Puma Punku & Ancient Technology From Over 12,000 Years Ago

a reply to: Harte

Meh.
Close enough.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Sorry OP stone masons can do much of what you have shown.

Also much of your OP is just incorrect.

Yes it is debunking the alien myths but also much of what you claim.
Oh and why to go attempting to shout down the stone mason.

Dude you so funny, I am not saying it was aliens at all.

Attempt debunk ancient aliens if you like but I am not saying its gotta be aliens, look at what I said in my OP again.
I think the debunk video has some valid points but isnt made in a very convincing manner to explain how Puma Punku was made in the least bit. Dont get me wrong its a good BS video and it doesnt explain how the massive Puma Punku was built to such precision all those thousands of years ago. Its kinda just spouting nonsense about stone work which is unbelievable to anyone who would ever try and reproduce Puma Punku with non advanced cave man tools.

Given the established fact that the site dates no earlier than 600 AD, I don't see where you're getting this "cave-man" crap, unless you need a strawman.

It is known that not only did the Tiwanaku culture (Pumapunku is part of the Tiwanaku complex) have a good metallurgical tradition, but several other earlier tribes are known to as well, dating well back into the BCE.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

ever thought that the opening in the 2nd picture was made that way on purpose, maybe the back end is suppose to be wider than the the front, you know like the opening of a cave or door, the entrance is narrow but when you go inside it is much more open. just a thought

the top block i cant say much about, it could have been off, effects of time, or maybe made that way on purpose.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Harte

ever thought that the opening in the 2nd picture was made that way on purpose, maybe the back end is suppose to be wider than the the front, you know like the opening of a cave or door, the entrance is narrow but when you go inside it is much more open. just a thought

the top block i cant say much about, it could have been off, effects of time, or maybe made that way on purpose.

Okay, sure.

But the word "precision" was used.

This means that, if these are "precisely" shaped, then we must somehow know for a fact that they are intentionally off square, an obvious impossibility.

Harte

a reply to: hounddoghowlie
So, Childress was using a square to show that the blocks were not very precise on purpose?
That really doesn't seem to have been his point.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I think he's full of crap! All these people who say it can't be done
And him sying he did it? My lilly white perfumed ass.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



I think he's full of crap! All these people who say it can't be done

And him sying he did it? My lilly white perfumed ass.

I know right! What a boast!

originally posted by: infinityorder
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

So then, just out of curiosity, how does one cut diorite without diamond tipped saws and or tech?

As was said, it's not diorite, though it wouldn't make any difference at all if it were.

See, humans have been carving and polishing diorite into whatever shapes they wanted for well over 8,000 years.

The Egyptians considered diorite to be an ideal stone for use when carving luxury items like fancy vases and bowls because it's hardness allows it to be very finely polished.

The fact is, it is known that the andesite was quarried with pounding stones, and at least roughed out the same way. Pounders leave tell-tale marks which have been observed all over these stones.

Additionally, most stones exhibit drag-marks, gouging, which indicates to some extent how they were moved there.

Harte

a reply to: Phage

i didn't say that, childers said one thing i said another.
now if he would have used a bevel square, he could have prove a much better point.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie
What point would that be?
What do you think it would have shown?

a reply to: Phage

look to the bottom of the opening. see the corner angle. if all four sides are that way,cut to a certain angle. it could
show that some one made all four the same way. ie cut to precision or as close as possible.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
So here are a few videos about Puma Punku which is amazing to look at. I wonder how they were able to create such precise structures. What kinds of technology might they have been using in order to get such precision in thier stone work?

Yes, "such precision" as David Hatcher Childress showed with a simple square:

In other words, what precision?

Harte

1 cm out over 18 cm. Seems fairly precise to me.....

Maybe that was just the flex on the rubber mold they used to cast the stone after they softened it into a concrete and cast that shape.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

look to the bottom of the opening. see the corner angle. if all four sides are that way,cut to a certain angle. it could show that some one made all four the same way. ie cut to precision or as close as possible.

If they were cut that way it would be interesting but still not an indication of any extraordinary technology.
Too bad Childress didn't think of it though.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Phage

look to the bottom of the opening. see the corner angle. if all four sides are that way,cut to a certain angle. it could
show that some one made all four the same way. ie cut to precision or as close as possible.

Two sticks and a piece of thread offers tighter tolerances than 1 cm on a block such as that.

Ironically the pitch on that inside cut looks like someone not used to the balance of a power saw trying to cut vertically.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Yes, but puma punku is evidence of intellectual prowess not possessed by the current indigenous populations of bolivia. Modern tribes possess intrinsic IQs more along the curve of the Oceana "tribes": adamanese, sentinelese, aboriginal terra australians.
The builders were clearly supplanted by a post-clovis population whose descendants lack any vestige of their predecessors architectural acumen. Whether by chill, kill, or ill they are long extinct...and possibly pre-clovis though i tend more towards them being contemporaneous with the olmecs at the youngest...

-christosterone

originally posted by: Christosterone
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Yes, but puma punku is evidence of intellectual prowess not possessed by the current indigenous populations of bolivia. Modern tribes possess intrinsic IQs more along the curve of the Oceana "tribes": adamanese, sentinelese, aboriginal terra australians.
The builders were clearly supplanted by a post-clovis population whose descendants lack any vestige of their predecessors architectural acumen.

Well, there's no doubt they were post-Clovis anyway, given (again) that the site post-dates Clovis by over 10,000 years!

Harte

Ancient Aliens tv series have a lot of BS but have also a lot of very interesting stuff.

Puma Punku is one great example that the history we've been told is a BIG lie. All these monuments dating from thousands of years ago don't match the current 'mainstream' history timeline.
You don't need to have a genius IQ to see there's a LOT of things we don't know and a LOT of things that's been hidden from us.
You can't and shouldn't believe everything posted in internet forums like this or tv series like the AA but they provide huge information and knowledge that most people in this world don't have/want access to.

People from ancient times had knowledge that 'we' only discovered/got a couple of centuries ago. If there was no aliens on earth back then, there was a global advanced civilization or something like that.

Puma Punku stones were not made with rudimentary tools, you just need to look at them to see people couldn't/can´t make them without technology.

The problem is that most people in this world accept history as we've been told, don't stop to think just for a moment, just care about money and the future and they say you are crazy to doubt anything and point the finger at you if you think different.

It will be hard to know the 'truth', even after all we know from science most people still believe that there is a God that created the world. Ancient Aliens theory is much more believable than the lies the church tells with the bible but most people will make fun of AA and worship a supposed God that is everywhere.

originally posted by: glass87onion
Ancient Aliens tv series have a lot of BS but have also a lot of very interesting stuff.



Puma Punku is one great example that the history we've been told is a BIG lie. All these monuments dating from thousands of years ago don't match the current 'mainstream' history timeline.

You don't need to have a genius IQ to see there's a LOT of things we don't know and a LOT of things that's been hidden from us.

You can't and shouldn't believe everything posted in internet forums like this or tv series like the AA but they provide huge information and knowledge that most people in this world don't have/want access to.



People from ancient times had knowledge that 'we' only discovered/got a couple of centuries ago. If there was no aliens on earth back then, there was a global advanced civilization or something like that.



Puma Punku stones were not made with rudimentary tools, you just need to look at them to see people couldn't/can´t make them without technology.



The problem is that most people in this world accept history as we've been told, don't stop to think just for a moment, just care about money and the future and they say you are crazy to doubt anything and point the finger at you if you think different.



It will be hard to know the 'truth', even after all we know from science most people still believe that there is a God that created the world. Ancient Aliens theory is much more believable than the lies the church tells with the bible but most people will make fun of AA and worship a supposed God that is everywhere.

I would love to see someone try to reproduce Puma Punku with primitive tools, until they do that I have to call BS on the whole primitive tool thing. If we cant do it with primitive tools they couldnt do it with primitive tools in my opinion.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Is it as good as all this done in the medieval ages?.





Stone masons tools have not changed much you know and I think stone masons would be able to do as well.
So lets look at the facts that you have not been truthful about the age of the place and when a person who is knowledgeable about stone masonry added his thoughts you shouted him down.....

originally posted by: boymonkey74
So lets look at the facts that you have not been truthful about the age of the place...

I think you'll find that's the standard fare of the chronically astonished when it comes to this particular site. Since the facts don't fit their fantasy, the facts are ignored or denied.

originally posted by: boymonkey74... and when a person who is knowledgeable about stone masonry added his thoughts you shouted him down.....

God knows, you can't have someone that knows WTF he's talking about blowing it for them, right?

Harte