UK Government child stealing exposed by EU

a reply to: TechUnique

Well I can see both sides of the argument to be honest...


As with digital consveration, there is always a chance of "lost in translation"...


I can see why some thought you were saying its inexplicably connected...
I can also see that suggesting there is a link is not that farfetched either...





To be honest it's disheartening to see...
Of all the subjects that tear us apart into partisan groups on ATS...

I'd have hoped this topic would bring us all together for a reasoned discussion even if disagreement occurs.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Perhaps, but that isn't the link that was being "suggested" - it was being put forward, suggested, indicated or otherwise implied that this was somehow tied into the Government taking kids of families to feed high-level paedo rings and the OP video was apparently the "EU exposing the UK" for doing such, when in actual fact it was the 28 individual petitioners, along with an independent legal advice society, making a presentation to an EU committee about Family Courts in both the UK and the Netherlands.

There is usually a reason kids are put into care and that is to remove them from abusive families in the first place. I don't agree with the secrecy of the Family Courts though, regardless of any claims to be "protecting children's identities" or what have you.

a reply to: and14263

To even be a foster carer or a potential adopter, you have to satisfy a lot of criteria and be assessed by a lot of people. Whilst I am sure some bad apples exist, to try and make a "conspiracy" out of this as if it is an industrial scale child porno ring is laughable and just down right ludicrous.

And I'm not sure why he;d be called a "lefty so and so" - I don't think anyone has even mentioned "the left" on this thread at all.

Also, being a "conspiracy" website does not mean everything is a conspiracy. Although I do not believe ATS is a conspiracy website, but rather one that exists to expose the Truth - an entirely different concept.

To be fair to the OP - he makes no sensational claims about paedophile rings in his response to my request for more information about the video:

originally posted by: TechUnique
a reply to: berenike

The woman in the video talks of there being a massive coverup and 'gap in the law' regarding the following;
- Children are being stolen from parents for no legit reason.
- Members of authority are conspiring together to take these children unjustly.
- Nobody seems to be doing anything about it.



As for more background information on the video.. I found it on YouTube merely by stumbling upon it. Then I posted it here. What do I think about this? It's disgusting. Unfortunately it is just another sign of the times..
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I think you will find the adoption laws - even the temporary fostering laws and rules are very rigorous and robust. I know someone who had to go through hell to prove they were suitable to adopt a child. While it is not guaranteed that such children won't be abused, I do think the risk is low and the vast majority have better lives than they would have had with their actual parents. I appreciate it's an difficult area, but some people are just not good parents and fail their children, either through abuse, neglect or some other vice. The removal of children from parents is not something taken lightly.

Wile social services often get a bad press, the reality is that they operate in very difficult circumstances and have to make very difficult decisions.

With adoption, the main problem is finding suitable homes for those kids who are already broken by circumstance. My ex child-minder was an "emergency" foster carer and she had to deal with some very troubled children. Without people like her (and her husband) these troubled kids would end up in a worse place.

Regards

a reply to: paraphi

That's not to say there's no possibility of there being corrupt people in all the 'required' organisations, so that certain 'privileged' people could have access to children no questions asked.

What I mean is, what's to say there isn't a system within the system for disgusting things like this to occur?

All we have to do is look at the recent scandals coming to light and throughout history to know that this is not only plausible, but actually quite a reality, at least to a certain extent.

We know that there has been/are people in positions of power who abuse that power. People who are there to help and protect us such as police officers, judges and politicians.

I don't think it's too far a stretch to suggest a link in my opinion but evidently a lot of people STRONGLY disagree with me.

a reply to: paraphi

Without a doubt...

I'm not saying that the whole system is corrupt...

Just that it is corruptible...
Like any authority institution.

The old axiom "in all walks of life" can also be put forward to come to the realisation that all systems have certain areas that are a recipe for disaster.

It just so happens that this institutional area is far more dangerous than police brutality or MP expenses for example...

We are talking about the potential for child abuse, so it's only right that it should be given at least as much coverage, or more than...




It's also fair to say that not all people who know about or facilitate child abuse, actually participate in the act...

Which then leaves the door wide open for the case of even the most rigorous background checks being futile...
In the sense that the adopter or the carer or the judge is merely an accessory who would have no previous or even give off suspicion.


eg like giving Savile keys & access to areas where he could fulfil his heinous desires...

We are not just meant to be looking at the perps...
But also the apathetic.


In my opinion!

originally posted by: paraphi
Wile social services often get a bad press, the reality is that they operate in very difficult circumstances and have to make very difficult decisions.

Exactly - they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Take the kid away and get pillared for it - keep the kid with the parents and if something should happen (Baby P just to name one of many) they get dragged over the coals...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Much of what Saville et al did was way back in the 60's and 70's when there simply were not the safeguards, checks and other things we take for granted these days. For example, wandering around a maternity ward in the 60's and 70's would have been a simple feat even for the most lowly of paedophiles - these days, it's all security doors, CCTV and the like - just getting in after having some lunch to see my kids was a 10 minute ordeal.

In essence, it was just easy for them to abuse their position of power to gain access - people were not even aware people did such things back then either, at least not the level we are aware of those horrors.

These days it is totally different - it doesn't matter how famous you are, you're never going to get the access Saville and chums got 40 years ago.

a reply to: stumason

No, Savile still had access to Stoke Mandeville Hospital upto at least 2010, and possibly after, because my mum who broke her back was a patient there and met the guy when he did his rounds.



What started in the 70s didn't end in the 70s.



Secondly it was an example to highlight the access he was given and not Savile himself...
People who do not participate but can facilitate abuse have no reason to be suspected or be denied by background checks.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I actually said "most", not all and indeed the report does confirm the bulk of his offending was carried out between 1966 and 1976. The report does state that his offences, while ranging up to 2009 generally, were confined to between 1965 and 1988 for Stoke Mandeville.

But you're right about it not being confined to him - another doctor was actually found guilty a few days ago for raping and abuses girls there at the same time as Saville

a reply to: TechUnique
Hmm, an OP consisting of a youtube vid and 32 words, in fact 170 characters including the spaces, wow, 30 less and this could've just been a tweet on twitter.
Totally lazy in my opinon, and such a pity, it seems to be getting more common on ATS.
I shall leave you to your minimal t̶h̶r̶e̶a̶d̶ tweet. I expect more effort in a discussion forum, but hey I'm weird.

Think this is bad.....perhaps a little digging into incest would be helpful in understanding the problem is not just one of powerful elites grabbing and abusing kids.....
Humanity is and has been, beset with child abuses since time began....
Incestuous behavior is not a new thing, however egregious it may be.....apparently far far more widespread than anyone will yet admit ito the public.....
Its a common problem not an uncommon one.....wake the hell up!

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: TechUnique
Hmm, an OP consisting of a youtube vid and 32 words, in fact 170 characters including the spaces, wow, 30 less and this could've just been a tweet on twitter.
Totally lazy in my opinon, and such a pity, it seems to be getting more common on ATS.
I shall leave you to your minimal t̶h̶r̶e̶a̶d̶ tweet. I expect more effort in a discussion forum, but hey I'm weird.

You have my most sincerest of apologies grainofsand. I promise from now on I will strive to cater to your needs and will put the enjoyment of your reading above all else. I want to thank you for your consideration and thoughtful post, it has contributed greatly to the discussion.

a reply to: stumason

I am a social worker and currently working within a children's home. I can tell you that each young person is safer and better looked after within the home than their families. The young people do not want to return home but love their families none the less. I won't go into detail at some of the horror stories these young people have endured at the hands of their 'families'.

Whilst at uni we were told during training that removal of children is always, always the last option after every chance with supporting the family has been exhausted. Not solely because of the trauma but (no surprise) due to the COST to the gov to actually proceed in court. I have seen this in action and I have worked with families who should not have been allowed to keep their children and have been totally frustrated at the difficulty and red tape of actually getting those children to a place of safety. Social workers do not have the right to remove children permanently, that is a decision for the courts once all the relevant evidence is made available. Are there bad judges? Of course. All I am saying is that it is not so cut and dried and removing children is a serious and difficult procedure ( rightly so).

My take is somewhat different having worked in the field. However, I recognise there is good and bad in every profession. Just how children can disappear through a legal system though is a mystery to me as we have to duplicate every piece of paper work over and over as we are held accountable.

Just my initial thoughts on the topic but havent had time to read all pages on the thread at this time.

Just to add to Stumason, I was acknowledging your take on the issue and agreeing with you that we can be damned if we do and damned if we don't. I just sort of went off a bit .....

a reply to: TechUnique

The emotion of the speaker in the first video says it all for me. Thank god there are people like her confronting this injustice.

Each and every one of us should be ashamed to live in a society that turns a blind eye to this pure evil. We all need to go deep inside of ourselves and imagine going through what these babies and children (and their parents) go through. Visualise it! It's hard to do, but it's nothing compared to their suffering.

We should all be kicking and screaming until it comes to a screeching halt. What the hell is wrong with us?

soulwaxer

Here you go:

From the claims of the youtube uploader:

Published on Oct 25, 2014
Sabine K McNeill, the indefatigable campaigner, and group of a couple of dozen affected family members visit the European Parliament to expose the malfeasance and criminality of the British Government. Child Stealing By The State or Forced Adoptions are crime's against Humanity. Genocide is being carried out today in Britain. Please support Sabine and the thousands if not millions of others who are trying to expose this. If we lose this generation of children we as a country and as a race are finished. This is a war against all humanity.

...couple of seconds searching from Stumasons pointer regarding Sabine K McNeil's name and we have more information about the OP than the OP...lol

*Edit*
And the EU has exposed nothing as the OP title claims. Sabine K McNeil had a chance to make her claims in front of a committee at the EU. NLBS sensationalism or what?!

a reply to: grainofsand

Thanks for the info, the attitude was a tad unnecessary though.

As far as I'm aware you are supposed to post the thread title the same as the Video/Article if that is the main theme of the thread. That is what I did. Please step off your high horse already? It's getting incredibly boring and rather tiresome mate.

Seems like you are obsessed with scoring points.

a reply to: TechUnique
These secret family courts are in place to keep feeding the Peadophiles in charge with kids to fiddle with in my opinion, why the secrecy? It only leads me to conclude rightly or wrongly that the secrecy is in place to cover up the supply of children for the it seems industrial scale abuse that takes place up and down the UK as evidenced by recent scandals in the UK including: Rotherham, Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter, Max Clifford, Stuart Hall, Dave Lee Travis, Leon Brittan (accused), Prince Andrew(accused), Jeffrey Epstien, Cyril Smith MP Liberal Democrats, Jonahan King, paediatrician Michael Salmon (Stoke Mandeville Hospital UK), Ex Dragons Den (BBC UK) star Doug Richard (arrested currently on bail), Ian Watkins (Lost Prophets), Ex-BBC DJ Michael Souter, Ray Teret DJ, Former BBC DJ Chris Denning, Fred Talbot TV Presenter former teacher (on trial), Christopher "Chris" Langham (famous for BBC Fours The Thick of it) Sir Peter Hayman of "unnatural sexual proclivities" fame and then there's this lot : This Lot to chew over there's more I just cant be bothered and took up too much space already. But Great post BTW keep up the good work.