Swamp Ape/ Bigfoot... Some compelling video taken in Jan 2015.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Thanks for the explanation. Seems that people in this thread who has experiences in the swamps have different opinions.

It is possible that they weren't deep in the swamp. It's all based on their say so. No evidence at all.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Now that makes way more sense. Thank you! I just googled and did a quick research. YES splashing DO attract alligators. When they hear the splashing they will think it might be injured animals.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: YUIL553

That has been covered many times in this thread. It is difficult and dangerous to walk through swamp, especially when you're in a suit all wet.

But it wasn't seen moving very far and we don't know the conditions there with certainty. How deep is that swamp right there? Have they placed any material there like stones, lumber, or logs?

Watch this video from that park. It appears to show a bigfoot bust in the swamp. @ 1:52 the reporter says "But Legand (the ranger in the vid) points out the swamp in this park is extremely shallow".

@ 1:57 Legand says "If something was in there you would see,,, see it. It would be probably, ankle deep."

That swamp is much deeper than ankle...call the preserve and ask. I believe last I checked it was up to 10 ft in some areas.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

The more I think about it the more I'm thinking this may be a hoax. The ray of sunlight could have been put there to make the ape a little more obscure so you can't quite see it as good as you should be able to.

When it shows the creature drinking water the movement of the arm looks a little "glitchy" if that makes sense. The outline of the creature looks a little blurry too, almost like it was added in after the video was shot. Also the splash of water he makes looks a little fake as well.

Maybe the guy who got the first shot was a little embarrassed by how easily his picture was seen as fake, and he said "next time I'll video it" like he somehow KNEW there would be a next time. He made this one anonymously and connected it to his earlier attempt to somehow clear his name. It also seems like the guy is trying to convince us too much that it's a man in a suit which is a bit suspicious as well.

I'm starting to think this is just a well done fake. The fact they didn't provide the footage of them canoeing to the spot where the creature was is a little suspicious too. There also seems to be a blurry spot to the top left of the creature that stays in place. Not sure if anyone else has noticed it but I did.

I'm thinking this may be a bit of practical effects plus some CGI overlayed on top of it.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

That swamp is much deeper than ankle...call the preserve and ask. I believe last I checked it was up to 10 ft in some areas.

In some areas. Who am I supposed to ask, the park ranger that said it?

All that matters is how deep it is right there, where it was. The depth of the swamp, lake, or river doesn't really matter. The vid is vague enough to obscure the actual depth right there and you can't tell if that area was altered to allow for better footing.

If anyone could get screenshots of the frames around the creature getting up you should be able to see the shadow of the creature's transition from sitting to standing doesn't look very natural.

It looks like at first the creature is facing away from us then when he hears a noise he swings his arm around too look behind him, then when he stands up it looks like the body position changes instantly to facing to the right of the screen.

The silhouette of the creature doesn't look natural either, it looks blurry around the edges. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm starting to see some things that don't really add up.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Vasa Croe

That swamp is much deeper than ankle...call the preserve and ask. I believe last I checked it was up to 10 ft in some areas.

In some areas. Who am I supposed to ask, the park ranger that said it?

All that matters is how deep it is right there, where it was. The depth of the swamp, lake, or river doesn't really matter. The vid is vague enough to obscure the actual depth right there and you can't tell if that area was altered to allow for better footing.

Call the park service and ask.....it's not like I knew the guys I emailed to ask questions. Asking is better than guessing. My thought is that if you took a screenshot of the area from the video and sent it to them via email and asked how deep this area was, they would know.

I have friends in the ranger service all over Mississippi that survey the swamps all the time and could name a place from a picture in a heartbeat, tell you the depth of the water, what wildlife is around the area, and other specifics. Most of them have trail cams they have to check on a regular basis as well....there are plenty of avenues to find out.

I have gotten done what I wanted to do....I can't make anyone else, but conjecture about an area is silly at best.

I could "say" all day long that the ocean is ankle depth and others could deny it all day long....unless I have been in the ocean to a depth deeper than ankle, in my mind I am correct.

Come on people....do a little research. I would bet a simple google of the swamp in question could give you an accurate idea as to the depths in areas.

I would say that this question is also going to depend on waterfall at the time. From the point of view of the video the animal is not near the edge of the water, and there is a pretty large tree it is next too.....these tend to have VERY large root systems and none can be seen. That alone, just from looking, tells me that it is at least 3-4 feet deep in that spot....probably deeper as it gets farther away from the tree and the roots fan out.

From the story I posted a few pages back, the videographer said it was about 4 feet deep where he was then when he padded to where it disappeared he stuck is paddle in and could not touch bottom....if you take this part of the story at face value then that would put it at least 7 feet or more outside the tree.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Call the park service and ask

I don't need to. I'm not the one claiming it's a certain depth there.

Asking is better than guessing.

You are the one guessing.

I could "say" all day long that the ocean is ankle depth and others could deny it all day long....unless I have been in the ocean to a depth deeper than ankle, in my mind I am correct.

Did you even watch the vid? The park ranger said it, not me. That part was in reference to the "swamps". It was in the context of showing that a bigfoot was not submerged up to its chest where that dude snapped his hoax pic.

And again, you are the one claiming it's a certain depth there. Averages of the entire complex don't translate to the depth at this one particular location.

ETA:

That alone, just from looking, tells me that it is at least 3-4 feet deep in that spot

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I don't think so.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Call the park service and ask

I don't need to. I'm not the one claiming it's a certain depth there.

Asking is better than guessing.

You are the one guessing.

I could "say" all day long that the ocean is ankle depth and others could deny it all day long....unless I have been in the ocean to a depth deeper than ankle, in my mind I am correct.

Did you even watch the vid? The park ranger said it, not me. That part was in reference to the "swamps". It was in the context of showing that a bigfoot was not submerged up to its chest where that dude snapped his hoax pic.

And again, you are the one claiming it's a certain depth there. Averages of the entire complex don't translate to the depth at this one particular location.

So you are talking about the other video, not the OP?

If that is the case, they are not in the same area of the swamp. If that is the case then, my apologies for the misunderstanding.

I can, speaking from experience, tell you that the tree from the OP is NOT in ankle depth water. Just google swamp trees Tampa and check out the root systems these things have....you can't see the roots in the video which tells me the water level is at least 3 feet right there. When these areas dry out they make a VERY cool sight because of the root systems and how intricate and large they are. This area is not dried out at all as you can't see any of the root system....only the main trunk of the tree.

Not to mention how hard it would be to paddle in ankle deep water......

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Is it just me or does it look like the creature changes from facing away from us to instantly walking to the right of the screen? Like there was no change in body position from him facing away and swinging his arm around to actually stepping in the water? That seems like the biggest tell to me. Maybe someone could explain how such a maneuver is possible?

I might just be looking at it the wrong way but it just doesn't look natural at all to me. I would think we'd see his legs swinging around instead of them magically switching to the correct position.

a reply to: Vasa Croe
The actual depth of the water there is ultimately irrelevant. The "knees", if there, could be used to support a simple walkway, no?

Criss Angel doesn't really walk on water. You're sharp, I think you know what I'm saying there.

ETA: I think I added the gif after you saw my previous post. Regardless of the actual depth, does it honestly look like it's walking in 3-4 foot deep water?

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Vasa Croe
The actual depth of the water there is ultimately irrelevant. The "knees", if there, could be used to support a simple walkway, no?

Criss Angel doesn't really walk on water. You're sharp, I think you know what I'm saying there.

ETA: I think I added the gif after you saw my previous post. Regardless of the actual depth, does it honestly look like it's walking in 3-4 foot deep water?

Hard to tell, but it appears he steps into about 2 feet then gets deeper as he moves away from the camera....getting about thigh deep at the last frame I can see it....appears to be just below the "butt".

Just got another email from the website:

XXXXX,
no word from Matt so far.

However, we do have an update related to the sighting. The park rangers and managers at the park are not talking. Perhaps they will speak with you "non-news" people.

Lettuce Lake Park Ranger: ‘We are not allowed to talk about the park’

cryptozoologynews.com...



Regards

From the link it appears the site called them and this was the park's response:

On a 3-minute call placed to the Lettuce Lake Park Thursday, a man claiming to be a park ranger told Cryptozoology News that it was not possible for them to talk about the matter.
“We have been instructed not to talk about the park during winter,” he said, after reportedly asking a manager. “No, we can not talk, you need to understand this,” he added.

Odd response I think..I wonder why they would not be able to talk about the park, and specifically during winter....what an odd statement.

This would seem to me more like the person who sent in the video may actually BE one of or working with the park service to "hype" the area up for tourism for some reason. I can't think of any reason they would not comment on this at all. Why wouldn't they just say it is a bunch of crap, even if just to throw everyone off the possibility that it is real. The statement they made seems really off to me.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

What do you think they would be hiding? Maybe they aren't willing to give a definitive statement on the issue until a little more is investigated. They would look a little foolish saying it's either real or fake and it turns out not to be one or the other.

Maybe this there way of saying "we don't have any new information". Kinda how police aren't allowed to speak of an ongoing investigation? Just a guess.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Vasa Croe

What do you think they would be hiding? Maybe they aren't willing to give a definitive statement on the issue until a little more is investigated. They would look a little foolish saying it's either real or fake and it turns out not to be one or the other.

Maybe this there way of saying "we don't have any new information". Kinda how police aren't allowed to speak of an ongoing investigation? Just a guess.

Yeah, but they specifically stated they could not talk about the park in winter according to the website....so in spring I could call and ask about it I guess? Just a really odd statement for a park ranger to make. Why can't you talk about it in winter?

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Maybe it has something to do with tourism? They don't want to say it is real in case people are scared to visit or they don't want to say it's real in case a bunch of random people start showing up doing stupid things to try and catch it and in turn endanger other wildlife?

As to why he specifically said winter, I have no idea.

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I don't think so.

Hold on, Do i see a Bag or something being thrown down in this clip. ?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

That's the water splashing.

Is there anyone who can stabilize the footage? I don't know how to. If that could be done we would get a much better picture of what this thing is I think.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Soloprotocol

That's the water splashing.

No it's not. Have a look..pause and restart from 1:41 just after the hand slap to 1:43..Whoever it is appears to drop something (on dry ground i might add) @ 1:43..... Then pick it up again @ 1:45 and take it with him as he walks away.