Christianity is a death cult

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Hushabye

Take a look at the details of that story...

Cain offered the fruit of his hard work and labour...

Able offered the blood of an innocent animal...

Gives you an idea of what this so called god was about...

The Father of Jesus did not want blood or sacrifice of the innocent...

the sacrifice must come from within...

BULL!!! You havent read the Bible.

Have you?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Akragon

I agree, but works is what leads to faith, not the other way around. Works are greater than faith because faith is what is gained from good works.

I don't know about that one brother...

Faith can not be greater then work, but im not so sure if work is greater then Faith either...

Faith without works is not faith, but work with the wrong intention is not much better

a reply to: DenyTreason

BULL!!! You havent read the Bible.

Have you?

no never...LOL


Learn me oh wise one...

a reply to: DenyTreason

Ha!! Yeah the God commanded or personally inflicted through disaster death toll in the old testament is pretty damn hard to ignore.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Worshiping a man's death and torture and believing that it was good is a very morbid thing. Jesus did not come to die for sins, he came to teach us the way to God, and that does not include his death at the hands of the Romans. How do you come to God? Not by believing in a sacrifice that Jesus himself said he had no desire for, it is by loving others as yourself and loving God. If you love others then that is a sign of loving God, whether you acknowledge it or not.

John 15
10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.

Jesus' commands were to love others as yourself and to love God. No sacrifice or belief in a sacrifice is needed in order to come to God, all that is needed is love for others.

1 John 4
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

If God is love then to love others is to know God, it really is as simple as that. Jesus echoes this sentiment in every word he speaks.

Matthew 9
13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

However Christ is not saying any of that in this verse. here are the verses leading up to verse 13
10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples.
11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

The point he was making is that he come to save people from sins not to collect their sacrifices or to take their alms or tell them to make sure they do their temple practices.

Was Jesus shown any mercy while he was sacrificed on the cross? No, he was brutally and mercilessly killed. Why would Jesus say he didn't desire sacrifice when he "knew" it was the means to the end: salvation?

If he wanted everyone to be saved, and his sacrifice was the only way to salvation, then it goes to reason that he desired the sacrifice, because he desired everyone to be saved, right? Yet he says he did not desire sacrifice, but mercy. What is mercy? An outward manifestation of love for another person. To show someone mercy is a sign of love for them. Jesus tells us to love others to remain in he and his Father's love.

This flies in the face of mainstream Christian beliefs. Anyone who believes Jesus' torture and sacrifice was necessary for salvation is slapping Jesus in the face in my opinion, ignoring the words he said in favor of someone else's: Paul's.

Matthew 26
39 He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, "My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine."

This is right before Jesus was arrested and nailed to the cross.

Like I said before, if Jesus desired that everyone be saved, and he "knew" his sacrifice was the only way, then why is he asking God to take the cup of his crucifixion from him?

It is important to note two things here.
1.) No one wants to be killed, and Christ was as much man as God so of course The "Man part" of Christ did not want to be tortured and killed.

2.) It is important to note that the Cup did not in fact pass over him even though he made the prayer. What does this mean? I would say it means that The fathers will was done.

Mark 12
33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Again, this passage flies in the face of mainstream Christian teachings.

I am not sure how this flies in the face of Christian teaching at all. The whole point of the Gospel is that mans works are worthless in Gods eyes as a means of Salvation and that only through Christ's atonement can man be saved.

So in short, Jesus says that he does not desire sacrifice, he agrees with a man who said loving others is more important than sacrifice, and he asks God to pass his cup of suffering to someone else

Where do you read that Christ wanted anything to be passed to someone else? I don't read that anyplace.

So why do Christians believe that his sacrifice was necessary and that it is the most important thing of all? Because they have been lied to, they have been indoctrinated into believing death brings life. Only life brings life.

What is sin? It is death.

Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

It is pretty clear in the passage you just quoted that death is the price for sin, However Sin itself is not death. In effect the verse says, "How much will sin cost me? and the answer is "It will cost you your life."

Deuteronomy 4
16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman

God tells us not to be corrupted by an image in the form of a man or woman. Jesus is the image of God according to the bible, and Jesus is in the form of a man.

Lets read the passage you quoted again. It says do not become corrupt AND MAKE FOR YOURSELVES an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman.

This mean nothing more that don't make statues, sculptures, golden calf's e.t.c. and call it God.

a reply to: Akragon

Actually, you know what? You're right. Faith and works come together so one cannot be greater than the other. But love is the greatest off all because it brings forth both good works and faith.

Thanks for your time here.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

my pleasure as always...

now pardon me whilst I wait for my lesson

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DenyTreason

BULL!!! You havent read the Bible.

Have you?

no never...LOL


Learn me oh wise one...

For just ONE example, explain the Book of Job, will ya???

Not to mention the passages EVERYWHERE where the faithful are to suffer tremendously as believers as "gods will". You have no clue.

a reply to: DenyTreason

Gladly... its a book written by an unknown author to teach a lesson...

the contents of which are a story and nothing more... Why you might ask?

Simply because no one could possibly know about a silly bet between God and the devil...

Now... wheres my lesson?

originally posted by: Luca1664
a reply to: DenyTreason

Ha!! Yeah the God commanded or personally inflicted through disaster death toll in the old testament is pretty damn hard to ignore.

100% correct. Christains have no damn clue. I used to be ONE OF THEM!!!

a reply to: DenyTreason

The "thing" that handed Job over to Satan was not God. The god of the OT is not God, he was an impostor.

John 10
8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them.

a reply to: DenyTreason

Seems like you still are...



still waiting...

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DenyTreason

Gladly... its a book written by an unknown author to teach a lesson...

the contents of which are a story and nothing more... Why you might ask?

Simply because no one could possibly know about a silly bet between God and the devil...

Now... wheres my lesson?

What are you saying?

If you think the bible is a silly fictional storybook, I am behind you 100%.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DenyTreason

Seems like you still are...

still waiting...

Waiting for WHAT? See my post above.

Ask away. I am trying to figure out what you are asking. My stance is that the bible is a ridiculous bunch of nonsense. A work of complete plagerism and its belivers are idiots (not to sound mean).

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DenyTreason

Gladly... its a book written by an unknown author to teach a lesson...

the contents of which are a story and nothing more... Why you might ask?

Simply because no one could possibly know about a silly bet between God and the devil...

Now... wheres my lesson?

Why couldn't they?

If Gods reality is assumed, as you have done by asking the Question of how anyone could know about a "bet between God and the Devil."

Then the answer is pretty obvious, either God the Devil or another Angel or Demon told the writer about the bet.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DenyTreason

The "thing" that handed Job over to Satan was not God. The god of the OT is not God, he was an impostor.

John 10
8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them.

BULL!!!! The OT and NT are to be accepted as the same god. You cannot deny one and accept the other. Hypocrisy much??

a reply to: Punisher75

Mental gymnastics.

If sin costs you your life and Christians sin every day then they are dead every day. God is God of the living, not the dead. Christians are dead inside because of the sin that is in them.

Why would Jesus not want to die when he knew it would bring salvation to all? That doesn't make any sense. That would mean Jesus didn't want salvation for all. That also implies that Jesus was fallible because he didn't want God's infallible plan to come to fruition.

No, the passage says don't create any idols/images in the form of a man. Jesus is said to be the image and he came in the form of a man. God tells you not to worship an image in the form of a man because it is idolatry.

a reply to: DenyTreason

Im saying its a compilation of many books, written by many authors...

Some of it is historical, some of it is myth and legend... some allegorical and or metaphorical...

And I've probably read it more times then you've looked at it... LOL

You shouldn't assume things about people you don't know...

Plus I just dislike it when people assume I've never read the book just because I disagree with most of Christianity's theology and or dogma...

I take it im not getting my lesson?

This thread again? Didn't we have one of these not too long ago?

Why didn't you pile onto that thread and say your piece there?

Why make a new thread to rehash an old complaint?

a reply to: DenyTreason

Says who? You? LOL.

Sorry, but I cannot accept a god who ordered the slaughter of babies to be one in the same as a man who ordered us to love our enemies. If you can, then good for you.