Why do you care what she/he puts in their body?!

There have been quite a few threads in the last few days where the main topic is about what we are putting into our bodies. Either as our food/energy source or our medicine. My question to everyone is the title of the thread, Why do you care what she/he puts in their body?

It is not your business. So stop judging. Worry about yourselves.

Why do you care if someone else does or does not eat meat? They are not you.
Why do you care if someone uses drugs? They are not you.
Why do you care if someone else does not get a vaccine? They are not you.*

It is not your business. Stop judging. Worry about yourselves.

Our society is quick to point the finger, to scream for justification, to beg for redemption....but never do we just worry about ourselves.


* - We have all heard the argument about vaccines and herd immunity in the other threads. And also, how certain groups of individuals are not always capable of taking the vaccine (newborns and autoimmune, etc). The argument has been heard and the point has clearly been made but in the end it stands the same, they are not you. Worry about yourself.

a reply to: imnotanother

Great post!


I agree with you....almost 100%....

The ONLY thing I could possibly begin to discuss though, is the idea that as meat eaters we have raised cattle and other animals for our dietary needs and wants. But, the amount of damage this factory-machinery approach to the raising of livestock is causing impacts everyone, to the best of my knowledge.

I'm curious as to your thoughts on that?

There has been at least baby who has come down with the measles who was too young to be vaccinated.

What about that instance? If my son had gotten a disease like the measles because you decided you didn't want to vaccinate yourself and you gave it to him and he died, what then? You decision didn't only affect you. It affected him too and he died of it.

Or what about the person who winds up on public assistance programs because he or she gets addicted to drugs? Then it's not just about what they put in their bodies affecting them. It takes up tax dollars that come out of my pocket. I am subsidizing your choices. You are now affecting everyone who pays taxes AND everyone who relies on those programs by having chosen to make yourself a dependent through your own agency. What then?

a reply to: nullafides

I agree with that, for the most part. The farmers in my area are mostly growing crops, which is used for feeding livestock, and it is usually planted at a loss. Relying on a government subsidy to make a profit. But I do know farmers that raise their own livestock for butchering their meat for personal consumption or milking. They treat their animals and land a little more natural than a "meat factory" does, IMO.

originally posted by: ketsuko
There has been at least baby who has come down with the measles who was too young to be vaccinated.

What about that instance? If my son had gotten a disease like the measles because you decided you didn't want to vaccinate yourself and you gave it to him and he died, what then? You decision didn't only affect you. It affected him too and he died of it.

Or what about the person who winds up on public assistance programs because he or she gets addicted to drugs? Then it's not just about what they put in their bodies affecting them. It takes up tax dollars that come out of my pocket. I am subsidizing your choices. You are now affecting everyone who pays taxes AND everyone who relies on those programs by having chosen to make yourself a dependent through your own agency. What then?

To answer your question about the baby and your son getting measles: How do you know it was an non-vaccinated person who gave you measles? There seems to be many of these cases that are vaccinated. But if my children had a disease, such as the measles, I would keep them home. Not at Disneyland.

To answer your question about drug addicts using government programs: I think with some research you will find there is a profit with the exact racket you describe, that stems with government oversight. But I am not going to take my time to prove that at the moment so take it at a conspiracy value. IMO, such programs should not exist. Tax payers should not have to pay for such things. But I also believe we shouldn't have to pay taxes.

That's like saying why do you care if everyone believes the American government's line on 9/11!

In most cases people care because they think wrongdoing has occurred and so the truth should be uncovered and people should be punished for the injustice they've caused - this goes both for the above example and the thread.

In fact I'd go as far to say that you're going against a major underpinning idea of ATS.

Which is primarily based on the ability to inform people, educate them and change thier opinion.

a reply to: imnotanother

The meat industry relies on consumption. The industry is unsustainable, as is my own immunity post vaccination if a virus mutates in another host. So, I care when it could potentially affect me or mine. The meat industry is pretty destructive, I don't care about small farm raised animals, but I'm not big on supporting massive industry farming.

a reply to: DodgyDawg

Quite different topics and pretty derailing of the current.

Asking why you care if I eat a bean burger or why I don't take aspirin when I have a headache is not the same as to questioning if the media is fake or not.

What would the major underpinning idea of ATS? I know the slogan is 'Deny Ignorance' but reading between the lines it is more like "Click on our ad."

(Note to Mods: I hope that doesn't violate T&C. ATS is more than free to use ads and I know and comply)

a reply to: imnotanother

why do you care which side of the road people drive on ? - they are not you .

the above proposition is only stated to show the irrationality of your own argument

a reply to: imnotanother

It was an unvaccinated person carrying the measles, presumably unaware, to a highly populated area. Generally folks are going to be capable of spreading the virus before they are aware they have it. And in a case where someone does have the measles, the person would likely go to the doctor's office, where there could be other unvaccinated people and the old or infirm, any member of the small population who can't be protected by the vaccine. I think that's why everyone cares, and I really hope it doesn't take personal tragedy for folks to do their homework on this one. It's too important.

a reply to: imnotanother

I don't think it's derailing as plain and simple my argument goes against the basis your argument as a whole.

I used the 9/11 reference as an example then applied to it my belief on why people care about things on ATS. As your title contains: "Why do you care" I think it applies perfectly and I was suggesting that people care about what people put in thier bodies as much as people care what people believe on 9/11 for the same reason.

Bare bones reason being that they think they are right and that other people should follow thier personal view.

I think that changing people's opinions is a fundamental element of ATS and why many have joined.

So imnotanother why do you care that other people "care what she/he puts in their body?!"?

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: imnotanother

why do you care which side of the road people drive on ? - they are not you .

the above proposition is only stated to show the irrationality of your own argument

Give me a break! I would care about which side because it would harm you.
How does a person eating a salad harm you?
How does a guy eating an edible in Colorado harm you?
How does a kid that is non-vaccinated harm you? (Don't say: By giving me a disease!! because the disease would harm you. Vaccinated people carry the disease but no immunity.)

Please use logic when replying. Part of what inspired my rant about people infringing on other individual's personal decisions, is exactly what you just did there. You replied with some dumb remark that does nothing for the conversation and is off topic. Some small minds will give you stars because of your 'wit' but in the end it was a worthless comment.

a reply to: DodgyDawg

I don't think I'm right. I know that there is more science to support the efficacy of vaccination then there is reason not to.

The anti vaccination movement was founded on a hoax. Bad, profit motivated science. The very same thing the anti vaccination movement claims to abhor. It is every bit as sinister to convince people to put their children at risk of preventable disease as any reason one could think of for all of mainstream medicine to be a hoax. It's delusional to believe every scientist touting the vaccine is somehow in on a cover up.

There is more anecdotal evidence out there though, about what it's like to contract measles. But not a single MMR vaccine related death. Not one that I'm aware of.

How does one conclude that the relative risks of getting and spreading a virus are less devastating than the vaccination itself?

Yes, this site looks to deny ignorance.

In the case of anti vaccination, it's an especially sinister case where bad information and a hoax is killing people and putting the rest of the population at risk. That's exactly the kind of deadly ignorance sites like this should seek to expose.

a reply to: ketsuko

Or what about the person who winds up on public assistance programs because he or she gets addicted to drugs?

I didn't assist anyone to get addicted to drugs.
Why should I be saddled with the job of keeping them off drugs?
It is a choice that they made all by themselves.

originally posted by: DodgyDawg
a reply to: imnotanother

I don't think it's derailing as plain and simple my argument goes against the basis your argument as a whole.

I used the 9/11 reference as an example then applied to it my belief on why people care about things on ATS. As your title contains: "Why do you care" I think it applies perfectly and I was suggesting that people care about what people put in thier bodies as much as people care what people believe on 9/11 for the same reason.

Bare bones reason being that they thing they are right and that other people should follow thier personal view.

I think that changing people's opinions is a fundamental element of ATS and why many have joined.

So imnotanother why do you care that other people "care what she/he puts in their body?!"?

To answer your question quickly:
I guess I care for what you said in your first post, "In most cases people care because they think wrongdoing has occurred and so the truth should be uncovered and people should be punished for the injustice they've caused .."

So, when you say that you are going to come on here and educate me (because I must be wrong) and want me to follow you ( not make my own decisions) and that is what, you believe, is the "fundamental element" of the website, that is when I must say that it is why I care.

Don't get me wrong, I know what you meant, you just didn't say it that well. Here I am, trying to get everyone to understand my perspective on the same situation that has been discussed in many other threads. But my point is in the OP. You may do whatever you want, just stop judging me for what I do. Worry about yourself.

And it was total derailment. All question in the OP are about how what someone puts in their body is not harmful to others so stop trying to control what others do. It has nothing to do with 9/11 or what side of the road to drive on.

This is plain falsehood. And the reason people care is indeed because it could harm the population by the disease mutating in unvaccinated hosts, or infecting those unable to be vaccinated.

It's the same logic.

a reply to: imnotanother

i have used logic - its you that has not - linking :

personal diet - no it does not affect me and no one claims it does [ there is even an argument thare too ]

drug use - there is an argument here - but will skip it

vaccination

is so illogical - its actually a fallacy .

lets see if you have the honesty to admit it

Yes because smallpox vaccine didn't work, right?

There will always be exceptions to people who cannot get vaccinations, there is always a small group who are outside the norm. But getting vaccinated reduces the chances of an outbreak and can save hundreds of thousands.
With your logic, why do people care if I pound back 6 rum and cokes and go drive?
With your logic why would my family or friends care if I shoot heroine ten times a day?
With your logic why would so many people complain about weight problems, heart disease, diabetes, and other on set diseases from eating junk food, then not listen to people who give them advice?

Sure people can make big people decisions, but a lot of people make really dumb ones and need a good kick in the butt, or education.

a reply to: imnotanother

* - We have all heard the argument about vaccines and herd immunity in the other threads. And also, how certain groups of individuals are not always capable of taking the vaccine (newborns and autoimmune, etc). The argument has been heard and the point has clearly been made but in the end it stands the same, they are not you.

Resorting to force is a universal signal that the ideas are weak. So pharma, ball's in your court to stay with coercion or open up the private studies and accept your liability. Address the corrupt revolving door between the FDA and Pharma. Address these things and treat people like humans instead of sub-humans that need extra ingredients at birth to be a vested human being.

a reply to: imnotanother

The problem with the measles is that you are contagious and highly so for a full 24 hours before you even know you are sick. So you can't possibly keep yourself at home while you're sick and think you have the answer. That doesn't cover the people you exposed in the time before you knew you were ill. There are plenty of viruses like that where you shed particles and can infect people both before and after you feel sick.

As for people who got shots and aren't protected, that's a failure rate in the 5 to 10% range.

Let me be clear, I am in no way advocating for forced vaccinations, but I am telling you that your decision to not vaccinate does no in any way happen in a perfect vacuum and can in fact have tragic consequences for people who aren't you.