Christianity is a death cult

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

5StarOracle: that's where your wrong I remember full well choosing this based on what I wanted to experience in this test called life...
my soul and my body have the same appearance as does everyone else and it's only ever going to be mine...
Only they are in their perfected state when completed...

Then this a good thing *question everything*.

5StarOracle: this does not take away from the TRUTH of God or the fact the WORD has always been it is he who gives you the choice when you have gone through the record upon leaving the guff of souls..

This is an EVEN BETTER thing (revelation).

5StarOracle: Spare me your arrogance assuming you know something I do not
this is your only crack at existing in this reality you don't get another kick at the cat, nor will there be a need to...
You are being judged and you like many others are choosing to fool themselves or delight in a lie...

humble yourself...

Speaking for myself; I can have as many 'cracks' at as many lifetimes as I choose (I don't limit myself to believe in what I see as a negative : *NO YOU CANT POSSIBLY DO THAT*). I am not going to be judged by others as I am the best judge of myself.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
It helps if you do actual research before spouting off...again...they were not slaves

Really? You want to debate this and not my point in all of it?

Lets make it better for you....

It was a society norm for Plato and Aristotle to have sex with boys, and they both had slaves...

According to Aristotle, the daily routine of slaves could be summed up in three words: "work, discipline, and feeding".[133] Xenophon's advice is to treat slaves as domestic animals, that is to say punish disobedience and reward good behaviour.[134] For his part, Aristotle prefers to see slaves treated as children and to use not only orders but also recommendations, as the slave is capable of understanding reasons when they are explained.[135]

A slave could not engage free boys in pederastic relationships ("A slave shall not be the lover of a free boy nor follow after him, or else he shall receive fifty blows of the public lash."),

but citizens could do as they will with slaves.

So with all that said let me rephrase my point...


Even as Plato and Aristotle contemplated modern philosophy, logic, ethics etc. they had sex with boys that was considered a a norm, and he lived in a time where life had little value while owning slaves. Do we then say today that the foundation of ethics is based on pedophilia, death cult and slavery?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

what I find funny about you repeating this over and over is the fact that it is you that see the death part as the end with nothing beyond that to look forward to or even acknowledge more accurately...

Christians do not worship a dead God, nor is it death that we look forward to... no it is the exact opposite it is the Victory over Death which is Life...

death bad LIFE good...

Get over the hUMp already...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

If Christians don't want to be seen as a death cult then maybe they should stop putting so much emphasis on his sacrifice.

If Jesus' only purpose was to die on the cross then what was the point of his ministry? Why not just die on the cross then have Paul pick up where he left off with the reasoning behind his sacrifice?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: 5StarOracle

If Christians don't want to be seen as a death cult then maybe they should stop putting so much emphasis on his sacrifice.

If Jesus' only purpose was to die on the cross then what was the point of his ministry? Why not just die on the cross then have Paul pick up where he left off with the reasoning behind his sacrifice?

Why the obvious metaphor here? Jesus wasn't really into 'animal sacrifice' he broke from Judaic tradition which included this pagan practice form of tithing. What would he think now; did he know he was for all time to be symbolized as the sacrificial lamb (dying for our sins thereby giving us all a pass to sin at will as he was the redeemer past/present/forever)?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You mean his sacrifice that OVERCAME DEATH?

oh Ya the one that leads to LIFE EVERLASTING...

just as he is the light and the way his teachings are of utmost importance not for to satisfy his need for us to be good little robots that do not offend him. But so that we can take care of and love one another so we can be and learn all we can and to protect us from as much evil as possible...

he did all he could to guide us well but we fail to listen and do so well...

But his sacrifice was indeed needed to fulfill prophecy and the magnitude of his act as well as his wondrous victory over death as well as his promise of the same for those who believe is truly wonderful...

And those who can lament and anguish over his agony endured for them are blessed for having done so and that is the TRUTH

a reply to: 5StarOracle

You saying Jesus had to die to fulfill prophecy brings some lyrics from Bob Marley to mind.

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery,
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look?
Some say it's just a part of it,
We've got to fulfill the book.

If prophecy must be fulfilled, let's let war happen, because it's supposed to happen before Jesus comes back. Let's sit on our hands while they kill the prophets and wage war to fulfill the book.

Also, where is the evidence for Jesus' sacrifice overcoming anything? People still die and evil still exists in the world today. Your notion that Jesus' sacrifice overcame death is a case of pure blind faith with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Paul endorses sin, he doesn't condone it (though he may want you to think otherwise), which is exactly why he put so much emphasis on Jesus' supposed sacrifice.

Romans 7
19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good

Sin as much as you want, as long as you believe in the sacrifice it is no longer you who are sinning, but the sin and evil that lives within you.

Yes, Jesus' supposed sacrifice is a free ticket to sin without taking any personal responsibility for it. Paul outlines that line of thinking clearly in the above passage.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

(1) What is a cross for? It was not just a burden to be borne. Far more than that, it was an instrument of death and total sacrifice. (2) Jesus said take up our cross and follow Him. He bore a cross and we must bear our cross and follow Him. But where was He going with His cross? He had just said He was going to die. (3) In the next verse Jesus said we must give our lives for Him. (4) Then He asked what good our lives would be to us, if we are unacceptable at the judgment. Hence, "taking up your cross" refers to giving your whole life to God, as Jesus was about to give His life for us.

Denying Self, Carrying Your Cross, and Giving Your Life for Jesus

Luke 6
49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete."

Jesus says that whoever hears his words but does not practice (DO) them has built his house without a foundation.

Romans 7
19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing.

Paul did not put Jesus' words into practice, which is why he says he does not do good. His house has no foundation.

If he "keeps on doing" what he does not want to do, he was not born of God because:

1 John 3
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

The sand is washing away from underneath Paul's house, it will crash soon.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

just as he fulfilled prophesy thousands of years before his life as man....hmm Ya I think it's thousands of years by then...so was the completeness of the truths of his teachings...

I could tell you a tale that is very secret of how the ark bore him to heaven and that's where it will remain until he brings it back with him...

Bottom line is he is the truth and I find no fault in his teaching so I'll believe him over you any day...

looking at bobs lyrics although he was most likely baked out of his mind was not all wrong either...

Are you trying to tell me Jesus lied to us???

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Bob Marley's words being a result of him "being baked out of his mind" is why marijuana is illegal, it opens your mind to new possibilities and aids in spirituality.

Also, where have you seen me discredit any of Jesus' teachings? If you believe Paul's words are those of Jesus then you are mistaken. Paul was the antichrist posing as one of his apostles, which is why he didn't practice Jesus' commands.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Don't get me wrong I like electric lettuce just fine my God made it to do a great many things, I am no fool...
in the words of MR Marley "Legalize Marijuana!"

Anyway Christianity is not a Death Cult because
it is a religious movement that is founded in the beliefs and practice of Billions of people on the Earth who are alive which worship a God That is not Dead... Furthermore this constitutes a societal NORM not some deviant sect on the flverge of madness...

A Death Cult would be any other religious sect that does not acknowledge Christ as the messiah...

It's ok to be wrong... don't worry be happy...

I better add onto that I know others come around Gods own chosen people the Jews come around and acknowledge him before the end I'm sure others will as well... but then again will they not too be Christians then???

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: 5StarOracle

Bob Marley's words being a result of him "being baked out of his mind" is why marijuana is illegal, it opens your mind to new possibilities and aids in spirituality.

Also, where have you seen me discredit any of Jesus' teachings? If you believe Paul's words are those of Jesus then you are mistaken. Paul was the antichrist posing as one of his apostles, which is why he didn't practice Jesus' commands.

Actually, the words attributed to Jesus were not written by Jesus nor by anyone who ever heard him speak. They were written multiple generations after he allegedly lived. However, I take your point: Paul's words are certainly not those of Jesus nor the actual authors of the words attributed to Jesus. Christianity is, indeed, Paulism with a thin Jesus veneer. I often wonder why they don't openly worship Paul.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Islam teaches eternal life yet they reject Jesus as THE messiah, the same with Judaism. Islam sees Jesus as a prophet and do not believe he was crucified, yet they teach eternal life.

How can Islam be a death cult if they teach eternal life? Isn't that your argument for Christianity?

a reply to: Tangerine

Probably because worshiping a man as God is blasphemy.

Wait a minute.......

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

you don't want to know what I think about Islam and the false prophet with the mark of the beast filled with wrath that will take your head should you fail to convert...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

I already have an idea...

But like I said, even Islam teaches eternal life yet they deny Jesus as being God. How are they a death cult when your whole argument against Christianity being a death cult is that it teaches eternal life?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

once again I ask you if you are calling Jesus a liar???

his words

I am the light and the way no man comes to the father but through me...

to believe in him is to believe in his word Fully not try and become a standout after he came into the world and lead others astray which is what is essentially being done even if done in ignorance in a belief system which promises you however many virgins for killing yourself and as many believers in Jesus as you can... even if he is only a prophet in their eyes he would still be Gods prophet and hold greater favor with God than them so how could this constitute anything other than stupidity and murderous death filled Wrath?

even those in Hell have eternal life your soul is indestructible as well as eternal...

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I am not an 'ardent fan' of Paul either. "Sin as much as you want" (to know it and enjoy it without guilt is the secret he neglects to tell; as long as you do not experience remorse while sinning, you are fine). I sometimes wonder if he is the actual anti-Christ very well hidden within the 'good news' messaging. Jesus's (monopoly game) " I will Get you out of jail free card (200.00 dollars) due to my sacrifice" doesn't resonate with me; Trojan Horse lifts its wooden head swivels and looks at you right between the eyes.