The 3rd Anti-Christ THE ULTIMATE LOGIC BENDER

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

-Epicurus

The best analogy to God, which is used frequently in the Bible, is that we are his children. If you never allowed anything bad to ever happen to your children, did everything for them, never let them make a decision of their own, how good of a parent would you be? You'd be raising robots. If God wanted a population of robots he would have made them. He doesn't even want angels to be robots, as they have free will also.

That was my understanding of Christian Lore as well. Thanks for clarifying!

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JessicaRabbitTx
a reply to: ViciLaw

The major monotheistic religions can't wait for this beautiful, mysterious, amazing planet to end in fire and bloodshed. They pray for the day to come sooner rather than later. It's sickening.
I'm not afraid of an antichrist. I'm afraid of my beautiful home being destroyed by psychotic religious barbarians for an imaginary murderer who lives in the clouds.

You have it totally wrong, most Christians hope for heaven, a perfected existence where evil, sickness, pain and death do not exist and where consciousness and happiness is eternal.

This is not dependent upon the state of this world.

Yes, an end of this flawed world is mentioned, but that is just incidental, you need to read to the end of the book.

It all gets replaced with Universe version 2.0, which fixes some major bugs in version 1.

But anyone who doesn't believe in the Christian god won't get to take part in that paradise right? They'll be left behind to be destroyed with the world and then burn in hell for eternity.

I mean I'm no bible scholar. I could be wrong, but that's the general idea isn't it?
And if by chance you were born in a predominately Muslim country brought up as a Muslim, or in any of the other religions you'd burn with them. Right?

Am I mistaken in believing that the Bible implies that anyone who doesn't believe Jesus Christ to be to be the son of god will not experience the peace that comes after the destruction?

That is A LOT of people. I'm sorry but I just don't see how that is any more beautiful than the holocaust. In fact it looks much more evil from where I'm standing.

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originally posted by: southpaw87
For all of you who are blinded by science.

Science can explain how something work, but science cannot specifically identify the creator of something. example, Science can explain how an engine works, but the scientific process cannot identify the engineer of the engine.

And it doesn't pretend to. That's why I can respect science. Science isn't afraid to state that it doesn't have all the answers, which is just more realistic than thinking we know everything.

a reply to: ViciLaw

It means that after the events in the garden we began to live out the path that was chosen by adam and eve.

In a way yes it was part of a plan but what we turned down was much more fullfilling.

In a way no it was not the origional plan but became the plan after the fall due to our desire for knowledge and our actions in trying to duplicate the powers we lost. All of our technology is a very bad attempt at what we could have had and still can when the curse is broken.

a reply to: JessicaRabbitTx

Science is the religion of satan.

The knowledge that satan gave us is responsible for all the wars and genocide that is blamed on GOD.

Without that knowledge we would have powers that are currently myths to us.

originally posted by: JessicaRabbitTx

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JessicaRabbitTx
a reply to: ViciLaw

The major monotheistic religions can't wait for this beautiful, mysterious, amazing planet to end in fire and bloodshed. They pray for the day to come sooner rather than later. It's sickening.
I'm not afraid of an antichrist. I'm afraid of my beautiful home being destroyed by psychotic religious barbarians for an imaginary murderer who lives in the clouds.

You have it totally wrong, most Christians hope for heaven, a perfected existence where evil, sickness, pain and death do not exist and where consciousness and happiness is eternal.

This is not dependent upon the state of this world.

Yes, an end of this flawed world is mentioned, but that is just incidental, you need to read to the end of the book.

It all gets replaced with Universe version 2.0, which fixes some major bugs in version 1.

But anyone who doesn't believe in the Christian god won't get to take part in that paradise right? They'll be left behind to be destroyed with the world and then burn in hell for eternity.

I mean I'm no bible scholar. I could be wrong, but that's the general idea isn't it?
And if by chance you were born in a predominately Muslim country brought up as a Muslim, or in any of the other religions you'd burn with them. Right?

Am I mistaken in believing that the Bible implies that anyone who doesn't believe Jesus Christ to be to be the son of god will not experience the peace that comes after the destruction?

That is A LOT of people. I'm sorry but I just don't see how that is any more beautiful than the holocaust. In fact it looks much more evil from where I'm standing.

The idea of burning in hell for all eternity is not particularly Biblical. There is mention of a fire and of Gehenna (a rubbish tip outside Jerusalem where stuff, including animal carcases, was burned), but no mention of it being eternal.

The original idea was that if your name is not found in the book of life, you die the "second death" and cease to exist.

a reply to: JessicaRabbitTx

But anyone who doesn't believe in the Christian god won't get to take part in that paradise right? They'll be left behind to be destroyed with the world and then burn in hell for eternity

It is simply a matter of love and forgivness

If you get caught up in the hate then Jesus has no way into your heart. If you decide to LOVE then it will grow.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: JessicaRabbitTx

Science is the religion of satan.

The knowledge that satan gave us is responsible for all the wars and genocide that is blamed on GOD.

Without that knowledge we would have powers that are currently myths to us.

Science is the reason you're able to sit in a air-conditioned room, in a home designed by architects, drink water supplied to you by piping, enjoy lighting after dark without burning wax, and post on a computer to someone half a world away about your opinion on why science is the devil's tool.

Speaking of. If science is the religion of Satan, then wouldn't USING anything produced by science be considered sinful and a thumb in the eye of God? After all, if all science is satan, then the computer is just another of the devil's works. You'd better turn that off before God strikes you down.

a reply to: ViciLaw
The OP is not accurate

1. Angels have free will.

They can choose to agree with God (Good/obedient) or disagree with God (Evil/rebellious).

2. God did create evil by perfect design.

Isaiah 45:7
" I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

There is great purpose for the creation of Evil in God's perfect plan for recreating Himself (His way of thinking) through mankind. You do not understand that purpose and as such remain ignorant of why God's creation of evil is necessary in the overall purpose for life.

3. There is no 3rd anti-Christ.

"anti-Christ" (against the work of Jesus Christ) is an attitude all mankind is capable of; evil/sin is the transgression (disagreement through actions and thoughts) of God's law; if you are against the growth of righteousness (agreement with God's way of thinking/laws) in yourself; you are "anti-Christ" in attitude.

There is a "son of perdition" spoken of in scripture which many Christians falsely associate with a "3rd anti-Christ" involved in the fulfillment of Revelation prophecy.

God is spirit, God is peace. His choice to create free moral agents (free choice) among both men and angels automatically created evil (a way of thinking in opposition to the Creator) because entities can choose to reject God's way of thinking. He sacrificed himself (peace) in order to accomplish a great work of re-producing himself (His way of thinking) in mankind; to create billions of sons and daughters in the Elohim (God Family) of God.

In God's perfect timing all rebellion will be destroyed and peace again will reign throughout all life; the present age is not that time.

God Bless,

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

-Epicurus

God is able to prevent evil, but there would be no free choice.
God is willing to allow evil for a temporary period of time, in order to create a family of God beings (Elohim) with free choice by perfect design.

God is omnipotent, and benevolent by choosing to sacrifice himself (peace) in order for us to have eternal life (become Elohim).

God Bless,

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: JessicaRabbitTx

Science is the religion of satan.

The knowledge that satan gave us is responsible for all the wars and genocide that is blamed on GOD.

Without that knowledge we would have powers that are currently myths to us.

Yes, knowledge is evil. That pretty much sums up why I believe religion causes so many problems.

I won't argue against faith though. It's designed to be impossible to argue with as there is nothing logical about it. That's the genius of using religion to give any agenda more power.

originally posted by: ViciLaw

originally posted by: JessicaRabbitTx
a reply to: ViciLaw

The major monotheistic religions can't wait for this beautiful, mysterious, amazing planet to end in fire and bloodshed. They pray for the day to come sooner rather than later. It's sickening.
I'm not afraid of an antichrist. I'm afraid of my beautiful home being destroyed by psychotic religious barbarians for an imaginary murderer who lives in the clouds.

Man sometimes I wish I could destroy all religions and let science take the wheel

Can you imagine how much better the world would be

More cures, possibly personal space crafts,people live longer, no more wars over primitive beliefs

Pride is the cause of war, not religion.

Sometime the proud use religion as justification for war (my way is right, your way is wrong). But it is pride and desire to have power over others that leads to all conflict among mankind.

Science does not bring about humility (opposite of pride); it will not stop the nature of mankind (pride) or the cause of conflict; just alter the personal justification thereof.

God Bless,

a reply to: deadeyedick

Well we do agree on love being the most important thing. I just believe that I can love just fine without believing in any certain god.

originally posted by: ViciLaw
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Religion either contradicts itself or God is one sick and twisted individual who is making us play the game for his,her's or its amusement.

Yes it is religions nature to contradict it's edicts and yes religions God is one sick and twisted individual however that God is the one created in the religious mind of man who makes a God in their image because that is the nature of religion.

The fact is there is no "person" the antichrist.The creation of the Antichrist is extrapolated from the bible as religious doctrines of men and it is not in there.The apostle John is the only one to use that word (4 times) and it means "in place of "=anti..."the anointing"=christ.

John is pointing out that many deceived people had already perverted what Yahoshua and the disciples said and did.These are the same people Yahoshua warned the disciples of when he said......

"Do not be deceived.MANY will come in my name saying they are christ and deceive many".

There are only one "group of people” (the meaning of ekkelsia the word translated church") that come in Jesus name and say they are "christ"(anointed)..Christians.They are self deceived because that is the nature of religion.Many of them await “The evil Antichrist” yet the antichrists are them!Fortunately many of them are passively benign to the masses and are just the egg of chicken littles.It is the big roosters that stir up all the doom and gloom porn of the sky is falling.

The game of religion is a very dangerous game for those that push all in and are hedging their bets on their God.I am positive they will lose however no one can do anything about it.They cannot hear or see.To mash quotes together that surmise their state of being…A man convinced against his will is unconvinced still because a man only sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I am not ignorrant of the products of science.

Yes we are all sinners since the fall.

To shed the curses we have to first love,forgive,find faith then be reborn.

If God struch down all sinners then everyone would be dead. We live under his grace in a learning,growing and choosing process.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: noeltrotsky

You have to understand that His ultimate gift to you is Free Will.

Yes. You are free to do things god's way, or suffer his wrath. That's not free will, that's coercion.

The natural result of obeying God's way of thinking is a humble mind.

The natural result of rebelling against God's way of thinking is a prideful mind.

We suffer the wrath of our own natural results. Pride brings about conflict and wrath; humility brings about peace and love.

You have free will to choose blessings (humble mind) or curses (prideful mind).

God Bless,

a reply to: deadeyedick

I suppose I should thank him then. If God struck down all sinners you'd be talking to a smoldering pile of ash right now.

originally posted by: JessicaRabbitTx
a reply to: deadeyedick



Well we do agree on love being the most important thing. I just believe that I can love just fine without believing in any certain god.

That is exactly what my point is.

If in the end you are found with love and tolerance in your heart than you will not deny him when face to face. You will share the connection of love and that will guide you.

However if hate is found in you then that allows a connection to something else.

It is very simple but extremely hard to love those that you find fault with.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: deadeyedick



I suppose I should thank him then. If God struck down all sinners you'd be talking to a smoldering pile of ash right now.

Me too.

I never made the claim that i was better than anyone but that i see the path.

In a world full of sinners hypocrits are very important but easily rejected.