Swamp Ape/ Bigfoot... Some compelling video taken in Jan 2015.

originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Thank you for your efforts. In my opinion, this is a far more valuable approach than mere speculation about whether the video appears "authentic".

I feel the same. Research is what I like to do for fun and digging deep is the only way to find out what is true and what is not. I am hoping the guy that made the video will allow me to contact him, but I am not going to hold my breath.

Either way, I am still very intrigued by this video.

originally posted by: TXRabbit
do yourself a favor and watch it without sound and without pretext.
Skip through all the "backstory" text in the beginning and start when it shows the actual footage.
Does that change your perspective any? Also notice how the camera pans out towards the end.
Ask yourself this...if you were filming something so extraordinary, would you not be shaking like a leaf and zooming like a MF'er on it?

I've seen enough bull# UFO vids to recognize legit from not. This one falls (in MY opinion) as the later.

I don't think they thought it was anything more unusual than a bear at the time of filming.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Thank you for your efforts. In my opinion, this is a far more valuable approach than mere speculation about whether the video appears "authentic".

I feel the same. Research is what I like to do for fun and digging deep is the only way to find out what is true and what is not. I am hoping the guy that made the video will allow me to contact him, but I am not going to hold my breath.

Either way, I am still very intrigued by this video.

I think the best we can do in these cases is to test the mundane things that are verifiable. If this turns up something that proves that a claim made was false or highly suspect, that greatly lessens the likelihood that the sighting is genuine. On the other hand, if all the mundane things check out, the credibility score increases. Still, that's not absolute proof that the sighting was genuine, but it puts it in a smaller category.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

This part is really interesting

Another thing I found quite interesting was that the writing pattern and choice of words used by the witness also resembled those of the early January witness who had claimed to have taken a picture of another creature at the same exact place. cryptozoologynews.com...

From that link,

John Rodriguez, who sent the picture to Cryptozoology News on New Year’s Eve, said that he was “gar fishing” on a canoe in the Hillsborough River the day after Christmas when he noticed the alleged creature.

... As to why he didn’t take a video instead, the man explained that he is not sure whether the camera has that capability.
“I think it can, but I have never used that function for anything. It’s a fancy camera, but all I do is point and click it.”

... “I know there are a lot of videos and photos, but thought I’d throw mine on the pile,” he said. “I’ll get more familiar with the camera so I can take a video next time.”

That 'sighting' is the one referred to by "Matt M." in the intro to his vid.

Same guy? I certainly *think* so, at this moment.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Great find!

One thing i must point out in the article is that Matt does indicate that another person was with him in the canoe. Some in this thread were speculating that they could hear talking towards the end of the video, and that it may further diminish the video's credibility. Well if this article is to go by, the talking makes a lot more sense.

Since the purported creature was in the water, says the videographer, he couldn’t estimate its height, but he believes the animal was “definitely hefty” and that it “seemed to lumber along”.

“It moved through very thick swamp with ease. I think it noticed us at the end when it walked into deeper water and disappeared. We paddled up and didn’t see anything. No sign of it. The water where it disappeared went from about 4 feet deep to about 10. My paddle couldn’t reach bottom with my arm fully extended.”

cryptozoologynews.com...

EDIT:

I just noticed Vasa's further research in the form of emails to Cryptozoology news...

So now we do know that there was definitely another person with Matt...but i do find it odd how he wouldn't disclose his identity to the news team. I don't know...it's odd, but i guess it would make sense if he wanted to remain largely anonymous and not hassle his mate.

The footage looks compelling but the story and witness actions seem pretty shaky. We will see. What's the bet that Matt refuses to hand his contact information over? I reckon he won't do it.

a reply to: lambros56

To me, it looks like it's caught some type of animal in a trap. It seems to grab the thing out of it then gives it a couple of whacks....as it seems to me that something is struggling in its grip......then it just drags the victim off. The animal it has hold of doesn't look like a snake to me. It looks too big and bulky.

You cant really tell but it does look like a snake. And before he is spotted, when the camera is first is on him, it does look like he slaps whatever he has in his hand against something hard, or the water you can hear the noise once when the camera is first tuned on it. Then he starts drinking from that same area before the guy makes noise and is spotted, and the rest happens it looks like it slaps the water with it, like its angry being spoted, or it just hapens because of the way it got in the water whatever he had in hand slapped in the water as well.

So it could be a snake, and maybe he is just doing it for fun or doing it to knock whatever it is senseless some more, in that first scene, either way it may be he had it in his hand all along, but who know. If its a snake its not that big, I cant tell the vid is not that clear, but then again it depends on how big that thing is. For all we know its regular size and whatever it has is a regular garden snake in its hand, or it could be a bit bigger and its got a python in its hand. They have no shortage of pythons in Florida from what I heard, there overun with them, if that is a swamp, there is likely lots of them around.

Its all pretty hard to tell really. I mean if you could get the guy who filmed it to take you back. You could take some more footage to get a gist of how big that thing is. Really all you would have to do is go to the same spot the guy is filming from, then have another guy go to the area it is at, then take a stick or something, stick it into the water to see how deep it is, and how much you would sink into the mud steeping there, and then how far above the water it would stick out in comparison to a person.

Then have the other guy film it from his area and compare and contrast to the original vid, to get a better size and grasp of that area and get a better frame of the whole scene or how big the thing would be. Personally though I would not just jump in that if it was a swamp, there is still the chance that this whole thing could be staged. Never really know, but if it was a swamp, oh ya, who knows whats in there, even jumping in you would sink into the mud, to traverse that thing safely you would have to have some really big webbed like feet. Or else your spending lots of time pulling one leg out only to get it stuck again, if that really is a swamp and its really bad. It may take you 15 minutes to move as far as that skunk ape or bigfoot moved in a few seconds.

So ya without actual confirmation of this area and place. Its pretty much anybody's guess.

a reply to: Believe_nothing
Its getting in, kind of how post people would get into a pool. Basically squat down and with one hand on the side the shift your weight to the side and stick one leg in. Only in this case it was already squatted down, it just looks like it got up a bit to get leverage and did the above and whatever it had in its hand slapped the water as it was doing that and off course the splash of it entering the water.

It really does look like normal behavior of how an upright primate would get into a pool or water area it was not exactly sure of footing. I do it all the time in summer at the local lake, the water would be up to my knees but I dont just jump in because there are rocks or who know what else down there. In this case, well its anybody's guess whats in the area, but I am thinking snakes being the least of things. Not saying it could not be a guy in a monkey suit, but if it is. Then they probably staged the whole thing, staged and scoped the area and everything.

It would be extremely stupid to put on a monkey suit and head out to a swamp full of who knows what and get into the water like that, even without a suit and even if you done it before and are used to the swamp, its still not smart, much less if your a newby and trying to pull a hoax, that suit alone the feet would fill with water, and then you may as well have buckets on your feet as your trying to move around.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Believe_nothing
Its getting in, kind of how post people would get into a pool. Basically squat down and with one hand on the side the shift your weight to the side and stick one leg in. Only in this case it was already squatted down, it just looks like it got up a bit to get leverage and did the above and whatever it had in its hand slapped the water as it was doing that and off course the splash of it entering the water.

It really does look like normal behavior of how an upright primate would get into a pool or water area it was not exactly sure of footing. I do it all the time in summer at the local lake, the water would be up to my knees but I dont just jump in because there are rocks or who know what else down there. In this case, well its anybody's guess whats in the area, but I am thinking snakes being the least of things. Not saying it could not be a guy in a monkey suit, but if it is. Then they probably staged the whole thing, staged and scoped the area and everything.

It would be extremely stupid to put on a monkey suit and head out to a swamp full of who knows what and get into the water like that, even without a suit and even if you done it before and are used to the swamp, its still not smart, much less if your a newby and trying to pull a hoax, that suit alone the feet would fill with water, and then you may as well have buckets on your feet as your trying to move around.

Who says people are smart? People do high risk things on a pretty regular basis. You don't know what was under the water where that "creature" walked. It may be pretty solid. He may have been walking on a submerged fallen log. He may have been walking on a board put on top of the muck for that very purpose.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
There's also a Bigfoot in Brooklyn video floating about.

As one of the comments there said,

why does the video have the battery status, the word REC and a red dot , the lines on the screen and information like FPS etc. on the video - they appear on the lcd screen on the camera, NOT the actual video!

Obviously just a hoax.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
And the video person supposedly told and showed it to the park ranger. Where is the rangers testimony in this investigation? A person who could validate the time/day and place.

This story is sinking deeper into the swamp than their supposed bigfoot.

Not necessarily. If it was real, Most people would not take the time out of there day to go to some remote part of the swamp, and area which looks like is only accessible by canoe, all to see what was there. But yes this story can be easily verified to get a better grasp of the situation if the guy who took the video would just speak up or even take somebody else who was willing to go to the same area.

Your not going to find any hair samples or DNA evidence or droppings or even any dead animals or the flakes of there skin if that is a real swamp. Really even if it killed 20 snakes in the area and left them all there, they would all be gone come tomorrow without a trace of them or anything ever being there. A swamp is far from a tile and clean decked room to find anything or swab for DNA. But you could at least measure the area out and test the water depths or how much sinkage there is and get a good idea on just how big this thing is.

If its the size of a chimp or gorilla they you can assume it may be another animal which could have been dumped into the Florida swamp and adapted to it. Though I seriously doubt a chimp or even gorilla would be stupid enough to stay in a swamp even if they somehow adapted to it. And a guy in a suit actually doing that in a real swamp, good luck with that. I think in nature that is called an easy meal, home delivery to be exact.

But ya! Whoever took the vid just needs to come out and say what it was and were. I dont think they would put it on the news if some guy just came up and gave them a tape of there supposedly bigfoot sightings. But still, if its fake its pretty well done. And if its real, well you can at least get a better idea of the place and area.

My son was there on that river Saturday. He is a bigger sceptic than I. He stated someone would have to be insane to be in that water. He and his fishing buddy snapped pics of the gators that were all over the area that day. Not to mention moccasins. Kudos if it is a fake!

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
There's also a Bigfoot in Brooklyn video floating about.

Oh wow! Looks like the same CGI graphic....

Good find

a reply to: zazzafrazz
Cool vid but it looks and moves like some guy who is out there in the snow for whatever reason. Its kind of obvious.

Besides no animal who lives in the wild would be so lose in its movement during winter time, even bears if there out and about are way fattened up that they move even more like a truck then normal. It moves and squats like a regular guy would, one not accustomed to the area because it looks down a few times at were its steeping, like its unsure of were its going. Cant say this is a bigfoot video.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Just because someone mentions an earlier sighting doesn't mean they're the same person that made that sighting. You're looking for reasons to dismiss it as fake. First it was the camera was moving, now you've moved on to something else to call it fake. Maybe it is fake, but let's let things play out before we make any definite conclusions.

I, personally, see no reason to scream fake just yet. The creature looks real and un-human to me. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just a guy in a monkey suit, but he would have to be one brave idiot to go sloshing and walking through alligator and water moccasin infested water, that is of course if this video was shot where it's said to have been shot.

a reply to: Tangerine

Who says people are smart? People do high risk things on a pretty regular basis. You don't know what was under the water where that "creature" walked. It may be pretty solid. He may have been walking on a submerged fallen log. He may have been walking on a board put on top of the muck for that very purpose.

Only if its not a swamp. And if it is a swamp, then its not likely. If your saying the vid is fake. Ya it could be fakes as you do not know were its filmed, but look at the HD version of the film, somebody liked it. The area looks like a swamp, it could have been set up earlier, and you could even bring a big piece of board and dumped it there, but its not likely they would do it in a canoe. Really anything could be likely. But the fact is it would take more of an effort to fake a hoax vid in a real swamp then its worth.

In fact if the guy who took the vid would come up and say he could show you the exact spot again. None of us and most people would go or even have the time or inclination do to it. So really like all these vids it will all become a mute point, the fact is you could have colonies of these skunk apes and none of you would be privy to that. The average people life in a daze of daily life and ritual behavior. I would not be surprised of the entirety of the human race and all we have satellites and all would miss a species of ape which has lived all along us for thousands of years. Lets just say you people are not exactly all that perceptive.

But if you doubt that swamps are dangerous, even to dangerous to film a silly hoax, or just to just jump out of a canoe and go for a walk. What can I say, it would take a whole lot of skill to even jump out, and even then, most people would likely not be getting back in the canoe if the water was hip high. If you dont believe me, go out to the swamp and take a dive. See how fun it is.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Just because someone mentions an earlier sighting doesn't mean they're the same person that made that sighting.

I never said "Just because" he mentioned the 'sighting'. The guy from Cryptozoology News suggested the resemblance in writing.

[Edit- I posted some quotes that I found suspicious. You need not share my suspicion. / edit]

You're looking for reasons to dismiss it as fake. First it was the camera was moving, now you've moved on to something else to call it fake. Maybe it is fake, but let's let things play out before we make any definite conclusions.

That wasn't me. Get your facts straight.

The creature looks real and un-human to me.

Good for you. I would want a better view before making that call.

Maybe I'm wrong and it's just a guy in a monkey suit, but he would have to be one brave idiot to go sloshing and walking through alligator and water moccasin infested water, that is of course if this video was shot where it's said to have been shot.

You don't think brave idiots exist?

You can't see what 'it's' walking on either.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Tangerine

Who says people are smart? People do high risk things on a pretty regular basis. You don't know what was under the water where that "creature" walked. It may be pretty solid. He may have been walking on a submerged fallen log. He may have been walking on a board put on top of the muck for that very purpose.

Only if its not a swamp. And if it is a swamp, then its not likely. If your saying the vid is fake. Ya it could be fakes as you do not know were its filmed, but look at the HD version of the film, somebody liked it. The area looks like a swamp, it could have been set up earlier, and you could even bring a big piece of board and dumped it there, but its not likely they would do it in a canoe. Really anything could be likely. But the fact is it would take more of an effort to fake a hoax vid in a real swamp then its worth.

In fact if the guy who took the vid would come up and say he could show you the exact spot again. None of us and most people would go or even have the time or inclination do to it. So really like all these vids it will all become a mute point, the fact is you could have colonies of these skunk apes and none of you would be privy to that. The average people life in a daze of daily life and ritual behavior. I would not be surprised of the entirety of the human race and all we have satellites and all would miss a species of ape which has lived all along us for thousands of years. Lets just say you people are not exactly all that perceptive.

But if you doubt that swamps are dangerous, even to dangerous to film a silly hoax, or just to just jump out of a canoe and go for a walk. What can I say, it would take a whole lot of skill to even jump out, and even then, most people would likely not be getting back in the canoe if the water was hip high. If you dont believe me, go out to the swamp and take a dive. See how fun it is.

Let's say it is a swamp. What does that prove? Someone in a costume could tromp through the swamp just like a "skunk-ape" could tromp through a swamp. That "creature" did absolutely nothing a human in a costume couldn't have done. So swamps are dangerous? There are people who actually live in swamps. People hunt in swamps. The military sometimes trains people in swamps and they wade through them despite venomous snakes, alligators etc. That creature was in water for a matter of seconds after stepping off dry land.

I am not disputing that an undiscovered species could exist in that swamp. I am not disputing that a known species of ape could exist in that swamp. I am simply suggesting that there is nothing in that video to tip the weight more toward an unknown species or known ape than toward a person in a costume.

It would be interesting to know if there is a Missing 411 cluster in that area.

Man we're all lazy...it really would be easy to call up that park and try to talk to the ranger he supposedly showed the video to...

a reply to: Tangerine

Weird. I wasn't aware a watered down suit a human has draped over them would be so easy to move in. It would have to weight the person down easily over 100 pounds. Including the tension the water itself would be pulling on the legs and feet coming up. All that plus mud. Have you ever been in water with just swim trunks? It isn't easy to walk fast through water. Unless of course it's shallow enough to lift your leg enough to get 90% of it out. All that plus a bogged down furry suit. Even someone in extremely good shape would get winded, and have an impossible time.