"Most People Getting Measles Are Adults." Yep, 60%. Are we barking up the wrong tree?

Wow, though, new_here, If we are barking up the wrong tree, most definitely it needs to be identified, and actions taken to arrest it. I'm glad you brought this to our attention. It will get people thinking.... it has me.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
Wow, though, new_here, If we are barking up the wrong tree, most definitely it needs to be identified, and actions taken to arrest it. I'm glad you brought this to our attention. It will get people thinking.... it has me.

I agree, ladyinwaiting. If the vaccine 'wears off' in adulthood that information needs to be forthcoming, because it is a much more serious situation to contract measles as an adult.

In an article written in April 2014, an outbreak in 2011 was traced to a 22-year-old fully vaccinated girl. She transmitted it to 4 other people, two of which were... fully vaccinated! Here is a snippet and a link:

Her blood also contained a potent arsenal of IgG antibodies, but a closer look revealed that none of these IgG antibodies were actually capable of neutralizing the measles virus. It seemed that her vaccine-given immunity had waned.

Although public health officials have assumed that measles immunity lasts forever, the case of Measles Mary highlights the reality that “the actual duration (of immunity) following vaccination is unclear,” says Jennifer Rosen, who led the investigation as director of epidemiology and surveillance at the New York City Bureau of Immunization.

Measles Outbreak Traced To Fully Vaccinated Person

Emphasis mine, in the quoted text, to be sure everyone is clear that her vaccine-given immunity 'wore off' ...and the chic was only 22! To be clear, this is not a case of 'vaccine failure' where it didn't take. It clearly states she had the antibodies in her system. They just lost their luster.

The only other explanation is that measles mutated. I don't even want to go there...

originally posted by: Ektar
a reply to: new_here

Do you know the time line from when this new occurance of
measles started in comparison to the thousands of illegal allowed into
the country at least last year & before.

I know many came here with medical issues & were allowed to be
placed all over the country before there medical issues were being
treated or resolved.
Just wondering if they contributed to the ongoing problem.

Cheers
Ektar

Ektar, I do not remember just when the huge influx and distribution of children took place last year, but seems like it was right about the time school was starting back in September? At least that is when it hit the news, I believe. Is it continuing? Likely. Are these children crossing the border carrying their immunization records? Um... No? (Probably the last thing they thought to 'pack' for the trip!)

originally posted by: Urantia1111

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: GetHyped
No personal attacks in this thread, please. Just answer the question: Why is there no focus on the susceptibility to measles in adulthood, since 60% of the cases are adults?

For the same reason they don't show emaciated starving African adults on tv commercials. Children are much more effective in the arena of psychological manipulation.

That is certainly an angle I'd not considered. Pull at the heart-strings. Good thinking, Urantia1111!

a reply to: randyvs

China has one of the highest immunization rates - over 99%. It is mandatory. Yet...

"707 measles outbreaks in the country recorded between 2009 and 2012, with a steep trend upwards in 2013: "The number of measles cases reported in the first 10 months of 2013 – 26,443 "

Source

That is a huge spike in cases of measles, considering over 99% of the 'herd' over there is fully immunized! What-the-hang?

a reply to: new_here

Tells me the damn vaccination doesn't even work!

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

Lol! You anti-vaxxers are really hyping up the denial now that you're (rightly) getting roasted in the media and public opinion is turning on you.

Talk about hype, that is exactly what is going on here. And you seem to buy the propaganda like a good little citizen.

Anyone getting 'roasted' in the cough...media...cough must be on the right track. They are paid to lie to us and sell us the propaganda force fed to them by their controllers. The 'public opinion' you speak of is what the 'public' is TOLD to have an opinion on by the same media.

Anyone that doesn't fall for the force fed crap, and actually has a mind of their own is labeled extremist, radical, conspiracist or whatever the catch phrase you are told by the media is at the time. Anti-vaxxers, how clever.

And you think you are being so smart and cool now, you are told you are part of the 'majority', using these catch phrases you are told to use. Like being in the cool crowd in high school. Pathetic.

Enjoy your delusional arrogance, and be sure to tune into the 'media' so you don't miss your next fabricated outrage.

ETA:sorry new here, didn't mean to go off topic, I agree there is much we are intentionally being misled about. Thank you for the informative thread, those are interesting numbers that really bring more questions than answers about the media frenzy over this.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: new_here

Tells me the damn vaccination doesn't even work!

You may be on to something. It seems that Merck is facing a lawsuit for faking efficacy data related to the Mumps part of the MMR. In the quote below, there were yet 39 cases of measles-- Seven of those had been fully vaccinated against the illness...

Seven individuals infected by the measles, who were fully vaccinated with the MMR vaccine, received the illness. Which means that even people who are fully vaccinated can carry the disease and spread it to others.

The manufacturer of the MMR vaccine, Merck , are currently being accused of falsifying efficacy studies and lying about effectiveness of mumps vaccine and are being taken to court.

Two former Merck virologists, Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, claim they witnessed first-hand the improper testing and falsification of data that was done to hide the fact that the vaccine has significantly declined in effectiveness.

Source

a reply to: stosh64

Thank you for the informative thread, those are interesting numbers that really bring more questions than answers about the media frenzy over this.

You're quite welcome. And I agree... more questions than answers!

Please let's keep the flame-throwing out of it.

Deal I'm feeling better now

I'm not sure what agents have changed in the MMR since these 3 were combined in the 70's but here's a little more info on the effectiveness:

''How safe is the MMR vaccine?
The drug company that makes the MMR vaccine publishes an extensive list of warnings, contraindications, and adverse reactions associated with this triple shot. These may be found in the vaccine package insert available from any doctor giving MMR, and in the Physician's Desk Reference (PDR) at the library.(8,9) The following afflictions affecting nearly every body system -- blood, lymphatic, digestive, cardiovascular, immune, nervous, respiratory, and sensory -- have been reported following receipt of the MMR shot: encephalitis, encephalopathy, neurological disorders, seizure disorders, convulsions, learning disabilities, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE), demyelination of the nerve sheaths, Guillain-Barre' syndrome (paralysis), muscle incoordination, deafness, panniculitis, vasculitis, optic neuritis (including partial or total blindness), retinitis, otitis media, bronchial spasms, fever, headache, joint pain, arthritis (acute and chronic), transverse myelitis, thrombocytopenia (blood clotting disorders and spontaneous bleeding), anaphylaxis (severe allergic reactions), lymphadenopathy, leukocytosis, pneumonitis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, erythema multiforme, urticaria, pancreatitis, parotitis, inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, meningitis, diabetes, autism, immune system disorders, and death (Figure 49).(10,11)

How effective is the MMR vaccine?
Prior to the introduction of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccines, thousands of cases of measles, mumps and rubella occurred every year. Today, these numbers are greatly reduced. However, unlike the natural diseases, the MMR vaccine does not confer permanent immunity. For example, measles epidemics regularly occur in vaccinated populations. According to the CDC, "measles transmission has been clearly documented among vaccinated persons. In some large outbreaks...over 95 percent of cases have a history of vaccination."(13) Outbreaks of mumps and rubella often occur in vaccinated people as well.(14) Evidently, immunity is short-lived. The Journal of the America Medical Association published data showing that antibody levels after rubella vaccinations fell to half their high point within four years.(15) The medical literature contains many examples of MMR vaccine failures. Thus, people who receive MMR may still be susceptible to the three diseases.

In a study conducted by scientists from the Direct Health 2000 clinic in Eltham, South London, England, half of all children vaccinated with MMR were found to have "zero or very low immunity" against measles and mumps. According to Dr. Sarah Dean, who oversaw the study, "This means there could be a lot of children who think they have got the umbrella protection" yet remain at risk. Dean believes that young children's immune systems cannot cope with more than one virus at a time.(16) Yet, a second dose of MMR was added to immunization schedules.

The British Medical Journal published a survey of doctor's and nurse's attitudes toward booster doses of MMR. Fifty-one percent of all U.K. doctors and nurses had reservations about or disagreed with the policy of giving an MMR booster shot, and 80 percent of all U.K. doctors would not "unequivocally recommend" the second dose to a wavering parent.

thinktwice.com...

Also, since so many big Pharma have been caught lying and cheating, how can we trust any of the reports and medical journals? I encourage those interested to read the info at link for the above. It's pretty interesting and takes a common sense approach to maintaining vaccination in a more responsible and sensible manner.

a reply to: StoutBroux

However, unlike the natural diseases, the MMR vaccine does not confer permanent immunity. For example, measles epidemics regularly occur in vaccinated populations. According to the CDC, "measles transmission has been clearly documented among vaccinated persons. In some large outbreaks...over 95 percent of cases have a history of vaccination."

Well that's disturbingly relevant to the topic - and certainly explains why China's near 100% vaccination rate allowed for an outbreak of over 100,000 cases of measles in 2014.

And this:

In a study conducted by scientists from the Direct Health 2000 clinic in Eltham, South London, England, half of all children vaccinated with MMR were found to have "zero or very low immunity" against measles and mumps.

Really troublesome. If the duration in efficacy of the shot proves to be a fail, then the shot really does just postpone catching measles later on. Persons 20-yrs or older have more complications than their school-age counterparts.

Thanks for the link.

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: randyvs

China has one of the highest immunization rates - over 99%. It is mandatory. Yet...

"707 measles outbreaks in the country recorded between 2009 and 2012, with a steep trend upwards in 2013: "The number of measles cases reported in the first 10 months of 2013 – 26,443 "

Source

That is a huge spike in cases of measles, considering over 99% of the 'herd' over there is fully immunized! What-the-hang?

It only took a moment to look this up. It seems that the figure of 99% herd being immunized is not correct. Seems there is a large amount of migrant worker influx in China of course families come as well.

What’s behind the outbreak? Some experts say China’s nearly 250 million migrant workers, who have moved in recent years from rural areas to jobs in urban centers, and whose families may have missed country-wide vaccination drives because of their nomadic lifestyle. “The incidence of measles is likely to rise, mostly in adults, because China has such a large mobile population and many have missed their vaccinations,” Cai Haodong, an expert in infectious diseases at Beijing Ditan Hospital, told the South China Morning Post.

China estimates its migrant workers will swell to 400 million in coming years, about one-third of the current population, but the government has done little to study the health of these workers. The United Nations Research Institute for Social Development recommends that China develop special health care programs, including vaccination drives, for these workers—until it does, measles outbreaks could keep increasing.
Interesting Article

a reply to: new_here

This interesting, my younger brother had measles when he was a child, after getting the vaccine, none of us siblings got it, I remember I was a teen 16 and the oldest my younger brother spend two days in the hospital under observation, this was back in the 70s.

I also grew up when polio was still a problem and I remember other children around me getting it, my siblings and I didn't got our polio vaccines until we were already over 10 and none of us got infected before that.


I seen a new very steady increase from big drug companies targeting older adults with boosters vaccines because they claim that childhood vaccines are losing their effectiveness.

Perhaps is going to be a new trend now, we are the most vaccinated country in the world, from birth to very soon senior years.

I am missing an entire panel of childhood vaccinations and I am not about to start getting them now.

I been reading that the increase of childhood diseases is due to the influx of south of the border immigrants and the blaming on parents that do not want to expose their children to vaccines.

a reply to: Grimpachi

That's an interesting theory. Still I wonder, how did it go from 700 cases between 2006 - 2009, and suddenly over 100,000 in just one year. Surely this is not the first year migrants have come on the scene?

Also, Germany is experiencing a rise in cases. Me wonders... what up?

a reply to: marg6043

Did you get the measles as a child? I did. I remember being in that room with the shades down to protect my eyesight. I remember the red welts and feeling awful, then feeling better (and bored because my Mom kept me in bed to make sure I was top shape.) A neighbor wanted to send her child over to be exposed, as many parents did in that era, but my Mom couldn't stand the thought of a child getting sick at our house, lol.

In any case, I am glad I have no lasting effects from it... well, except for lifetime immunity. Yay!

To me, it is disturbing to think that the vaccine so many kids got to protect them from measles, may have lost its effectiveness in adulthood. Meaning, they may have just delayed the inevitable, only to succumb to measles at an age when measles is much more dangerous than in the usual 6 - 10 age bracket most people used to get it.

a reply to: new_here


This is the progressive agenda of control......Take a hard look dear readers. Progressives put the rights of the masses over individual rights.



They use fear this is the real truth. Am I anti vaccination......No. Everyone is born with the same rights what you do with them is up to you. The constitution mirrors this thinking.

a reply to: new_here

As far as Germany goes or that area in general it has been known for some time vaccination rates have been dwindling. Vaccinations are not compulsory in Germany. In Germany, only 66 percent of schoolchildren get the vital double dose, according to a federal agency for disease control and prevention.

As for China they only started mandating vaccinations in 2005 had a great success but with 250 million or more migrant workers there is still a large portion that did not receive the vaccine and as they move into congested areas the disease has a ripe environment to spread.

Below shows outbreaks in China I do not know the current number for this year. Whatever source said they only had 600 to 700 cases in China from 2006 to 2009 must have left out some zeros.

There's something to be said about over sanitization and not allowing kids to go outside and eat dirt anymore...

a reply to: SubTruth

I understand what you are saying. I am not an anti-vaxxer either. Both of my children got their scheduled vaccinations. I AM thankful that they were not required to get SO MANY at such a young age, as is true now. I also hope and pray their immunity stands the test of time.

That said, I do cringe when pro-vaxxers say to anti-vaxxers things like, "You put my child at risk when you don't vaccinate your child." I cringe because there ARE known risks to vaccinations. So in essence, they are saying, "Put your child at risk for the benefit of my child."

That said, these people on both sides love their children. They are, every one of them, taking a stand for what they believe in their hearts is in the best interest of their children.

But the media stirs the pot and pulls at the heartstrings of parents with gusto.