Unidentifed flying object recorded in Lima

The timing and comment from the Raelian spokesman is far too close to rule out a hoax, the fact they have been caught before sort of condemns this to the hoax bin.

The only question I have is could a quad copter last 2hrs in one flying stint as that is how long it was seen for...

a reply to: Bloodydagger

Nice find.

Funny that this TV crew sees this UFO, films it for a while and then decide to just go ahead with the filming of their crime-busting program... all of them being so busy they don't even notice the object going away. Nobody seems to have called 911 (at least they don't mention calling), although the object stayed in the air for a reported 2 - 2 1/2 hours. And if it was in the air for that time, one would indeed expect more vids surfacing. I would even have expected helicopters going out to investigate. Any radar data? The 'Aeropuerto Internacional Jorge Chávez' is just +- 15 Km away... Any logs of calls to 911?

And I agree with Game and Del that the coincidence of the Raelians lobbying for the opening of an extraterrestrial embassy at the exact same time and place as the sighting is at least suspicious.

Anyway: 2 vids (with metadata such as time and location, I suppose), 2 angles, loads of film frames: somebody must be able to perform some triangulation and obtain heigth, position and size of the object, I assume. The crane and the construction site that appear in the 2 videos is the same, which is an added asset for that purpose.

Regards.

a reply to: Agnost

Of course, even if 32 crews had recorded a real UFO, we at ATS still would find a reason to ignore and deny it .

But if we simply take this at face value - multiple witnesses, including a professional crew and a member of congress, multiple recordings, two hour long sighting - well, maybe this IS a real (rael..) sighting. Since in as far as I know the Raelians haven't announced this a few days in advance I guess they simply use the opportunity to promote their cult.

There seem to be many photos and videos and I expect more of them to surface. E.g. in one of the videos you can clearly see the studio crew and/or some bystanders shooting pictures / videos.

Something puzzles me though. Check out this video (posted before here):



What puzzles me how it is that that guy working on the roof (the one with the hard hat on, pulling a rope out of a shaft) is not even looking up. I mean: if you have a sighting like that, you'd expect folks to gaze at it, scratch their heads, shout to other folks, stuff like that. Nope. "Allright, so the aliens landed. So what. Let's pull some rope out of a shaft here".

Weird.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

Unfortunately it's impossible these days to tell if such things aren't just a $200 drone with a home made 'UFO' shell over it.

Here's a stabilized version that I've (quickly) done for this video (better watch it in 1080p HD in full screen)



The UFO appears to be in fact not completely stationary. It seems to me that there's a parallax problem here: such an alleged distant object definitely cannot exhibit such a weird behavior, i-e moving all along the video in (almost) perfect relationship with some of the closest parts of the scene, as if it was attached to it. Indeed, it moves in the same apparent way, in the stabilized video, as that of the steel framework in the foreground, whereas it does not in relationship to the crane:



It's particularly visible in full screen mode. This alone raise a red flag for me.

Another interesting thing to look at is the radiometric comparative values of some objects of the scene, using the methodology describes here.

If we consider the best case, i-e the object to be black (or very dark), then, in an empiric approach, we can say that more black the object is, closest to the camera it is, because the darkest parts of the objects of the scene are submitted to variations of their apparent luminance mostly due to atmospheric diffusion.

If object's radiometry is per se not black, then, all other things being equal, it is closer to the camera.

Then, if we consider the ropes of the crane to be black (which is likely the case), we can compare their radiometric values to those of the object, both being in front of the blue sky:



The values to consider in the above capture are those of the minimum grey pixel for each area, with 0 = "pure" black and 255 "pure" white.

A black object located very close to the camera will have a grey pixel value close to 0; this value will increase gradually if the object move away from the camera.

In the same way, a very far away black object will see the atmospheric diffusion impact in a more important way these grey pixel values: the more far away it is, the more this value will be close to 255 and the object will be less visible.

Then for the crane's ropes, the minimum value for the grey pixels is 70, and 97 for the UFO. These two values are close each other, meaning that this alleged UFO is almost a the same distance (a little more far away) than the crane is from the camera.

If only we knew the distance crane/cameraman, then we should be able to compute the distance UFO/cameraman, and possibly UFO's size as well.

A tiny UFO maybe?

Would be really nice to believe, but as soon as you find out they are trying to gain funding for an alien embassy. Looks legit but that alone points to an agenda

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
FWIW, South American countries are much more open than the US about sightings, records, investigations on UFO's. Actually just about every country on Earth is more open about this than the US, I wonder why.

Of course, being "open" about sightings isn't always a good thing if it beens being more susceptible to hoaxes or intentionally perpetuating them.

I know it's an unfair generalization but I'm now automatically suspicious of Latin American media on this subject after falling for Jaime Maussan.

Seems to be fairly flat, with a kind of flopped-over black "tail" at the "end." It also seems to slowly oscillate side-to-side along a central axis that runs through the center.



Some kind of remote-controlled kite, maybe? It doesn't seem to make any abrupt, "alien" right angled moves or anything, but rather drift along with the wind.

Balloon

originally posted by: In4ormant
Balloon

I can see that. A partially-inflated balloon of some kind. Red on "top," purple on one side, black on the other.

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE

originally posted by: kamatty
am i missing something or do all the videos end mid sighting? if im not missing something then this is a big red flag

Unless something happens and is over instantly like a car crash, most videos on Youtube end mid-activity, people filming know the sheeple have limited attention spans.

The last concert I saw on You tube ended half-way through, I wonder if it was real?

Yeah yeah that makes sense, a potential filming of an alien craft and you'd end filming prematurity. Balls!!! It probably ends early to avoid confirmation of yet another elaborate hoax. If something is worth watching then you'll watch it to the end.

And for what it's worth most video's on youtube do not end prematurity, unless of course it's either a hoax ufo or big foot.

Ahhh the sheeple and their attention spans. Don't forget the gullible and their... well, gullibility

reminds me of a cuttlefish or squid-type shape.

files.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: RoScoLaz4

I could watch this whole day, can't wait to see our Brothers.

This is going to be hard to fathom for many that haven't looked into all things Raelian.

But, if any cult/sect/religion was to confirm and present evidence of an "extra" reality anything..
it would be the Raelians.

They have *real* funding and science projects that make greer and friends look like mindless lowly beggars.
They have been doing all that for decades now, they are especially interested in cloning, and contact techniques that parallel many "commonly" pushed channeling methods.. kinda like the misfit offspring of Scientology and Mormonism, but super serious about contacting and "hosting" (see cloning comment above) their alien brethren.

Much of what they believe, has become common core alienoligy.. well.. the *kooky* side of it anyway that we see everyday.. so it's easy to lug them in with the rest of the noise.

The reality of the situation is thus, these guys are the serious end of the stick. What we are bombarded with daily is the other end of the stick. the greers, the lears.. and co.

IF it's a hoax... it's a dam good one.. and it's been going on since the 70's

It is nice to see saucers are still around. All too often it is blurry footage of orbs or lights. I figured ET had retired the saucer a while ago.

Pretty decent footage but question is ... is it cgi ?

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: AtypicalJ
The way it moves and the shape looks like it could be a hummingbird or a bee

I was waiting for someone to say bird or insect lol Clearly, it is not

An insect? more like a Blue Whale. I have seen them fly before, it is much easier to fly when out of water than under.

As people have said, if this were real, you'd see the end. The most important part of the video is the end, as if this "craft" shot off into the distance at insane speeds it'd be a lot more impressive, instead we see an easily faked object.

What happened to it? Where is the footage of it leaving, or coming down, or whatever?

Come on, it's obvious there is nothing impressive here.

a reply to: elevenaugust

Good list of facts, to find out what it can be... I think this could be something. .

Lady's certainly an option inside fur, mirror , crystals from Swarovski

Anymore, for me, it has to be doing some g-force defying movement or something that makes it not of this Earth... some people would release a large balloon just for a gag and such.