Puma Punku & Ancient Technology From Over 12,000 Years Ago

So here are a few videos about Puma Punku which is amazing to look at. I wonder how they were able to create such precise structures. What kinds of technology might they have been using in order to get such precision in thier stone work? I wonder if its evidence of an ancient advanced civilization.

Nestled in the remains of the ancient city of Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, is the megalithic ruins site called Puma Punku. Archeologists believe the site to be the cradle of civilization in South America–predating the Myans. Evidence found in this region of Boliva suggests the area was a flourishing center for pre-columbian culture and commerce as early as 600 A.D. However, recent discoveries of monolithic structures 15-20 meters under the surface of nearby Lake Titicaca, off the coast of Puerto Acosta, establish that this civilization may date back as much as 12,000 earlier. This calculation comes from archeologist Hugo Boero Rojo, who calculated the depth of the structures found means that this area of Lake Titicaca was above water level at some time in the past. Sedimentry evidence places that time at between 11,700 and 10,800 B.C. This would make Tiahuanaco the oldest civilization known to man.
Puma Punku is a large temple complex on the edge of Tiahuanaco. Inca oral and written traditions tell of the site being the location where the father god, Viracocha (god of action, shaper of many worlds and destroyer of many worlds) created Earth and humans. Their legends explain that Viracocha created humans from the earth on a great rock. He sectioned the rock and sent two giant servants to name the tribes of the world. The pinnacle of the Puma Punku site is the "Gateway of the Sun" that depicts Viracocha coming through a type of star gate. The carving is created from a single 12-ton stone. Scattered about the site are many monolithic stones that are precisely cut and routed in multiple levels with perfect angles and straight lines. Many of the blocks are cut in perfect interlocking shapes–a feat far beyond a primitive civilization that used stone and bronze hand tools. The only explanation for this precision work is the use of machine tools similar to the diamond-tipped quarry saws, masonary drills and CNC routers used today and powered by electricity or internal combustion engines. No archeologist or scientist can offer any other explanation for the amazing existence of Puma Punku's stone work. The stories of Viracocha and his giant servants must have been primitive interpretations of visitation by highly intelligent aliens that posessed the technology to make the structures present at Puma Punku. The stories of Viracocha's creation of mankind, and then destroying it with a great flood is consistent with the ancient Sumerian texts account of the Annunaki and even the Judeo-Christian Bible's Old Testament creation stories and the great flood. How could all of these disparate civilzations develop the same creation and destruction by flood stories unless they were independent accounts of real events that were documented by humans under the direction of ancient aliens who brought the technology for machines, language and genetic invention.
www.theancientaliens.com...#!puma-punku/cs2i

I know for a fact I've told you before of the many years I spent doing very similar stonework (albeit on a much smaller scale), and about how I've even done similar "perfect" lines, grooves, planes, etc. using only 'primitive' tools; no diamond tipped implements, no CNC, no lasers... So before you even posted it, I've provided you with first-hand, verifiable, repeatable evidence that the entire premise of your thread is based on ignorance and falsehoods.....And anyone else who's spent any considerable amount of time working stone will tell you the same. Yet you ignore it altogether.

What exactly is your agenda here, as it's clearly not learning about the past?

Edit: For the record, Puma Punku is neither 12,000 years old nor the "oldest civilisation known to man". Fringe archaeologists who make their living selling outlandish books are not a reliable source of information.

And while it doesn't diminish the skill of the accomplished artists who created the place, Puma Punky looked nothing like it does today before we decided to "restore" it. See Slayer's excellent thread here for a better idea of how it truly looked....

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
I know for a fact I've told you before of the many years I spent doing very similar stonework (albeit on a much smaller scale), and about how I've even done similar "perfect" lines, grooves, planes, etc. using only 'primitive' tools; no diamond tipped implements, no CNC, no lasers... So before you even posted it, I've provided you with first-hand, verifiable, repeatable evidence that the entire premise of your thread is based on ignorance and falsehoods.....And anyone else who's spent any considerable amount of time working stone will tell you the same. Yet you ignore it altogether.



What exactly is your agenda here, as it's clearly not learning about the past?

I reccomend you look at your own post then try looking in the mirror at what your saying, and applying your own post on yourself as you have made an odd boast of being able to make your own Puma Punku.

You can reproduce Puma Punku with primitive tools lolz?
You dont know how really odd that sounds, I would like to see some evidence of this maricle Puma Punku you are able to create lol.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
I know for a fact I've told you before of the many years I spent doing very similar stonework (albeit on a much smaller scale), and about how I've even done similar "perfect" lines, grooves, planes, etc. using only 'primitive' tools; no diamond tipped implements, no CNC, no lasers... So before you even posted it, I've provided you with first-hand, verifiable, repeatable evidence that the entire premise of your thread is based on ignorance and falsehoods.....And anyone else who's spent any considerable amount of time working stone will tell you the same. Yet you ignore it altogether.

What exactly is your agenda here, as it's clearly not learning about the past?

Let me go out on a limb and say one avatar professing the skills to duplicate work created by our ancestors should likely be taken with a grain of salt, unless of course, you can provide the Google earth coordinates for us to admire from a distance.

OP: Why couldn't it have been humans or an offshoot of us some 10's of thousands of years? Why default to ancient aliens? I think it's more plausible that we had a certain knowledge that was lost, or at least some of it.

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

I know for a fact I've told you before of the many years I spent doing very similar stonework (albeit on a much smaller scale), and about how I've even done similar "perfect" lines, grooves, planes, etc. using only 'primitive' tools; no diamond tipped implements, no CNC, no lasers... So before you even posted it, I've provided you with first-hand, verifiable, repeatable evidence that the entire premise of your thread is based on ignorance and falsehoods.....And anyone else who's spent any considerable amount of time working stone will tell you the same. Yet you ignore it altogether.



What exactly is your agenda here, as it's clearly not learning about the past?

Let me go out on a limb and say one avatar professing the skills to duplicate work created by our ancestors should likely be taken with a grain of salt, unless of course, you can provide the Google earth coordinates for us to admire from a distance.

OP: Why couldn't it have been humans or an offshoot of us some 10's of thousands of years? Why default to ancient aliens? I think it's more plausible that we had a certain knowledge that was lost, or at least some of it.

I think it could have been humans, I dont see where I specifically said anything about aliens doing it. I didnt make the videos which may speculate to various reasons for the creation of Puma Punku.

But yeah it could have been humans, who knows what the ancients were able to accomplish, look at what we can do today.

For the record, I've never claimed to have done anything on the same scale as any ancient monument, so don't put words in my mouth. I said I've done similar work and made the same type of "impossible" cuts and what not, on a smaller scale. Obviously no one person could recreate something of such magnitude. It would take hundreds (if not more) of artisans working for years, and in some cases generations to duplicate such works using the same methods as our ancestors did. But that's simply due to scale. The quality and precision of the work could easily be duplicated by anyone willing to put in some time and effort.

And please, don't just take my word on it. You're on a computer, so why don't you contact some professional masons and stone workers and see what they have to say on the matter?

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
For the record, I've never claimed to have done anything on the same scale as any ancient monument, so don't put words in my mouth. I said I've done similar work and made the same type of "impossible" cuts and what not, on a smaller scale. Obviously no one person could recreate something of such magnitude. It would take hundreds (if not more) of artisans working for years, and in some cases generations to duplicate such works using the same methods as our ancestors did. But that's simply due to scale. The quality and precision of the work could easily be duplicated by anyone willing to put in some time and effort.



And please, don't just take my word on it. You're on a computer, so why don't you contact some professional masons and stone workers and see what they have to say on the matter?

Where is this Puma Punku evidence you were boasting about a few moments ago? Post some of your work if you can.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

I know for a fact I've told you before of the many years I spent doing very similar stonework (albeit on a much smaller scale), and about how I've even done similar "perfect" lines, grooves, planes, etc. using only 'primitive' tools; no diamond tipped implements, no CNC, no lasers... So before you even posted it, I've provided you with first-hand, verifiable, repeatable evidence that the entire premise of your thread is based on ignorance and falsehoods.....And anyone else who's spent any considerable amount of time working stone will tell you the same. Yet you ignore it altogether.



What exactly is your agenda here, as it's clearly not learning about the past?

Let me go out on a limb and say one avatar professing the skills to duplicate work created by our ancestors should likely be taken with a grain of salt, unless of course, you can provide the Google earth coordinates for us to admire from a distance.

OP: Why couldn't it have been humans or an offshoot of us some 10's of thousands of years? Why default to ancient aliens? I think it's more plausible that we had a certain knowledge that was lost, or at least some of it.

But yeah it could have been humans, who knows what the ancients were able to accomplish, look at what we can do today.

Fair enouh, the first vid you linked leans in that direction. Puma Punku holds some amazing secrets about our past any way you look at it. Even the irrigation system close by is enough to make you go hmmm but would also give credence to a man made origin. Seeing how if an alien were to come here would certainly have no need for water irrigation or the desire to play with giant, heavy Lego blocks. I mean it's not like we didn't have metal and various alloys here on this rock back than, so why rock?

If I were an alien and I wanted to showcase my artistic and scientific knowledge, I'd build something out of an exotic and indestructible metal alloy not currently known to mankind. That way I can watch as the generations argue and debate it's origin. That would be more fun.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance


And please, don't just take my word on it. You're on a computer, so why don't you contact some professional masons and stone workers and see what they have to say on the matter?

Because I work with them everyday.

And not to stereotype by they are generally the least likely to know much of anything in regards to history let alone ancient history. If they did, they'd likely not be blue collar.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

But it is so much more fun to go with ancient aliens!!

In my infant days of my tin foil hat days I was all for the AAs, but the lost knowledge idea is just a little more down to earth

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Rosinitiate

But it is so much more fun to go with ancient aliens!!

In my infant days of my tin foil hat days I was all for the AAs, but the lost knowledge idea is just a little more down to earth

So was I.

ATS is filled with some of the most assinine bull# this side of the Milky Way but also harbors some of the brightest minds. Stay here long and at least some things begin to get clearer. Of course I'm not a full on skeptic as there are reall truths and mysteries not known or understood by we layman. There is some genuine woo woo out there but ET is the least likely.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Rosinitiate



But it is so much more fun to go with ancient aliens!!



In my infant days of my tin foil hat days I was all for the AAs, but the lost knowledge idea is just a little more down to earth

I see no reason why humand couldnt have done such things, of course very advanced humans but still humans.

But hey could have been some alien involvement as well I dunno, interesting to think about.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Rosinitiate



But it is so much more fun to go with ancient aliens!!



In my infant days of my tin foil hat days I was all for the AAs, but the lost knowledge idea is just a little more down to earth

I see no reason why humand couldnt have done such things, of course very advanced humans but still humans.

But hey could have been some alien involvement as well I dunno, interesting to think about.

Cui bono?

As above, so below. Everything in balance.

What happened to the dude who was boasting of his own homemade smaller version of Puma Punku made with primitive tools? I asked him for evidence and he dissapeared like it was skeptic kryptonite or something lolz. I would really like to see what he did and how it would relate to Puma Punku at all.

Sorry OP stone masons can do much of what you have shown.
Also much of your OP is just incorrect.



Yes it is debunking the alien myths but also much of what you claim.

Oh and why to go attempting to shout down the stone mason.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Sorry OP stone masons can do much of what you have shown.

Also much of your OP is just incorrect.

Yes it is debunking the alien myths but also much of what you claim.
Oh and why to go attempting to shout down the stone mason.

Dude you so funny, I am not saying it was aliens at all.

Attempt debunk ancient aliens if you like but I am not saying its gotta be aliens, look at what I said in my OP again.
I think the debunk video has some valid points but isnt made in a very convincing manner to explain how Puma Punku was made in the least bit. Dont get me wrong its a good BS video and it doesnt explain how the massive Puma Punku was built to such precision all those thousands of years ago. Its kinda just spouting nonsense about stone work which is unbelievable to anyone who would ever try and reproduce Puma Punku with non advanced cave man tools.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

You obviously didn't watch the video.
Although it is debunking aliens it debunks most of your claims also.
Like the precision you claim and the way they cut the stones....
Yeah clever folk but no cleverer than the Egyptians who did it as well thousands of year before.
It is now dated at 300 500 AD.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



You obviously didn't watch the video.

Although it is debunking aliens it debunks most of your claims also.

Like the precision you claim and the way they cut the stones....

Yeah clever folk but no cleverer than the Egyptians who did it as well thousands of year before.

It is now dated at 300 500 AD.

I watched it, and I have to say BS because I dont see how it was possible without some kind of technology when I look at the stone work. I would love to see some evidence that this work can be reproduced with primitive tools.

Lets see some to scale evidence of it reproduced with primitive tools then I would think ok thats possible.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Just look at any other man made (older stones) like I said they are not perfect and also in the video it shows evidence of what tools they used and it shows they are not as perfect as you would lead us believe.
Anyhow I'm out because at the end of the day you have posted many mistakes and even when shown them refuse to acknowledge them....
Deny ignorance indeed eh?.

Oh and if you looked you would find much evidence of amazing stone masonry with primitive tools (BTW most of these tools still have not changed much).

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Watched it did you? lies...how can you watch a 19 min video in 9 mins?.
Fibber.
Anyhow Iam out.
Why should I believe a fibber?.