Christianity is a death cult

originally posted by: Punisher75

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DenyTreason

Gladly... its a book written by an unknown author to teach a lesson...

the contents of which are a story and nothing more... Why you might ask?

Simply because no one could possibly know about a silly bet between God and the devil...

Now... wheres my lesson?

Why couldn't they?

If Gods reality is assumed, as you have done by asking the Question of how anyone could know about a "bet between God and the Devil."

Then the answer is pretty obvious, either God the Devil or another Angel or Demon told the writer about the bet.

Or it was made up to tell a story which teaches a lesson...

which is more likely?

a reply to: ketsuko

I guess that means I'm no different than Christians and their threads saying "Jesus saves, Jesus saves, Jesus saves. Believe in the crucifixion, Jesus saves."

Any thoughts pertaining to the OP or are you just going to address me personally?

a reply to: DenyTreason

Same here my friend! Kicked that bad habit bout a decade ago and always love to hear another success story from someone else whose seen the light!!!

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Punisher75

Mental gymnastics.

If sin costs you your life and Christians sin every day then they are dead every day. God is God of the living, not the dead. Christians are dead inside because of the sin that is in them.


1 Corinthians 15:31
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Why would Jesus not want to die when he knew it would bring salvation to all?

Because Crucifixion hurts.

That doesn't make any sense. That would mean Jesus didn't want salvation for all. That also implies that Jesus was fallible because he didn't want God's infallible plan to come to fruition.

It means nothing of the sort it is why he said "Not my will but thy will be done."

No, the passage says don't create any idols/images in the form of a man. Jesus is said to be the image and he came in the form of a man. God tells you not to worship an image in the form of a man because it is idolatry.

He then goes on to say not to worship fish or birds either. What you have done is called Collapsing Context. www.youtube.com... Take a listen and get back to me. I think you will see what I mean.

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: Punisher75

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DenyTreason

Gladly... its a book written by an unknown author to teach a lesson...

the contents of which are a story and nothing more... Why you might ask?

Simply because no one could possibly know about a silly bet between God and the devil...

Now... wheres my lesson?

Why couldn't they?

If Gods reality is assumed, as you have done by asking the Question of how anyone could know about a "bet between God and the Devil."

Then the answer is pretty obvious, either God the Devil or another Angel or Demon told the writer about the bet.

Or it was made up to tell a story which teaches a lesson...

which is more likely?

I am have no interesting in trying to "prove God is real" because I can't hence why I go by faith. I only pointed out that you asked a question that assumed that God was real, and so I gave you a response, with the same assumption.

a reply to: Punisher75

Yes, you die daily, meaning the God of the living is not your God. Also, Paul's words are not Jesus' even though you may think so.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

I guess that means I'm no different than Christians and their threads saying "Jesus saves, Jesus saves, Jesus saves. Believe in the crucifixion, Jesus saves."

Any thoughts pertaining to the OP or are you just going to address me personally?

I haven't made any threads saying Jesus saves. In fact, I don't think I've ever started a thread in this particular forum. but if I ever did, I would think it would be on a subject that hasn't been covered multiple times.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Punisher75

Yes, you die daily, meaning the God of the living is not your God. Also, Paul's words are not Jesus' even though you may think so.

Well, let's just try to get a little more judgmental and offensive.

a reply to: ketsuko

I wasn't talking about you in particular, but Christians in general that post in this forum.

Admit it, you didn't read my OP, you just made a knee-jerk reaction to the title.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Punisher75

Yes, you die daily, meaning the God of the living is not your God. Also, Paul's words are not Jesus' even though you may think so.

And the words in Deuteronomy are not Christs words either so why again did you quote from there and use it to support your claim?

a reply to: ketsuko

Stating the truth is offensive to you? Christians die daily according to Paul (or do you not walk the same path Paul did?), Jesus says God is only God of the living. If Christians die daily then they are dead daily, meaning the God of the living is not their God. Or is God both God of the living AND dead as Paul says?

originally posted by: Punisher75

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: Punisher75

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DenyTreason

Gladly... its a book written by an unknown author to teach a lesson...

the contents of which are a story and nothing more... Why you might ask?

Simply because no one could possibly know about a silly bet between God and the devil...

Now... wheres my lesson?

Why couldn't they?

If Gods reality is assumed, as you have done by asking the Question of how anyone could know about a "bet between God and the Devil."

Then the answer is pretty obvious, either God the Devil or another Angel or Demon told the writer about the bet.

Or it was made up to tell a story which teaches a lesson...

which is more likely?

I am have no interesting in trying to "prove God is real" because I can't hence why I go by faith. I only pointed out that you asked a question that assumed that God was real, and so I gave you a response, with the same assumption.

What makes you think I don't believe in God?

I know God is real... I need no proof from anyone... and you couldn't prove it if you tried anyways...

Job on the other hand, is a silly story about a bet between God and the devil... its a fairy tale...

Plus if it was real it shows that the OT god is a horrible creature... not worth the pages the silly story is written on, but we don't need job to show that... most of the rest of the OT is a great example of such things

a reply to: Punisher75

Because you believe they are Christ's words. Or is Jesus not Yahweh anymore?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

No, I read through it quickly. It's more legalism and more of your particular interpretation of scripture.

a reply to: ketsuko

Sorry, but I don't believe you. If you read the OP I would hope you would have addressed some of the points made in it, but you didn't.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

Stating the truth is offensive to you? Christians die daily according to Paul (or do you not walk the same path Paul did?), Jesus says God is only God of the living. If Christians die daily then they are dead daily, meaning the God of the living is not their God. Or is God both God of the living AND dead as Paul says?

No it means just what paul ment it to mean.
As a Christian you die daily.
What does that mean?
It means everyday we die to the "old man" and make the attempt to live everyday more righteous than the one before. Everyday attempting to live more like Christ.

a reply to: Punisher75

No, that's not what Paul said, he simply said "I die daily". You're using eisegesis, drawing out a meaning that is not there in order to bolster your presuppositions and biases.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

Sorry, but I don't believe you. If you read the OP I would hope you would have addressed some of the points made in it, but you didn't.

I don't think you bothered to pay attention to the videos I posted. Sin is turning away from God's will to follow your own. The natural conclusion is that so long as you follow your will in defiance of God's then you are not in accord with Him and will die and stay dead.

You are overcomplicating it to make it seem contradictory.

Believe in God, follow his way, have eternal life. Turn away from God, follow your own way, die. The wages of sin is death.

Repentance means to rededicate yourself to God's will and His way. So you repent frequently. I addressed these very same points in your thread the other day. This is simply a new version of the same territory.

Here's my 2 cents pertaining to the op. The story of Christ's crucifixion opens the door for the "lost" to forgive themselves. Idk, if you have ever committed a grave error but for those who have; faith in Christ, and the resurrection may be the only way to forgive yourself. This is one of the hardest things to do in this world and for some, the only way that works.

originally posted by: Akragon

I am have no interesting in trying to "prove God is real" because I can't hence why I go by faith. I only pointed out that you asked a question that assumed that God was real, and so I gave you a response, with the same assumption.

What makes you think I don't believe in God?

I assumed so, cause most don't.

I know God is real... I need no proof from anyone... and you couldn't prove it if you tried anyways...

Sure couldn't that's why I said...
" no interesting in trying to "prove God is real" because I can't hence why I go by faith. "

Job on the other hand, is a silly story about a bet between God and the devil... its a fairy tale...

It's fine if you believe that I am not interested in converting you.

Plus if it was real it shows that the OT god is a horrible creature... not worth the pages the silly story is written on, but we don't need job to show that... most of the rest of the OT is a great example of such things

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