Israeli Captain "Right to shoot 13 yr old Girl"

This is sick, they have a taped conversation between the Captain, a Watchtower and the Command Post, and the Captain in question (who not only killed a 13yr old girl) ordered his men to "Anything moving in the zone, even a three-year-old, needs to be killed"...

That is sick, and what makes it worse is that the Israeli Army has only filed minor charges against him!

The tape recording is of a three-way conversation between the army watchtower, the army post's operations room and the captain, who was a company commander.

The soldier in the watchtower radioed his colleagues after he saw Iman: "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward."

Operations room: "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower: "A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

A few minutes later, Iman is shot in the leg from one of the army posts.

The watchtower: "I think that one of the positions took her out."

The company commander then moves in as Iman lies wounded and helpless.

Captain R: "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

Guardian News Story



[edit on 15/12/04 by stumason]

Man, that's awful...

After 50 years of trying to create a place safe from the intolerance of others, the zionist Jews have did nothing less than recreating the same murderous, unhuman regime that the Nazis imposed on their ancestors.

This leads us to what Jesus said about forgiveness... that you have to forgive the ones that are persecuting you, or either you'll become just as evil as them. To let youself be corrupted by the hatred of others will only make you as bad as they are... the only choice is to forgive them for their sins, no matter how terrible are the things that they have done.

Originally posted by Echtelion
Man, that's awful...

After 50 years of trying to create a place safe from the intolerance of others, the zionist Jews have did nothing less than recreating the same murderous, unhuman regime that the Nazis imposed on their ancestors.

While I agree this event is terrible, I will point out that saying that "Zionist Jews" created this situation is to ignore the contributions of the Arab side in creating and perpetuating this conflict. Further, the comparison with Nazism is repugnant. The attrocities comitted by the Nazis were far more severe, and were based on race.

The officer charged here is not Jewish, but Druze.

Originally posted by Mycroft
While I agree this event is terrible, I will point out that saying that "Zionist Jews" created this situation is to ignore the contributions of the Arab side in creating and perpetuating this conflict. Further, the comparison with Nazism is repugnant. The attrocities comitted by the Nazis were far more severe, and were based on race.

It is historically relatively evident that the ultimate culprit for the palestine problem is the mismanagement of the jewish immigration situation by the united kingdom sixty years ago, who were unable to take clear decisions, and when the jews turned upon the UK, just left the region out of lack of sufficient care and responsibility.

This is how several extremist zionist organizations emerged, which are in turn responsible for the palestinian conflict, by the overwhelming advocacy of blind violence against the 'racially inferior' arabs. Just a few days ago, a prominent zionist MP qualified arabs as worms. This is still the source of the problem, jewish racial hatred against allegedly inferior races.

The comparison with nazi germany holds, provided you restrict the timescreen to the years 1933-1943. The oppression of jews is surprisingly very similar to the oppression by jews. The rhetoric is the same. Hitler also claimed security reasons for purging the jews : jews were prominently involved in the bolchevist movement, terrorists, and advocated genocide against germans. Hitler claimed to strike preemptively at them, before they come to destroy germany. Jews in the german region of influence were held in ghettoes, and treated like animals, just as palestinians are now held in ghettoes and are being treated like animals by the zionists.

What really remains debatable is if the genocide of jews under the nazis is similar to the genocide of palestinians now. Some argue now, because no systematic massive executions are taking place, some argue yes, by explaining that the systematic murder of palestinian intelligentsia, and cutting them off from economic develeopement possibilities results in thorough misery among them, which could also be qualified genocide. But as i said, this latter point is debatable. However, if one takes the destruction of lebanon into account, the clues for the comparison of the genocides become compelling.




[edit on 16-12-2004 by krotzkrotz]

Originally posted by stumason
Guardian News Story

1 - The Guardian is notoriously anti Jew.
2 - The 'news' article has been removed and is no longer up.
3 - Assuming this story is true (and that is assuming A LOT),
we aren't there and we don't know what is going on. In a war
children are often used to transport suicide bombs. Ask our
guys where were in Vietnam. It happens all the time. We don't
know what zone this is in. I find it odd that a 13 year old muslim
girl would mistakenly wander into a dead zone where there are no
other people, let alone no male relative to escort her.

This 'news' was fishy. It's gone now, so perhaps even the
anti-jewish Guardian has decided that it is too unrealistic for
people to buy into.







[edit on 12/16/2004 by FlyersFan]

Every one of those points above is correct...

And you must know something of Arab culture to deduce the girl's lack of escort...

In the 70's Cambodia was taken over by the Khmer Rouge which lead to Pol Pot murdering millions. Rem the movie "Killing Fields". FYI libs the avaerage age (yes AVERAGE) was 14 years old. Kids as young as 8-9 were executing millions. Perspective.

[edit on 16-12-2004 by DrHoracid]

Funny how the news article still seems to be up for me...

I dont buy the whole suicide bomber defence thing.
I mean in the radio transcript it says
"It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward."
Key word defensively
The transcript also reveals that the soldiers said the girl was headed, away from the army post and back into the refugee camp, when she was shot.

I'm sorry but when was the last time some one running away from you was a threat. In my experience they usually run toward you when they're trying to kill you.

As for the whole unescorted Muslim girl thing...
These things happen its not like the palestinians are living under sharia, I mean when was the last time you saw a palestinian in a burkha. There are secular palestinians you know.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

1 - The Guardian is notoriously anti Jew.

[edit on 12/16/2004 by FlyersFan]

I had never heard that before. Why do you say that? I mean, how is it anti Jew?

Absolutely disgusting. These guys killed a child that had already been shot and might've wandered into the area, or been sent their by the palestinian resistance? What the hell is wrong with them. I can understand wounding her, as terrible as it is they're in a war against an enemy that sends children after them, but once they came up on her? Are there at least some reports of her hiding something or any reason for this otherwise murder?

Originally posted by Nygdan
Absolutely disgusting. These guys killed a child that had already been shot and might've wandered into the area, or been sent their by the palestinian resistance? What the hell is wrong with them. I can understand wounding her, as terrible as it is they're in a war against an enemy that sends children after them, but once they came up on her? Are there at least some reports of her hiding something or any reason for this otherwise murder?

Not that this excuses anything, but she apparently had a schoolbag with her.
If you were fishing for rationalization, there is that.

Originally posted by quango
Not that this excuses anything, but she apparently had a schoolbag with her.
If you were fishing for rationalization, there is that.

To give info, she was 100 yards away and running further away from the soldiers. One soldier identified her as a scared 10 years old, running away.

She then got shot in her leg, and the captain ran towards the helpless child and emptied his clip -or close to that.

Blobber



[edit on 16-12-2004 by Blobber]

Originally posted by Blobber

Originally posted by quango
Not that this excuses anything, but she apparently had a schoolbag with her.
If you were fishing for rationalization, there is that.

To give info, she was 100 yards away and running further away from the soldiers. One soldier identified her as a scared 10 years old, running away.
She then got shot in her leg, and the captain ran towards the helpless child and emptied his clip -or close to that.

Believe me - I'm not justifying. Nygdan asked if there was any reason for this. There is clearly not.

Originally posted by curme

Originally posted by FlyersFan

1 - The Guardian is notoriously anti Jew.

[edit on 12/16/2004 by FlyersFan]

I had never heard that before. Why do you say that? I mean, how is it anti Jew?

I too would like to see some evidence to back that up.

I think the Guardian is sympathetic to the Palestinian�s cause but anti-Semitic? I think not.

You either for the Palestines or for the Jews no middlegound?

Nice how extremist Hamas and zionist Jews have hijacked the faith of their peoples.....

I am for any Jew or Palestine that could do the unthinkable and seemingly unattainable : bewcoming good neighbours on decent terms...

[edit on 17-12-2004 by Countermeasures]

That is absolutly sick, that just ruins my day. What kind of world are we living in here now, where will this all end.

Originally posted by Clandestine
I had never heard that before. Why do you say that?
I mean, how is it anti Jew?

like to see some evidence to back that up.

That's my opinion, and the opinion of others, based upon
what has been 'reported' (spun) in the paper. Upon reading
their articles through the years, you may come to a different
conclusion.

Originally posted by quango
If you were fishing for rationalization, there is that.

I'm not fishing for anything, I am curious as to why they'd shoot an unarmed wounded 12 year old girl. I'm not sure possession of a back pack would be enough. If they said that she was reaching for something, and he thought it was a trigger for bombs in the back pack, perhaps thats a different story.

Has there been any explanation as to why a 13 year old girl was running thru an israeli security zone? I'm sure that there are any number of explanations,but was one offered yet?

There is clearly not.

Do you deny that young children have been used in suicide attacks on israeli positions? Hell, they sent a mentally handicapped child after them a while ago. This girl could have been a suicide bomber. However, what, if anything, are they saying warranted it? They certainly need more, in all honesty, than her merely being in the zone. An adult I can sort of understand, at least if the long distance shot had killed them. But this is a kid running away from the zone. Do they offer any explanation?

Incidents like this, in all probability, will be on the increase once the security wall is finished. And undoubtedly the palestinian terrorists will continue to send children strapped with bombs against the israelis too.

The incident itself seems to be a couple of years old?

This from Oct of this year:

JERUSALEM (AP) - A preliminary report presented to Israel's army chief Friday said it could not be proven that a platoon commander repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl to make sure she was dead, a security official said.

ap.tbo.com...

The video of the shooting here:

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

From (dated Nov of this year):

www.libertyforum.org...

Here's some related links:

www.cbsnews.com...

www.abc.net.au...

Originally posted by Nygdan
I'm not fishing for anything, I am curious as to why they'd shoot an unarmed wounded 12 year old girl...

There are fascist retards everywhere, no gene pool is clean from it: there is no Ubermensch nor "the chosen".

Blobber


[edit on 17-12-2004 by Blobber]