the pyramids.

The pyramids being used as tombs was also all wrong. They didn't find any tombs in any of the Great Pyramids. The pyramids were use to generate some form of power or energy.

originally posted by: tom.farnhill
a reply to: infinityorder
we could use that same argument about cathedrals , just look at the skill that went into those constructions
the masons would spend their entire working life working on them.

the reason we don't build like that any more is because of the enormous cost .
i am a plasterer but retired now , i have worked all over Europe including Dresden restoring some of the beautiful buildings,
at one time all plasterers could make the decorative plaster art work but they are no longer taught the skill any more because not many people can afford to include it in their projects .

so as you can see how easy these skills can be lost , even the quality of work in our modern constructions can't match what we once had .

I do agree the cathedrals of Europe are a true treasure, and monument to the skill craftsmen once had.

But the tech level of the time was far higher than bronze age, and the size of the stones used was much smaller, as well as the joints being much less tight than those of the great pyramid.

Everything about the two is different.

originally posted by: perception8
There is evidence that the stones used to build the pyramids were laser cut.

Where is that evidence? The Egyptians used pounding stones, copper saws and sand. It may seem fantastic, but where there's a will there's a way, especially when you have time and a culture motivated to build pyramids.

How could that be? Engineers have publicly admitted that even with todays technology if would be extremely difficult to rebuild the pyramids the same way.

Give an unlimited budget, I am sure the pyramids could be replicated, although the difficulty would be (a) the length of time it would take and (b) the number of people involved. Not to mention adherence to health and safety! That said, modern buildings are more complex than the pyramids, which are just an exercise in cutting, shifting and placing stone.

Each stone weighs 1000's of tons,

No they did not. The stones usually weighed up to 15 tonnes, but most were smaller.

The pyramids being used as tombs was also all wrong. They didn't find any tombs in any of the Great Pyramids. The pyramids were use to generate some form of power or energy.

This defies the evidence available, but I suppose all these Egyptologists could be overlooking something obvious, like the machinery.

The pyramids were an extraordinary feat, no doubting, but they were man made.

Regards

Not all pyramids are the same, in some cases they are vastly different. So the simple answer to OP question is "no there is no written record on who or how built all pyramids". There are records of repairs done to some pyramids with no mention of the builders.

I have no doubt that egyptians build some pyramids. I have no doubts that some of those were used as tombs.
On the other side I have doubts about the chronology of all pyramids and the function of some. It doesn't mean Egyptians couldn't do them, but there is no evidence as much as there is no evidence of another civilization that built them earlier.

The scenario I imagine to justify the "it wasn't Egyptians" theory is something like this:

- some people move in an area where they find pyramids (Giza and other locations aswell).
- some of these pyramids are older/less conserved and have openings, leaving egytpians the chance to see the inside.
- they rever the monuments as god's artifacts so they bury the most important people in them and decorate them
- after a lot of time and tentatives they are able to build some replica of the momuments specifically to bury the new VIPs of the time

It doesn't mean it happened, it's probably unfalsiafiable (At least it is given current evidence.. so), it's just that with a doubt you have to make up a scenario to justify the findings.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: gosseyn

I've read and heard many people who have visited Egypt and seen the pyramids. A lot of them can't fathom how an ancient civilization could build such a monumental structure. I have an Engineering friend who visited Eqypt with his wife. He was amazed at the structures and commented with today's technology, you would need some heavy duty stone cutting machines and hydraulic lifting equipment to build such a mammoth 14 story high structure.

Who ever built them, they had more intelligent know how than what history gives them credit for. It's one of earth's most puzzling mysteries.

I'm glad you mentioned this. Every engineer I've read about, or talked with, who has seen the pyramids in person, is awed, and says there's no way it was done as has been hypothesized.

originally posted by: paraphi
The pyramids were an extraordinary feat, no doubting, but they were man made.

Man-made doesn't exclude past civilizations (for which we have no evidence for) so I'd say that this line doesn't disprove that egyptians weren't the builders.



It's bad practice to generalize, we have reliable proof that you can cut limestone with early egyptians tools, we have much less certainty about the ability to do the same precision cut to diorite or pink granite and we have a bit less certainty on how they moved those blocks for 600 miles. It's not just a matter of putting a similar weight onto a boat, the official theory states that the great pyramid did take something like 20 years, which is frankly unbelievable if you consider the logistics even if most of the construction material came from the Giza site.

Despite the idea that there was unlimited budget, people were physically less "strong" and surely much less trained than todays workers. Also the space to move and place the stones can't be filled with infinite people density, we aren't bosons!
So, if we assume true that egyptians build the Great Pyramid under Khufu, then the construction must have lasted after his death and through generations of workers/artisans/chiefs which means it couldn't be a linear process. Accepted theories measure a ballpark of the logistics, but aren't so precise and that's why we can't say we can explain all features.

Just to mention numbers from the GP (correct me if I'm wrong):
2.3 million blocks of which 5.5 million tons of limestone, 8.000 tons of granite.
There are also 500.000 tons of mortar that maybe have been due to repairs (documented, we have testimony that they did repairs) so they are not strictly necessary in the initial construction.
There are also something like 1 million tons of capstones that are currently missing (check Khafre's top to see what they would look like) made of limestone and higly polished.

All this material had to be carved, transported and moved in place with a rather good degree of precision compared to what was usual in that time, with primitive tools. There is only so much space in a cave, on a bot and on a ramp, you can't use unlimited funds to compress people so man-hour work was still limited by logstics.

a reply to: gosseyn

The first mutant, Apocalypse.

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According to some, It was the Giants that built the pyramids.

a reply to: paraphi
yes i agree , its time we gave our ancestors the credit that they deserve , why people jump to the conclusion that it must be aliens is beyond logic .

people seem to forget that it is only the chambers and galleries that have been built with fine precision
the rest of the construct is no way special , and it did not need to be because it was finished off with a lime stone casing .
i wonder if any of the aliens did it folk have actually been there and looked at it with an open and logical mind .

There is written proof, from pyramid texts to quarry marks to work orders and inventories, but do you consider this the only form of proof? Do you disdain the overwhelming archaeological record that indicates when and who built the pyramids?

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
There is written proof, from pyramid texts to quarry marks to work orders and inventories, but do you consider this the only form of proof? Do you disdain the overwhelming archaeological record that indicates when and who built the pyramids?

This is not true for all pyramids especially the Great one. There is a stele (the Inventory one iirc) that describes the repairs of the Sphynx and the GP by Khufu, but it's dismissed as revisionism (wonder on what evidence outside of oldest pottery in the area). There are no inscriptions inside the GP and has not been found any sarcophagus.
It's far from being overwhelming evidence for ALL pyramids and even dating is a controversial subject in some cases.

originally posted by: Mastronaut

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
There is written proof, from pyramid texts to quarry marks to work orders and inventories, but do you consider this the only form of proof? Do you disdain the overwhelming archaeological record that indicates when and who built the pyramids?

This is not true for all pyramids especially the Great one. There is a stele (the Inventory one iirc) that describes the repairs of the Sphynx and the GP by Khufu, but it's dismissed as revisionism (wonder on what evidence outside of oldest pottery in the area). There are no inscriptions inside the GP and has not been found any sarcophagus.
It's far from being overwhelming evidence for ALL pyramids and even dating is a controversial subject in some cases.

The Great Pyramid has among the most concrete proof there is it was built by Egyptians during the 4th dynasty, in the form of worker hieroglyphs buried within the structure that had been sealed off until the modern era.