Why do you care what she/he puts in their body?!

a reply to: imnotanother

my wit was to point out the absurdity of your premise

lets beat it home

in a civilised society we drive on an agreed side of the road - because if everyone picked a side - the roads would be unusable

in a civilised society we vaccinate because PREVENTABLE deseieses can be eliminated or virtually eliminated

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

What if the increase in these issues, especially autism, is nothing more than older folks having children. Recently, it was discovered that not only do older eggs increase risks of version conditions, but sperm does as well. I'm out in Amish country and know a person with autism and nobody in their family has ever been vaccinated. There cannot be a causal relationship drawn there.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: imnotanother

i have used logic - its you that has not - linking :

personal diet - no it does not affect me and no one claims it does [ there is even an argument thare too ]

drug use - there is an argument here - but will skip it

vaccination

is so illogical - its actually a fallacy .

lets see if you have the honesty to admit it

How long is the vaccination history? How long is human history? When did you decide it is okay to mess with a system that already works? My sister caught the whooping cough from her 3rd dTap when she was 1 years old. She gets sick all the time, every year. That is something I observed about vaccines.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I think a lot of people vaccinate out of fear campaigns that are ran on the major media. How many people in your community with measles?

a reply to: imnotanother

I'm legitimately wondering where the sticking point in logic is in your case. What information do you believe needs to be available? Why do folks believe vaccinations are dangerous at all? I've done my research into the anti Vax movement, it just did not compute. I'd highly encourage you to check your basic premises, something here does not add up.

a reply to: hearows

Everyone mentions autism as if that is the only reason question putting other foreign elements in their body. I think you are right, that there are many other factors to autism.

a reply to: imnotanother

The only reason we don't have frequent measles is because the majority vaccinates. I live in the state with the highest population of unvaccinated in America. We shelter the Amish by vaccinating ourselves, and they are not in the public school system.

a reply to: imnotanother

And I got all the standard vaccines and I'm healthy as a horse and rarely if ever get sick? So what's your point?

We can all come up with anecdotal evidence. They do not actually prove anything.

a reply to: imnotanother

Unfortunately, the potential risk of the foreign substances, and my mother made the flu vaccine, I'm not unaware of how foreign they indeed are, is nowhere near as serious as the risks of propagating the disease and the anti vaccination is an utter failure of logic and bad science.

My mother was exposed to more properties of vaccines than anyone ever would be in the natural course of vaccination. The biological agent themselves are the major concerns when creating the vaccine. You protect yourself from the virus before it's attenuated, not from the vaccine itself.

It is safer than shampoo. It is safer than hard water. But the benefit can be the difference between life and death in cases.

originally posted by: strongfp
Yes because smallpox vaccine didn't work, right?

There will always be exceptions to people who cannot get vaccinations, there is always a small group who are outside the norm. But getting vaccinated reduces the chances of an outbreak and can save hundreds of thousands.
With your logic, why do people care if I pound back 6 rum and cokes and go drive?
With your logic why would my family or friends care if I shoot heroine ten times a day?
With your logic why would so many people complain about weight problems, heart disease, diabetes, and other on set diseases from eating junk food, then not listen to people who give them advice?

Sure people can make big people decisions, but a lot of people make really dumb ones and need a good kick in the butt, or education.

Hey, I don't care if you go drink and drive but there are laws for that, because it could harm others.
If you want to shoot up some H, then go ahead. I think you should have the right. If your ignorant self overdoses, it is not my problem. Your family would probably care, because they most likely love you and you know what, so do I. Put down the needle. That stuff is dangerous.
I don't care what people put in their bodies, that is the point of my bitching.

Who are you to kick someone in the butt or give them an education? WHO are you, random internet persona? My wife has a college loan bill coming in this week. I will expect your check in the mail since you are giving out educations.

a reply to: imnotanother

There is no correlation to be drawn there. More people got sick more often before vaccines than after.

a reply to: hearows

Then why are vaccinated individuals coming down with measles? Why are vaccinated people scared? If it works, then why worry. You are immune right? Or did you just have some random elements injected into your kid 27 times before they are 2 years old.

I ask myself thousands of questions a day. I make decisions based off of my life experience and observations.

NOT ATS
NOT the NEWS.

I get my wisdom in real life. not digitally.

a reply to: imnotanother

So because we disagree with your assumption that you can just not vaccinate and it's a vacuum, you think we're scared?

I'm not scared. I think you're making some colossal assumptions though.

a reply to: hearows

Not sure if that is true. I have seen much evidence showing that deaths have gone down but not cases. While many will claim that vaccines are to thank, I believe that natural immunity is to thank. Good ol' mother nature. See, people caught the disease before vaccines were made. They became immune. Vaccines come into society from drug companies. People pass down natural immunity to children. But they vaccinate their kids, leaving them without immunity. Causing a rise in cases like always.

I know, someone will come call me an idiot without logic. Head in the sand, anti-vaxxer. But I say, go worry about yourself. INject yourself with vaccines. I don't care. Don't blame me when your magic immunity doesn't work.

a reply to: imnotanother

This movement would severely impact my community. I worry for the Amish a lot right now, and my community helps to afford them the safety to follow the prescribed methodology of their faith. We vaccinate for those who cannot. It's not mandated but it's encouraged folks do right by others. They're an isolated community, however the Amish created measles outbreaks in the past by going to an amusement park with the disease so that's gonna skew the information out there. The historical outbreaks have largely been caused by those who couldn't vaccinate for religious reasons and allergies.

Leaving "well enough alone" is contrary to progress. It's dark age logic.


Liberty is held up by exercising one's personal freedoms only to the extent that they do not harm another.

originally posted by: ketsuko
What about that instance? If my son had gotten a disease like the measles because you decided you didn't want to vaccinate yourself and you gave it to him and he died, what then? You decision didn't only affect you. It affected him too and he died of it.

*sigh* This old, tired what-if scenario? Look up the numbers and do the math. Here in the United States and most other countries that have easy access to modern medicine, the chances of anyone of any age contracting and dying from something like measles is

a reply to: imnotanother

I believe the information you've gotten there was grossly incorrect. I'd highly recommend further research before you add fire to a potentially deadly misguided movement.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: imnotanother

So because we disagree with your assumption that you can just not vaccinate and it's a vacuum, you think we're scared?

I'm not scared. I think you're making some colossal assumptions though.

WTF are you even talking about? Feel free to disagree. About 97% of the population does. You are not scared? Then good for yourself. Either am I. I would be scared to give my kids 27 injections or random elements, in the first 24 months of their life....all based on the fear of diseases.

Shoot you and your kids up. Leave me to mine and STFU about it. (THAT IS WHAT THE OP SAYS BETWEEN THE LINES)

a reply to: SlapMonkey

The information skewing that statistic is vaccination. People don't die as often from measles in developed countries because the vaccine is available. A lot of the statistics out there claiming it's unlikely anything bad would happen to someone who didn't vaccinate is only because the majority does does vaccinate. Make no mistake of how deadly measles can be. Not to mention, should willfully unvaccinated people need medical treatment, the money has to come from somewhere. Even worse, if an outbreak would require containment procedure govt money could end up spent on a problem that could have been prevented.

a reply to: imnotanother

And I would except, your kids get sick and could infect my kids who aren't able to get vaccinated for one reason or another or who may be immune-compromised.

And let me clear, we find a way to safeguard against this, and you can take whatever chances you want. Right now, as it happens, I could care less because I have no one in my family who has any of the issues that would make your unvaccinated family a danger.

If you choice to not vaccinate truly did happen in a vacuum ... fine. I could care less. I do actually have some vaccines I choose not to get but there are quite a few I also do get for me and mine.